Animal Stak OR Animal M-Stak?

[shrugman]

I have always taken Stak and have had great results. Now that Stak is discontinued, should I take Stak2 or MStak? Is one better than the other?

[Maximus]

I have always taken Stak and have had great results. Now that Stak is discontinued, should I take Stak2 or MStak? Is one better than the other?

I would go w/m stak for the better mass gains...

[phila82r]

I would go w/m stak for the better mass gains...

Why not Stack2 for the mass gains?

[gsb239]

How old are you? I believe the Mstak is much better for younger guys (under 21) and is much better for mass gains. I can vouch for that. Although, I haven't tried the Stak2 yet.

But if you've already used Stak then u might wanna stick with Stak2.

[Maximus]

Why not Stack2 for the mass gains?

Well just from my personal experience from both of them, the stak2 gave me really good pumps and I gained some strength from it and the m stak has always netted me 5 to 7lbs everytime I have taken it plus great strength gains

[MassManiac]

Think it really depends on your age and your current test levels. I used both... Stak2 (used about 3 months ago) didn't really help me very much at all. I'm guessing that's because my test levels are still naturally very high. However, I put on a good amount of weight (7-10lbs) on two cycles of m-stak last year. So, I mean, everyone's body is different... But I do believe m-stak is a better choice, especially if you still have naturally elevated test levels. Hope this helps bro.

[mikedfromaz]

what is the difference in the two? i tried out the m stak and had some awesome gains, dont know why but i thought i would give the stak 2 a try, is the stak 2 for old guys that cant produce as much testosterone, is there a real big difference? anyone/

[vik]

im 18 and i was wondering if m stack would still give me the great gains even though im young.

[MassManiac]

im 18 and i was wondering if m stack would still give me the great gains even though im young.

It's definitely different from person to person. But I would venture to say yes. M-stak is non-hormonal, so it should work regardless of age. It works by helping your body keep a positive nitrogen balance and by partitioning its nutrients better... basically, its helping you better utilize what you eat, especially protein. It is absolutely crucial that you eat and eat big while on m-stak (or any other supplement for that matter...). If your diet isn't in line then m-stak will not do too much for ya. Don't hesitate to up the protein when on m-stak either, it'll only help. Hope this helps bro.

[man in black]

Hey bro, try a search on here. This gets discussed every other day, there's all kinds of good reading on the subject.

Jeff

[Venom]

There is a difference between the two.... both the Stak 2 and M-stak are natural anabolics, but each works differently. Stak 2 is a natural test booster. It works with your body to help enhance key anabolic hormone levels. Animal M-Stak works by helping to increase protein synthesis and nutrition partioning. In short, Animal Stak 2 can help with performance and strength whereas Animal M-Stak can help with gaining lean mass and size. You can combine the two to get the best of both worlds.

[Giant Killer]

I will very soon be trying one or the other of these products--I was wondering from those who have tried both or had really good results from one, which one I should be taking?
they seem pretty similar but are there key points that one has the other doesn't etc...
I'm an endo/mesomorph and my goals are to increase muscle size (BIG GAINS) & maintain Animal strength in the gym

[Maximus]

Stick w/the M stak if you want strength and size gains...you'll prolly get 5-7lbs out of it
Stak 2 just gave me good pumps and increased strength when I took it, but I was only 22 when I took it

[Carl]

My goal is to lose weight and I wanted to know which I should take after my steriol runs out stak 2 or m stak or should I stay w/steriol or dont use any of them now? What should I take Im getting very confused with all this supp sh*t. Many thanks.
Ps
Or should I take pump?
As of now this is what I take
whey protn
a.pk
flex
cla
for now steriol
Thanks

[Enforcer25]

To lose weight you should try cuts, that is what I take along with stak2, pump, nitro, and the pak. I like stak2 because I'm 38 and it's a test booster. This link below is designing your own stak and explains combining differant animal products.

http://forum.animalpak.com/showthread.php?t=257&highlight=stak2

Here is another thread on m stak and stak2
http://forum.animalpak.com/showthread.php?t=1056&highlight=stak2

Hope this helps

[naturalguy]

Here's some more good info that should help you with your choice:

http://www.animalpak.com/html/article_details.cfm?ID=91&section=packs

[Alivewhenimdead]

looking to get stronger...but im having a hard time trying to figure out what exactly they each do...


right now taking ST/storm/pak---love em

[MassManiac]

There's a few threads on this already bro. Try the search function. However, it would definitely depend a lot on your age and your current test levels. In my opinion, M-stak is the better of the two for adding some quality mass. However, stak2 would be better for strength gains if your test levels were not at an optimum right now. Try searching and seeing what worked best for people of your age/ability.

[ragingmuscle]

Right on the money MassManiac. At 40 years old I lean more on the side of testosterone so my vote of course is with the Stak 2. Use it, love it! But for the guys that don't want to mess with the hormones then M-Stak is better.

[Alivewhenimdead]

alright im tracking now...im only 21 so my test is still peaking out...looks like m-stak is the way to go.

[widdlewade44]

Stick with M-Stak at 21 bro, but both products are awesome. Peace.

Kevin
widdlewade44

[DarkWolf1337]

Curious about the differences in Animal Stack2 and Animal M-Stack products. I noticed while the goal of both packs is similar. I notice quite a difference in the ingredients, and amounts of various things in it by comparing the nutrition facts info on the backs of both.

Basically the question is this b/c one is designed to be used in more of cutting cycle while the other is supposed to be used in more of a bulking cycle?
---if so which one should ideally be used for each of the different cycles?

Also is it safe to use both packs in the same cycle?

[ALPHAOMEGA]

When You Don't Want To Get Just Too Big,,,, Take The M-stack,,, It Has A Built In Stimuilant So You Won't Need Anything Else Like Animal Cuts..... When You Are Ready To Get A Little Bigger,,, Take The Stack2 With Animal Cuts,,,,,,, When You Want To Get Really Big An Blow Through To Another Level, Take Both The M-stack And The Stack2 Together...

Mad Scientist.....

Living One Can At A Time.......

