View Full Version : What am I doing wrong?
alkalineman
09-29-07, 7:44 pm
I am 20, 6'0 232lb. I have been off and on training for the past 6 years or so. Whenever I am training I bust my ass though. Eventually I burn myself out after 4-5 months and take a couple months off. I have always had a "gut" and have kept 30% or more body fat percentage even when I bust my ass for months and months on end. Right now I am two weeks into a cut using Animal Cuts/Stak 2/ and Pak everyday. I also experiment with Nitro/Shock Therapy/Storm and Pump. I take flaxseed oil and Liver pills everyday also. I get up early and do elliptical for 45 minutes then eat breakfast with the pak. Later in the day I do a split routine (usually 2 muscle groups) and hit the treadmill for 45 minutes or so. I eat squeaky clean, oatmeal, natty pb, chicken, eye of round, brown rice, sweet potatoes. I also take whey protein throughout the day to make sure I have enough protein. Also I occasionally eat myoplex lite bars for a little extra protein/energy, but only around workout time to burn the carbs. I've gained a few pounds of muscle but can't seem to drop my body fat. What am I doing wrong? Is it possible my genes just won't let me get "cut"? What should I do differently or do I have it down? I don't do the same exercises everytime as I try to keep my body guessing. I train about 6 days a week and do abs everyday I train. I always have 100% intensity in the gym.Any questions please post and let me hear your ideas because I am out of them. It kills me and is discouraging to eat shit everyday that makes me sick to my stomach and bust my ass day in and day out and I barely see any results.
Pokoritel
09-29-07, 7:47 pm
Post your diet up right now this way ppl can help you out
alkalineman
09-29-07, 7:55 pm
After 45min elliptical
Bowl of oatmeal with 2 tbsp natty pb and light honey
2-6 egg whites (no yolk)
20-40g protein shake (no carbs and about 5g fat)
A couple hours later I'll have a average sized sweet potato or brown rice/rice and 4-6 oz of chicken or eye of round
Sometimes I'll have a Myoplex Lite Protein bar or just another 20-40g protein shake
After I workout I'll have a couple sips of grape juice with my Nitro or just have a Nitro G
Sweet potato or brown rice/rice & 4-6 oz chicken or eye
If I get hungry again I might have a bowl of oatmeal or eat more meat, or eggs
Sometimes I will sub the sweet potato with a regular potato and I'll often have vegetables like corn/brocolli/peas with most meals or straight lettuce/baby spinach. I also may sub my meat for tuna.
Off and on I'll have premade meals like a shepards pie. I add no salt to anything.
It's lean ground beef, corn, potato, and a couple sprinkles or shredded cheese (very little)
I also recently added a couple meals of chili because my girlfriend made it. It was lean ground beef, with a plefora of beans and tomatoes/green peppers/onions. It had extra salt because she used canned chili beans but I don't think those couple small meals meals of extra salt would keep me from dropping bodyfat.
I think that's pretty much it. Post any questions, ideas or concerns. Thanks
Pizzalamp
09-29-07, 9:02 pm
imo i would say calculate all your calories to see how much youre actually eating
remember u can still gain fat even if u eat 2 many clean calories
maybe try tapering off carbs closer to bedtime
im not sure whats in shepards pie but try to eliminate it except for say a cheat meal
i wouldnt worry too much about salt-but dont go crazy w/ it lol
dont forget to drink lots of water and try to get good sleep every night
also make sure youre not overdoing it in the gym and youre getting plenty of recooperation and recovery time remember more is not always better
good luck bro. stay strong
alkalineman
09-29-07, 9:13 pm
the shepards pie is lean ground beef (nothing added), mashed up potatoes (nothing added), corn (nothing added) and a few sprinkles of shredded cheese over the top.
alkalineman
09-29-07, 9:14 pm
Yeah I've definently tried not to eat any carbs at night.
Pizzalamp
09-29-07, 9:16 pm
i have a feeling youre eating too many calories
even if the shep pie has clean ingredients it can still add up over time-sounds tasty though
alkalineman
09-29-07, 9:23 pm
Well, since it doesn't have any salt or anything added it's not that great but it's definently better than choking down sweet potatoes and dry meat.
alkalineman
09-29-07, 9:23 pm
Really, too many calories? I figured I was eating too little calories because I'm 232 lbs. I have very little energy throughout the day because I try not to eat a lot. I would probably struggle throughout my training days if it wasn't for a pre-workout energy supplement.
Pizzalamp
09-29-07, 9:28 pm
would i would do is tally up all my calories and see what youre taking in
they dont have to be dry and tasteless-seasonings and creativity can go a long way
like if you make sweet potatoes into wedges w/ some pam and sea salt baked in the oven can taste sooo good
remember it takes dedication and a never quit attitude to achieve a good body-sure i would love to eat pizza and soft pretzels all the time but i dont
i dont mind eating chicken and oats and sweet potatoes all week casue i know myb goals and what i need to do to achieve them
stay strong!
ironshaolin
09-29-07, 9:56 pm
check out Ox's thread, you might wanna think about utilizing a ketonic diet. Use supersets when you work out, they keep your heart pumping for a longer period of time and burn more calories.
alkalineman
09-30-07, 1:00 am
I'm sorry, where can I find this Ox's ketonic diet?
I'm sorry, where can I find this Ox's ketonic diet?
gotta search bro...its post #37
http://forum.animalpak.com/showthread.php?t=7904&page=
Calculate your calories out bro. Your a pretty big dude so don't do by what most mag's or online places say. (The majority of meal plans in mags are for 165-80 lb men.)
I wasn't losing any weight and actually found out it was because I wasn't eating ENOUGH calories. Imagine that shit.
alkalineman
10-01-07, 9:02 am
thank you so much! I have NEVER tried not eating carbs at all, maybe this is for me!
LegendKillerJosh
10-01-07, 10:30 am
I would not cut out carbs - ketosis isn't a good state to be in. I think there are a couple problems here - your post workout shake needs to be more than just nitro - that only has 2.5g of protein in it. The other factor is time - you can't lose that much in 4-5 months and then take 2-3 months off. If you utilized this diet for an entire year and trained hard - you would see the results your are looking for.
alkalineman
10-01-07, 3:01 pm
Hmm, I was really considering doing the ketogenic diet but maybe I shouldn't? It seems like maybe it could work for me? Anyone's thoughts? I actually am starting to really tighten up and I'm starting to get a crease in my arms where the biceps are beginning to "cut".
alkalineman
10-01-07, 3:01 pm
I am currently on a "low carb" diet. The way Ox was explaining his theory it seemed like zero carb would be better than low carb because of the glycogen factor
Pizzalamp
10-01-07, 3:05 pm
with oxs diet your body will be using ketones as energy sources. its is a good diet and if u follow it correctly 100% u will get great results. but its just 1 of many diets.
its also a very heart healthy diet as well.
Man like you i wanted to get cut back in the spring and the way i did it was cutting carbs down a lot. i would go two days of really low carbs 0-50 grams, then two days of moderate carbs 50-100, then one day of a lot carbs 200-225 grams. They were all good carbs, oats, whole wheats, and such. i also did about 45 mins cardio early in the morning on an empty stomach then lifted in the evenings. it really sucks not eating hardly any carbs, makes you tired all day and no matter how much chicken or how many eggs you eat your still hungry. Oh yea i only did this till i achieved my goals then i adjusted my diet to maintain my weight. Everyone is different so this approach might not work for you. hope this helps
ThirdEye
10-01-07