[rocky36]

just got first can of M-stack today i plan on starting tomorow and from what i hear about it im sure i will be gain mass and strength .. i cant wait

[hugeintentions]

im 22 5'6 180lbs...looking for big gains..got my diet on track for this..just wondering bout the supps now..currently taking animal pak, nitro, pump, flex...thinking bout m stack and stak 2 been reading the facts and wondering..thinking bout both just wondering bout the times to take it..i know the stak2 says 30-45 min prior and the m stack says 3-4 hours away from the stak 2 meaning before or after...?? also should i cut out the pump or stay with it with these cycles...?? any help would be appreciated brothers...

[HAWK]

Guys have already said it on here...It isn't "when you want to not get too big you take m-stak" No. M-Stak isn't a hormonal supp, like Stak 2. Test levels will be pushed up with Stak-2, making it a legitimate option for older lifters. At a young age (pre-25)...M-Stak is the viable option.

[alycat]

im 27...using cuts, pump, and pak to trim down bodyfat and maintain muscle mass, eating clean with 3 - 4 protein shakes/mrps per day..

5'10" - 171 lbs 12%bf....would like to be around 175 at 8% bf.

But first im trying to cut down for my engagement in 3 weeks.
Would mstak or stak2 be beneficial now with cuts, in helping me put some lean muscle on without any extra bodyfat?

which one would be better for me? wedding is in 4 months...so i have time for that....im also looking at the joint pack as i underwent a couple knee surgeries and subsequent muscle loss in my legs over the last 2 yrs.

[builtforbattle]

sup boys...just finished up a cycle of the m-stak with the cuts and at first i put a lot of weight on and then the cuts started to really kick in and i had a hard time maintaining my weight. However-I lost a lot of fat and turned it into muscle. I weighed in as high as 194 with a b/f of 10.43 now I am 186 with a b/f of 9.01. I would like to weigh in around 190-193 with a b/f of around 8%. I am on my off-week now and would like to strictly gain weight and put on muscle so I am thinking of using the Pak with Stak 2. Is this the right idea? Thanks boys.

[Cheko]

I am a "40 +" lifter and I love Stak 2. I am on N1-T now and going back to cycling Stak2!

[Roland]

If this is non-hormonal then it will not come up on drug tests or anything like that correct? Sorry, i'm just kinda confused but I really wanna try this M-stak.

[alycat]

how long to see lean mass gains with mstak or stak2 with optimal conditions
?

[Toni69]

what do you all (and when I say all, I mean those that tried both in the same stack)...suggest as far as taking stak 2 and M-stak..timing-wise?

[Big Pete]

I've been on Stack-2 and M-Stak cycle for two cycles now...My best experience is Stack-2 sometime in the morning...M-Stak 45 minutes before workout...for me...Stack-2 in the morning sometime between Meal#2 and #3...

Meal Plan = 6 whole food meals a day / 2-3 shake meals (depending on workout days)

Shake at 5:45Am
Meal #1 - out the door - on the ride to work around 7AM
Meal #2 - at work around 9:30AM
Hit Stak-2 about 10:30-11AM...semi-empty stomach
Meal #3 - at work around 12-12:30PM

[alycat]

what results do you guys get on that stak?

more muscle, less fat, both?

i am trying to lose about 5lbs of fat, and gain 10 lbs muscle before middle september. will these products help, when combined with clean diet etc?

i am using cuts right now...and am 170lbs 12% bf. 5'10". dont want to bulk too much as my wedding suit is a size 40.

[Joker-Roo]

When on both, Is there any benifit to taking one or the other pre-workout?

Stak2 before and then M-Stak 4 hours later.

Or vice versa

[TheDominator]

Go with both haha, I stacked them on top of each other, stak-2 30 minutes before I worked out, then m-stak 4 hours later or before, depending on what time you lift, and I gained a lot of muscle weight and I have not went to another stack since then. i'm telling you, I love both of them stacked together, best of both worlds

[Lowdown5]

Go with both haha, I stacked them on top of each other, stak-2 30 minutes before I worked out, then m-stak 4 hours later or before, depending on what time you lift, and I gained a lot of muscle weight and I have not went to another stack since then. i'm telling you, I love both of them stacked together, best of both worlds


Agree 100%

[XPLiCiTiX]

exactly how many mg of ecdysterone is in m-stak?.. and where is it derived from? i'm hoping a rep can answer that for me, thanks.

[Ricky P]

I have always taken Stak and have had great results. Now that Stak is discontinued, should I take Stak2 or MStak? Is one better than the other?

I've always had great results with Stak2, usually better gains with Stak2 than with M-Stak.

[Joker-Roo]

I've always had great results with Stak2, usually better gains with Stak2 than with M-Stak.

You even take it when your only 23 years young? You have low levels of test?



Andru

[RatedRSuperStar]

I'm taking Mstak in the morining before my workout, because I figure I'm basically taking in protein for the rest of the day and stak 2 around 5pm cuz "test" levels are higher at night.

What particular feeling am I supposed to feel with Mstak? I've been on it for a week and a half, and Stak2 for a month and a half. I felt the stak2 immediately after a week. Can someone who has been on Mstak for a long time tell me what I'm supposed to feel, if there is any particular feeling that comes with M?

[ssnodgra]

I have had excellent results results stacking the two. Stack 2 in the morning before hitting the weight and M Stack in the afternoon. Kicks butt....

[cviewmike851]

I loved Stak 2. great strength gains and excellent energy/pump. I wasn't so satisfied with M Stak though I was always tired and my gains were minimal. Went back to Stak 2 and had awesome results again I am sticking with Stak 2 for as long as Im able to lift

[Phoop]

Listen man different supps work differently for different people. Some may say that m-stak works better. Some guys say that stak 2 works better. It all depends on what you are looking for. Right now im taking, animal pak in the morning, stak 2 45min before training, Animal pump 30min/and Universal Nutrition's storm, and shock therapy while im working out. At night before bedtime im taking GH Max. I'll be completely honest, I've tried a lot of different supplement combinations, and this stack is by far the best results I have had in probably 3 years of hardcore lifting. The biggest thing you have to remember is that if you want to get big, you gotta eat big, and eat clean. I have gone from 172 lbs to 190 lbs in about 3 months, which to me is phenominal. That is my suggestion for you, I recommend stak 2, over M-stak any day. Try it out, it may work for you if you have trouble gaining weight like I do.

Peace

[TJefferson]

With me being in the Air Force, is Stak 2 safe as far as drug/urine testing goes?

[simpleguy]

With me being in the Air Force, is Stak 2 safe as far as drug/urine testing goes?

it should be ok, but you should make sure... ask someone there about the ingredients in it

[PECK88]

hey evreyone i was woundering with should i take post work out. stak 2 or mstak?

i plan on doing animal pak with breakfest, then mstak with lunch. then stak2 post workout. or should i take the 2 the other way around

[adidamps2]

it wont matter in the end.

[violator]

The stak2/mstak r pre workout supps brother -stak2 for strength/ mstak for mass&size....take em 45mins pre on training days & 30mins before lunch on off days....if ur looking for a post supp, check out nitro/nitroG, or a creatine like storm or torrent....
Of course, im assuming ur eating like ahorse 6 times a day??? cause if u arent, then they wont do shit, remember, food first mothafucker...

peace

[Wasteland]

In the scenario you describe, probably M-Stak pre and Stak 2 after. Not sure when you're training, and this may affect the overall timing.

For more info on M-Stak & Stak 2:

Difference between the two: http://forum.animalpak.com/showthread.php?t=6830

Thread: http://forum.animalpak.com/showthread.php?t=1056

[theharjmann]

I'm 20.

Animal Pak and a day's serving of Tribulus Terrestris in the morning with breakfast. M-Stak 45 mins before workout. Pure CEE 30 mins before workout on it's own. Eating loads of anabolic fats (minced beef/pork) every day with lots of whey shakes. Loads of brown rice, some wholemeal bread and the odd chicken breast. I have blown the fuck up!

I saw some workout buddies after 6 weeks of doing this, and they honestly thought i was on something stronger!

Buy M-Stak, Animal Pak and Tribulus....they are hardcore to the bone.....grow like an animal.

Peace
Keep Training

[alycat]

28 yrs old. stak 2 or mstak.

[naturalguy]

I'm taking Mstak in the morining before my workout, because I figure I'm basically taking in protein for the rest of the day and stak 2 around 5pm cuz "test" levels are higher at night.

What particular feeling am I supposed to feel with Mstak? I've been on it for a week and a half, and Stak2 for a month and a half. I felt the stak2 immediately after a week. Can someone who has been on Mstak for a long time tell me what I'm supposed to feel, if there is any particular feeling that comes with M?

You don't really "feel" anything with M-stak. It works in the background promoting protein synthesis, nutrient partitioning and recovery.

One thing that you will feel is improved recovery, less soreness. Personally I feel improved focus on it as well.

[simpleguy]

You don't really "feel" anything with M-stak. It works in the background promoting protein synthesis, nutrient partitioning and recovery.
One thing that you will feel is improved recovery, less soreness. Personally I feel improved focus on it as well.

agreed. you really shouldn't feel anything except enhanced recovery and maybe a bit of strength gains... and focus if you take the red pill, which has stims

[OSUrookie]

i think from the info here i'm gonna go w/ mstak. tried stack2 before and didnt get much from it....probably too young

[Sambocephus]

dude, definately go with m stak.

im 17 and have a hard time gaining mass, ive gone from 195 to 215 in one cycle, and all my lifts awent up at LEAST 10 pounds a week. i was shoveling it in though, eating as much as i could whenever i could. ive actually gone down in my bf percentages too.

m stak all the way for young guns.

[Littlefry]

iam 20 and run 2 cycles of m-stak both cycles netted me about 5 pound sof muscle each, but this next cycle coming up iam gonna give stak2 a try to keep my body guessing, just like working out and changing routines every 2 months to keep my body guessing and working different muscle systems, you have to keep mix up your supps every once and a while cause what might work for someone else wont always work for you

[Aaron_Cole]

dude, definately go with m stak.

im 17 and have a hard time gaining mass, ive gone from 195 to 215 in one cycle, and all my lifts awent up at LEAST 10 pounds a week. i was shoveling it in though, eating as much as i could whenever i could. ive actually gone down in my bf percentages too.

m stak all the way for young guns.

I didn't think m stak was as "safe" per se for under 18 because of the process of still undergoing hormone changes (even though m stak doesn't affect hormone levels)

Was just gonna wait for 18, not too long away


**I saw another product called MethoxyPro by cytodyne, it didn't have an under 18 warning, but it did have the 5-Methyl-7-Methoxyisoflavone and 20-hydroxyecdysone..just not as high does as the mstak (and i dont think m stak has the 20-hydroxyecdysone)... so that's why I was wondering what m stak had that would be not as effecient for under 18's (although ill agree immediately that m stak is probably 100000xs better..anyone know anything about it?**

[pmug0000]

Sup fellas, this is my first post so take it easy on me. First I want to say that I have tried a number of products from various brands, and NOTHING compares to Animal products. My current stack is M-Stak, Pump, Nitro, and Pak. I am on my third cycle of M-Stak, and I still notice improvements in strength and muscular endurance every time I go to the gym. My results with M-Stak have been so impressive I'm going to go through with 5-6 cycles, and it's going to be a sad day when I need to take a break.
I was wondering tho, once I do take some time off M-Stak (as I've seen recommended after up to 6 months of proper use), should I do a cycle or 2 of Stak2? I've seen that younger lifters should not take Stak2, and I'm 20 years old. Would it be totally unrecommended for me to give Stak2 a try at some point? Has anyone 20 years or under seen results for Stak2.

Sorry if this post is in the wrong thread - but to make it fit in a little better: M-Stak is THE SHIT. Seriously, I have had, and am still having, great results with it.



If this is posted in the wrong thread, where should I have posted it?

[Littlefry]

Iam picking up some stak2 this weekend and iam going to run a cycle of it and iam 20 years old. Ive done 2 cycles of m-stak and was very pleased with the results that it yeilded, but for a little change iam going to go with stak2 this cycle, you can check out my progress in ym journey and ill let you know how i react to it

[pmug0000]

Iam picking up some stak2 this weekend and iam going to run a cycle of it and iam 20 years old. Ive done 2 cycles of m-stak and was very pleased with the results that it yeilded, but for a little change iam going to go with stak2 this cycle, you can check out my progress in ym journey and ill let you know how i react to it

Good luck bro, I'm curious to see how it works for you. Are you keeping the rest of your stack the same, or are you making any other changes?

I just noticed you didn't include any form of creatine in your bulking stack. If ur not taking any, I recommend PUMP. I've tried a number of products from straight mono to NO X-plode (haven't tried shock therapy yet). PUMP is the winner hands down.

[Aaron_Cole]

If you like pump, then you'll LOVE shock therapy..especially when mixed with storm

[simpleguy]

If you like pump, then you'll LOVE shock therapy..especially when mixed with storm

haha that's my opinion too, but different stuff works for different people, so others may preffer pump

[Littlefry]

pmug i do use creatine i just like to cycle it every four weeks or so, this stack ill add some in though to gain those extra needed pounds and some extra strenght

[alycat]

been a while since ive been on here. getting ready for a new stak...wanna stay lean as much as possible while gaining strength and some size...

looking at mstak or stak 2...with nitro/pak/syntha 6/yet to determine creatine product

for 28yr old...stak2 or mstak. would they work effectively if i cycled cuts on and off or wasting my time

[Islander1]

I've been reading through the posts on this question and I don't think anyone can really answer the question for everyone. I'm taking animal pak and mstak and loving the results! I haven't tried stak2 yet but at 45 yo everyone is saying the stak2 should be better. Everyone has to try the stacks for themselves and decide what works for them. Next cycle will be animal paks and stak2, maybe it will change my mind. Third cycle will be animal paks, stak2 and mstak!! Peace,

[krazyassmexican]

I've been reading through the posts on this question and I don't think anyone can really answer the question for everyone. I'm taking animal pak and mstak and loving the results! I haven't tried stak2 yet but at 45 yo everyone is saying the stak2 should be better. Everyone has to try the stacks for themselves and decide what works for them. Next cycle will be animal paks and stak2, maybe it will change my mind. Third cycle will be animal paks, stak2 and mstak!! Peace,

i am sure by the time you get to your animal stak m stak and pak cycle
you'll be a stronger and bigger guy

also dont forget to eat like a horse and train like an ANIMAL!

[Mississippi Rifleman]

I'm considering taking one of these, but I can't figure out which one is right for me. I'm overweight and I gain muscle mass easily, but I also gain body fat easily. I want to get my muscle mass back since I've had to lay out of the gym for about 2 years. Which one would be the best for me?

[krazyassmexican]

I'm considering taking one of these, but I can't figure out which one is right for me. I'm overweight and I gain muscle mass easily, but I also gain body fat easily. I want to get my muscle mass back since I've had to lay out of the gym for about 2 years. Which one would be the best for me?

how old are you?

a good diet and m stak may do the job if you are over 18 but under 21

otherwise
a good diet and stak or why not stak and m stak together

[Mississippi Rifleman]

I'm 32. I thought they were very close to the same thing?

[krazyassmexican]

I'm 32. I thought they were very close to the same thing?

stak is hormonal and is a test booster
m stak is not

[pmug0000]

I've never taken Stak, but I know that with M-Stak my appetite goes way up and I need to eat a shitload of food. If you are trying to stay lean and you gain fat very easily, you might want to go with Stak.

[krazyassmexican]

I've never taken Stak, but I know that with M-Stak my appetite goes way up and I need to eat a shitload of food. If you are trying to stay lean and you gain fat very easily, you might want to go with Stak.

m stak wouldnt hurt him
most of the gains he will do with m stak, hard trainin and a good diet
will be a mix of muscular gains and probably water

that's m stak's job

[Mississippi Rifleman]

Yea, I was wondering about M-Stak. It seems like its for people that have a hard time gain mass due to them not being able to eat enough or have the food used for muscle fuel. I don't have that problem. I gain muscle easy so maybe I should just stick with a Pak/Stak 2/Uni-Liver stack with caffeine and green tea.

[krazyassmexican]

Yea, I was wondering about M-Stak. It seems like its for people that have a hard time gain mass due to them not being able to eat enough or have the food used for muscle fuel. I don't have that problem. I gain muscle easy so maybe I should just stick with a Pak/Stak 2/Uni-Liver stack with caffeine and green tea.

m stak is for people that eats like horses and dont put a pound on their body

i dont understand you
fi you get fat easy and then you put muscle easy

that is call bulking bro
if you dont have problems puttin on muscle
why supplement?

[dyskee]

i recommend stack since ur 32 and since stak will raise ur free test u'll be able to lose some bf but add cuts to the mix too

[Mississippi Rifleman]

m stak is for people that eats like horses and dont put a pound on their body

i dont understand you
fi you get fat easy and then you put muscle easy

that is call bulking bro
if you dont have problems puttin on muscle
why supplement?

I don't think I need THIS supplement. I don't think the rest are wasteful.

[J-Dawg]

I'm considering taking one of these, but I can't figure out which one is right for me. I'm overweight and I gain muscle mass easily, but I also gain body fat easily. I want to get my muscle mass back since I've had to lay out of the gym for about 2 years. Which one would be the best for me?

Hey bro, We designed both the Stak and M-Stak to be natural anabolics, but each works differently. Stak is a natural hormone booster and it works with your body to help enhance key anabolic hormone levels, including testosterone.

Animal M-Stak, on the other hand, works to promote anabolism by increasing protein synthesis, nutrient portioning, nitrogen retention, all the while reducing muscle catabolism.

In short, Animal Stak can help with performance and strength whereas Animal M-Stak can help with gaining lean mass and size.

[pmug0000]

m stak is for people that eats like horses and dont put a pound on their body

i dont understand you
fi you get fat easy and then you put muscle easy

that is call bulking bro
if you dont have problems puttin on muscle
why supplement?

That's a good point right there. If you don't need supplements to help bulking, save your money for food, or for some other products like Nitro, Pump, ST, etc. I think these would probably be more useful for you. What else are you taking now?

[Mississippi Rifleman]

Animal Pak - Multi-V
Animal Stak - Test booster (i think I need this now)
Animal Uni-Liver
Green Tea and Caffeine for fat burning
MAN Vaporize
CEE (I will supplement this next month)
ALCAR
Protein
Na-ALA
Glutamine

[krazyassmexican]

Animal Pak - Multi-V
Animal Stak - Test booster (i think I need this now)
Animal Uni-Liver
Green Tea and Caffeine for fat burning - i strongly recommend you to get some animal cuts or some universal zero G
MAN Vaporize - i dont know what this is
CEE (I will supplement this next month) - dont know what is this either
ALCAR - and this
Protein
Na-ALA and this
Glutamine


is your diet on check?

[Mississippi Rifleman]

Its getting better. I'm trying to clean it up as best as I can. I've been eating horribly for a year now, but I'm getting it cleaner and cleaner every week.

[krazyassmexican]

Its getting better. I'm trying to clean it up as best as I can. I've been eating horribly for a year now, but I'm getting it cleaner and cleaner every week.

not to be rude
but i suggest you clean your diet before you buy all those supps or you'll go no where

[Mississippi Rifleman]

No, I don't think that is rude at all. I agree. Its pretty damn clean now, but I think it could be better. I wanted the supplements to help get me back on track to where I was.

[pmug0000]

I would recommend that you add a pre-workout creatine product to your stack, i.e. Shock Therapy or Pump.
It goes without saying to get the diet right - this always comes first.

[krazyassmexican]

No, I don't think that is rude at all. I agree. Its pretty damn clean now, but I think it could be better. I wanted the supplements to help get me back on track to where I was.

remember bro
supplements are just that
supplements diet and trainin will get your goal

[SpartanWarrior]

stak is hormonal and is a test booster
m stak is notOk but i am planning on buying Pump and M-Stak but i am stuck on which test booster to get, either Animal Test or Animal Stak, and i don't want to stack them together.

[krazyassmexican]

Ok but i am planning on buying Pump and M-Stak but i am stuck on which test booster to get, either Animal Test or Animal Stak, and i don't want to stack them together.

if it is because of $$ then yeah i get it
but there's no dangers of stackin them together
as a matter of fact you can stak the animal products very well

rite now i am stackin
test
stak
pump
and beta alanine

[rcrott1]

Ok but i am planning on buying Pump and M-Stak but i am stuck on which test booster to get, either Animal Test or Animal Stak, and i don't want to stack them together.

im sorry, but have you not read all the training logs that have test and stak together?? they are seeing phenominal results from that combination..

[MonTanaMusCle]

Hey bro, We designed both the Stak and M-Stak to be natural anabolics, but each works differently. Stak is a natural hormone booster and it works with your body to help enhance key anabolic hormone levels, including testosterone.

Animal M-Stak, on the other hand, works to promote anabolism by increasing protein synthesis, nutrient portioning, nitrogen retention, all the while reducing muscle catabolism.

In short, Animal Stak can help with performance and strength whereas Animal M-Stak can help with gaining lean mass and size.

J-Dawg says it right here, stack = strength. M-stak = lean mass and size. I personally havnt tried stak, because I havn't had to m-stak if some good shit. if you cant decide try a cycle with one then try the other.

[TJefferson]

I got done with a cycle of Stak2/cuts. It was great. I feel loads stronger with stak2. Now, I'm almost done with my current stak of stak2 and pump. I really can't tell the difference between the 2 staks.

Anyways, I feel stronger, but the size still is coming along as I would like. I just ordered stak2 and m stak. I've heard this combo will add some size. Has anyone else had a good experience from the stak?


Just a little background info.

6'0, 180lbs.
200 g of protein a day, gallon of water a day
6 meals a day, complex carbs, meat, and tons of veggies.

I bench 285lbs, squat 315 (just recently been hitting legs hard so not too strong yet)

[walkintobattle]

I Took M-Stak today for the first time. I have to say that i felt amazing through my entire workout and very focused on what i was doing. i didn't want to stop.

[King]

hey brothers i read somewhere on the forum that stak was discontinued and replaced with stak 2. i just ordered stak 2 on fitnessone.com and got stak instead. i wonder how this could be? is there really any difference between the two? why was stak replaced with stak 2? if any brothers have answers let me know

[hjayss]

hey brothers i read somewhere on the forum that stak was discontinued and replaced with stak 2. i just ordered stak 2 on fitnessone.com and got stak instead. i wonder how this could be? is there really any difference between the two? why was stak replaced with stak 2? if any brothers have answers let me know

Stak was discontinued..If you have stak...ssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhh.....dont tell nobody you got some bomb as animal stuff there...people would literally kill ot have ...lol...do a search on ebay people are paying above price for it..

[Nightshift]

If I'm not mistaken, wasn't stack 2 renamed to just Animal Stack?

[hjayss]

If I'm not mistaken, wasn't stack 2 renamed to just Animal Stack?

No stack was first it was banned....stak is some bad ass stuff....my budy used it and I saw his results...

[Nightshift]

No stack was first it was banned....stak is some bad ass stuff....my budy used it and I saw his results...


I know they had Stack originally, but if you check the Packs section, they have changed Stack 2 to just Stack now.

[hjayss]

I know they had Stack originally, but if you check the Packs section, they have changed Stack 2 to just Stack now.

awwwww really...well that makes sense....doh'

[Devoted 2 Iron]

Yo I have already tried both the m stak and the stak two at the age of 18 and can honestly say that the stak worked a lot better for me. I have gained about six pounds off it and i still have a week left on the cycle. WHen I gave the M stak a go, my gains were non-existent. I dont know what happened cause I was and always do pound food, protein and carbs especially. Peace.

[FGCUCody]

I have always taken Stak and have had great results. Now that Stak is discontinued, should I take Stak2 or MStak? Is one better than the other?

I am just finishing a can of M-Stak... Stuff is awesome, I have gained 7 or 8 lean pounds in 20 days so far, today will be my last day. All I can say is MSTAK kicks ass.

[Pookie_B]

Hey bro's.. not sure if this has been asked before, but how do M-Stak n Stak compare for the ladies?
I'm 26yrs, 5ft2, 140lbs. I train HARD (for a girly at least! lol), 3 days on - one day off, and i eat 1.5 to 3 hrly, high protein, med carbs, low fats.. but i must admit i probably am not getting my optimal amount of protein due to just getting used to eating so often... im working up to it, and eating as much as i can, but i'm probably not quite hitting my optimal levels yet, but probably not too far away.
Anyhow, my goals are to pack on as much LEAN muscle mass as humanly possible, whilst ensuring NO extra BF goes on (preferably drop BF, but thats secondary to gaining lean muscle mass, as long as i dont GAIN any fat.)
The MStak seems to be the best thing for actual mass gains, but i hear it's really important you eat like crazy on it, so im wondering if this may not be the best option for me b/c my eating habits are not humungous yet!
With the Stak/Stak2 i understand it acts hormonally, by enhancing testosterone... i'm wondering whether this would be more beneficial as my testosterone levels are likely to be lower than an over 35s male, who this product is repped to be great for.
I just dont know which i will see best lean gains from ~ i'm determined to get to medium / heavyweight FBB standards, but as a natural fem i need all the help i can get.
I've already ordered for my new stack:
Shock Therapy
Storm
Torrent
And of course i take Whey and Casein Proteins, Multi Vit&Min, Fish Oil, Vit C, B Complex.

Which should i try 1st?.. M-Stak or Stak ?

Thanks brotherz.

[nightrain]

I have been using M stack for the last week for the first time. I am stacking it with pump and the focus during workouts is awsome! I take M stack first thing in the morning when I wake up and have my shake. I am usually hitting the iron about 2 hours later and I take pump about 30 to 40 min. prior to weights. Thus far my strength has increased and the pump lasts all day after the workout. M stack has ecdysterone in it. I did some reading on this and ecdysterone works great when on a high protien diet and after reading several studies worked even better when combined with a high protien diet and creatine as well. Just with what I have experienced so far I would go with the M stack for mass. I am 33 years old and seeing some really good gains. I am taking in about 4000 calories a day, broke down to 420 grams protien, 160 grams of carbs, and 85 grams of fat spread out over 6 to 7 meals. I have seen mass increases in my chest, shoulders, and biceps already. My suggestion, use M Stack and pump, eat a ton, and hit it hard in the gym and you won't go wrong. Hope this is helpful to everyone.

Later

[theharjmann]

I have been using M stack for the last week for the first time. I am stacking it with pump and the focus during workouts is awsome! I take M stack first thing in the morning when I wake up and have my shake. I am usually hitting the iron about 2 hours later and I take pump about 30 to 40 min. prior to weights. Thus far my strength has increased and the pump lasts all day after the workout. M stack has ecdysterone in it. I did some reading on this and ecdysterone works great when on a high protien diet and after reading several studies worked even better when combined with a high protien diet and creatine as well. Just with what I have experienced so far I would go with the M stack for mass. I am 33 years old and seeing some really good gains. I am taking in about 4000 calories a day, broke down to 420 grams protien, 160 grams of carbs, and 85 grams of fat spread out over 6 to 7 meals. I have seen mass increases in my chest, shoulders, and biceps already. My suggestion, use M Stack and pump, eat a ton, and hit it hard in the gym and you won't go wrong. Hope this is helpful to everyone.

Later

420g protein, 160g carbs, 85g fat equals 3085 calories.
Are you eating more calories?

[theharjmann]

I Took M-Stak today for the first time. I have to say that i felt amazing through my entire workout and very focused on what i was doing. i didn't want to stop.

THe first day you take MStak; it wont have any effect on your body, especially your workout. After about 4/5 days is when you will start to feel differences. Maybe that was just a placebo effect?

[ronald1919]

THe first day you take MStak; it wont have any effect on your body, especially your workout. After about 4/5 days is when you will start to feel differences. Maybe that was just a placebo effect?



I clearly remember my first day on M-stack, my heart was racing like crazy.

[pmug0000]

THe first day you take MStak; it wont have any effect on your body, especially your workout. After about 4/5 days is when you will start to feel differences. Maybe that was just a placebo effect?

You'll feel the effects of the stimulants the very first day. The stimulants will give you more energy and endurance, and this is not just a placebo effect.

[nightrain]

I have been using M stack for the last week for the first time. I am stacking it with pump and the focus during workouts is awsome! I take M stack first thing in the morning when I wake up and have my shake. I am usually hitting the iron about 2 hours later and I take pump about 30 to 40 min. prior to weights. Thus far my strength has increased and the pump lasts all day after the workout. M stack has ecdysterone in it. I did some reading on this and ecdysterone works great when on a high protien diet and after reading several studies worked even better when combined with a high protien diet and creatine as well. Just with what I have experienced so far I would go with the M stack for mass. I am 33 years old and seeing some really good gains. I am taking in about 4000 calories a day, broke down to 420 grams protien, 160 grams of carbs, and 85 grams of fat spread out over 6 to 7 meals. I have seen mass increases in my chest, shoulders, and biceps already. My suggestion, use M Stack and pump, eat a ton, and hit it hard in the gym and you won't go wrong. Hope this is helpful to everyone.

Later

I have eating a protien bar and a couple of extra shakes a day as well. May have done the math wrong when adding up everything on the labels of all foods. Will go back and recheck to keep my diet up to speed. Thanks.

[nightrain]

420g protein, 160g carbs, 85g fat equals 3085 calories.
Are you eating more calories?

Thanks for pointing this out. I was using a calorie calculator I found online and it wasn't very accurate obviously. You were dead on. It made me take a good look at my diet and make some changes from your math. If you don't mind me asking, how did you figure that so I can utilize for future diet calculations. Thanks.

[Phenom]

I am on a cut. I'm on CUTS/NITRO/PAK/PUMP ATM.

I plan to go CUTS/NITRO/PAK/STACK.

anybody ever do this stack?

[widdlewade44]

I plan to go CUTS/NITRO/PAK/STACK.

anybody ever do this stack?

but I'm older then you bro. At 21 you probably don't need the Stak; but it could help to keep up your strength and natural test levels during the cut. Cuts, Nitro, Pak and Stak is a very sound stak regardless.

Kevin
widdlewade44

[Phenom]

Thx for the input Wade..You have to eat alot on M Stack..I dont think I would consume enough cals in order for m stack to work optimally..If Stack promotes muscle "hardness", thats what I'm looking for..

[need2getBIG]

i was thinking about using mstak,but it cost so much,and i cant fit that into my budget right now,anyone know any sites i can find a discount?

[pmug0000]

i was thinking about using mstak,but it cost so much,and i cant fit that into my budget right now,anyone know any sites i can find a discount?

DPSnutrition.net is about as cheap as it gets.

[widdlewade44]

DPSnutrition.net is about as cheap as it gets.

and their turnaround time has been awesome too. I recommend them highly.

Kevin
widdlewade44

[mustgetbig]

supplementwarehouse.com is the cheapest and if you do happen to find a cheaper price supplementwarehouse.com will take 5% off the competitors price for ya

[pmug0000]

There's are already plenty of threads devoted to internet sellers, and product availability, DPS, etc.
Let's not convert this thread into another one about where to buy products.

[Phenom]

I just switched out Stak for M Stak...I think this will bring me greater gains, even when I am on a cut. Just testing things out. Currently I'm on Pump/pak/nitro/cuts...Holding alot of water though, it seems. So im goin w/ mstack

[depratercm]

I started my Animal Pak and Animal Stak combo yesterday. This is the first time I have taken Stak. Getting older and already have had blood test showing low testosterone levels, I use to take T-bomb 2 but decided to try out STAK, since I really like Animal Products (PAK, FLEX, Cuts).

So Far I have noticed my energy level are starting to pick back up. For those who are not up on what low testosterone can do ....

"When men age, T tends to decline and body fat to increase. That leads to an increase of estrogen levels because of the presence in peripheral fat stores of aromatase, the enzyme that converts androgens such as testosterone into estrogen. An imbalance between T and estrogen can lead to insulin insensitivity, which boosts abdominal fat and its attendant health problems.

Testosterone-deficient men experience a reduced quality of life and such symptoms as heart disease, high blood pressure, lower bone density, fatigue, depression, insomnia, erectile dysfunction and diabetes. Recent studies directly link low T levels to insulin insensitivity and diabetes in men. Some studies link lack of testosterone with the onset of Alzheimer's disease."

[davidr]

I have always taken Stak and have had great results. Now that Stak is discontinued, should I take Stak2 or MStak? Is one better than the other?

IMO bro it really depends on your body type and what you want to achieve. I have always been a hard gainer and since im only 17 i decided to go with the m-stak, and i must say it is fucking amazing. It will deff help you gain weight and strength if you want to do that. i had tried to use stak2 before but since im so young it made me really pissed off and aggressive, so i stopped that after a wk. but for hardgainers like myself m-stak is deff the way to go. However, it wont work unless u eat a shit load of protein and a shit load period as the weight u gain will b mostly muscle, not fat. simply put, u dont eat, u wont gain

[thedrivenone]

IMO bro it really depends on your body type and what you want to achieve. I have always been a hard gainer and since im only 17 i decided to go with the m-stak, and i must say it is fucking amazing. It will deff help you gain weight and strength if you want to do that. i had tried to use stak2 before but since im so young it made me really pissed off and aggressive, so i stopped that after a wk. but for hardgainers like myself m-stak is deff the way to go. However, it wont work unless u eat a shit load of protein and a shit load period as the weight u gain will b mostly muscle, not fat. simply put, u dont eat, u wont gain

M-Stak is what brought me here. Infact, my friend thinks that with my dedication & progress..M-Stak in 2 months is ideal.

I'm 150lbs, 5'10, 13% BF. Skinny fat!!!!!!!!!!!

However, I'm clean bulking...eating 2400 cals now, in May I'll be eating 2800 cals, and then for the time I'm going to be staking my animal pak groups I'll be eating 3200 cals(in june, 3500 in july, 4000 in august). Is that going to produce optimal results(protein content will always be 1.8-2g/ body weight)

[Phenom]

You don't really "feel" anything with M-stak. It works in the background promoting protein synthesis, nutrient partitioning and recovery.

One thing that you will feel is improved recovery, less soreness. Personally I feel improved focus on it as well.


Great input here. I had a hellish back workout yesterday. and only a little bit sore today

[Adrenaline Junkie]

i would go with m-stak...seen people have amazing gains from it as long as they were training hard and eating right!

[robsmx]

from what i read the m-stack is what will do for me.im 24 and my test levels are quite good so ill give the m-stack a go. But is the m-stack an anaboilic ?will i get side effects from it? is it a steroid of any kind? at the moment im taking pak, creatine and real gains and saw qiute a good result but i want to take it a step ahaed, but i wanna do it naturally...can anyone give me some help about these questions? and if i do take the m-stack..how many for how long?? thanks guys

[pmug0000]

from what i read the m-stack is what will do for me.im 24 and my test levels are quite good so ill give the m-stack a go. But is the m-stack an anaboilic ?will i get side effects from it? is it a steroid of any kind? at the moment im taking pak, creatine and real gains and saw qiute a good result but i want to take it a step ahaed, but i wanna do it naturally...can anyone give me some help about these questions? and if i do take the m-stack..how many for how long?? thanks guys

No M-Stak is not a steroid and is not steroid based - it isn't even primarily a hormone manipulator. The only noticeable side effects are increased hunger and muscle mass. As for how many to take for how long: just read the directions on the can.

[lespaul59]

I now the M-Stak can says three weeks on and one week off. Does this mean the whole cycle last 28 days? I just want to be clear so I don't start my second can to soon.

[pmug0000]

I now the M-Stak can says three weeks on and one week off. Does this mean the whole cycle last 28 days? I just want to be clear so I don't start my second can to soon.

One week off between cycles means you take M-Stak for 21 days, then one week off, then you can start your next three week cycle after the one week off. In other words, one can every 4 weeks.

[depratercm]

I just finished my first 21 days on Animal Stak, was real happy with the Stak Paks and had no problems taken them. I think I going to change over from T-Bomb 2 to Stak instead. Cycle out ever few months too!

[lespaul59]

One week off between cycles means you take M-Stak for 21 days, then one week off, then you can start your next three week cycle after the one week off. In other words, one can every 4 weeks.

Thanks. Thats what I thought but I wanted to make sure.

[lindo]

what kind of results can i expect from these i work out 4-5 days a week and they are usually intense with about 20 mins of cardio involed.

[simpleguy]

if your diet is in check you can definitely expect results... but it depends on each person, some respond better then others

[MonTanaMusCle]

what kind of results can i expect from these i work out 4-5 days a week and they are usually intense with about 20 mins of cardio involed.

Like mentioned it all depends, training, diet, rest, etc. Thats a pretty heavy stak so you should definetly see some good results. Whats a typical day look like for you eating, training etc ? Are you taking the pak ? Its hard to put an expectation on things with everybody being so diff.

[Semperfi222]

so i went to the local viatmin store today and they were sold out of m.stak but they had stak2 and i was wondering would it be ok for me at the age of 18 to take stak....ive already had a cycle of m.stak and loved it put on a solid 6 lbs in 3 weeks but now i dont know what to do...is there another product that would help that i can get like pump....my nutrition is in check i have a solid workout split and i eat like a horse....please help me out guys

[brandon cutler]

at 18 your young, and all you got is time. youre not gona grow like weeds,bulk up and be patient. supplements arent magic, they just help. if your not hungry right now, you should be eating.

but to answer your question, many people will tell you to stay away from stak, as will i. because you dont need any extra test in your body. you got plenty of it.
with mstack and stak one isnt "stronger". they serve different purposes.
if i was you and youre gona buy one or the other, id wait and get mstack. you know to wait a week to cycle of before starting your next cycle right?

but have you looked into animal omega?

semper kill

[Semperfi222]

at 18 your young, and all you got is time. youre not gona grow like weeds,bulk up and be patient. supplements arent magic, they just help. if your not hungry right now, you should be eating.

but to answer your question, many people will tell you to stay away from stak, as will i. because you dont need any extra test in your body. you got plenty of it.
with mstack and stak one isnt "stronger". they serve different purposes.
if i was you and youre gona buy one or the other, id wait and get mstack. you know to wait a week to cycle of before starting your next cycle right?

but have you looked into animal omega?

semper kill

yeah bro i took my week off already and i was supposed to start my 2nd cycle of m.stak tomorrow but now i dont know what to do....hypathetically speaking what would happen if i took stak at my age?

[killyouintheface]

yeah bro i took my week off already and i was supposed to start my 2nd cycle of m.stak tomorrow but now i dont know what to do....hypathetically speaking what would happen if i took stak at my age?

I doubt much would happen at all, because you're already making a lot of testosterone naturally.

[Semperfi222]

I doubt much would happen at all, because you're already making a lot of testosterone naturally.

so youre telling me i wouldnt see any gains in strength or size from it?
would it affect my body in any negative way if i took it?

[Master Z]

Don't waste your money on Stak 2, man. Im sure its a great product, but its job is to maximize your natural hormone levels. Im also 18 and I tried it and I saw no results, likely because my hormone levels are already through the roof. However, I did use M-Stak and got some solid strength gains and put on 4 lbs. With all that said, I would recommend that you buy M-Stak.

[torinalth]

Agreed. I'm 25 an I am getting just a hint of help from a stak/test combo... the money is not worth it. after this cycle I'm going back to Mstak.. the nutrient partitioning is going to help you more then anything else ever could. pump for the creatine and nox, pack for the nutrients, and Mstak to put the food in the muscles. If you are searching for other suppliments then grab torrent first and foremost. folow with animal nitro, and omega to round out all the bases.

If you still want to take stak or test or whatever.... do yourself a favor and spend less money on the 20 buck insurance copay and go to the doc. have him test your blood to determin the test levels... if you are not below 200 then stak and test probably will not help much... if you are aroun 800+.. well.. you have no excuse on the hormone side.

T

[killyouintheface]

so youre telling me i wouldnt see any gains in strength or size from it?
would it affect my body in any negative way if i took it?

I don't think it would have any negative effect. It's not gonna break you; it just won't really do anything for you for all the reasons these guys listed.

Wait on the M-Stak. It's really good stuff, and at your age, all you really need is to eat lots and maybe the M-Stak to help your body use all the stuff you're feeding it more efficiently.

[Big Wides]

Stick with whole foods and heavy training, you'll be fine. The possible effects that you could have with taking Stak is with the systems in your body that regulate hormone production, and other things that keep you running at the natural state of human evolution. PM J-Dawg about the effects of someone your age taking a supplement like Stak....basically dont use it, save the money and buy food

[naturalguy]

At 18 M-stak is the better choice for you.

[Enforcer]

so i went to the local viatmin store today and they were sold out of m.stak but they had stak2 and i was wondering would it be ok for me at the age of 18 to take stak....ive already had a cycle of m.stak and loved it put on a solid 6 lbs in 3 weeks but now i dont know what to do...is there another product that would help that i can get like pump....my nutrition is in check i have a solid workout split and i eat like a horse....please help me out guys

At such a young age I would start with M-Stak. Incorporate that with some good quality food and hard training and you will get some nasty results. If you have already gotten great reults with M-Stak then stick with what works. Torrent post workout would be another great product for you to look into.

[thatguy22]

fellas, i cant decide if I should take stak or mstak. I'm 20 years old been lifting for a few years now and want to pick up the intensity. I'm looking to gain some size and strength. I'm thinking about doing pak, either stak or mstak, and whey. Thanks for the help.

[simpleguy]

if I were you I'd stick with m-stak for now... you'd probably benefit more from it then from stak at this time

so pak, m-stak and whey is cool... maybe throw in some creatine if you got the money... and of course, have a solid diet

[mritter3]

i agree completely take mstak you have enough testosterone at this point you don't need any extra mstak will be good for you as long as you have a strong diet. of course stick with pak and whey would be good.

[Enforcer]

fellas, i cant decide if I should take stak or mstak. I'm 20 years old been lifting for a few years now and want to pick up the intensity. I'm looking to gain some size and strength. I'm thinking about doing pak, either stak or mstak, and whey. Thanks for the help.

I suggest taking Animal Stak. It is a little bit stonger and more advanced formula. You aren't new to the game, thus I'd go with Stak.

[Gunz]

if you've never taken stak or mstak before... id first start off with mstak... especially at only 20 years old... see how you like the mstak before you move on to bigger more powerfull things... mstak is one of my fav animal supps

[TheDarkHalf]

you can always run em both together - 2 cans of each back to back.

[CreatineAD]

I understand that M-Stak is non-hormonal and stak isnt but wat is the difference between the two?

[SQUAT or DIE!]

stak increases strength and helps produce more natural GH, Mstak helps add lean mass, it aids in deposition of nutrients.

[CreatineAD]

stak increases strength and helps produce more natural GH, Mstak helps add lean mass, it aids in deposition of nutrients.

would staking the two be fine?

[Enforcer]

I understand that M-Stak is non-hormonal and stak isnt but wat is the difference between the two?

Here you go bro:

http://forum.animalpak.com/showthread.php?t=6830&highlight=Difference+Stak+M-Stak

[Enforcer]

would staking the two be fine?

Yes, many people have stacked M-Stak and Stak togther and got great results in doing so.

[CreatineAD]

Yes, many people have stacked M-Stak and Stak togther and got great results in doing so.

would i cycle both on for 3 weeks on and 1 off or jus one can then the other?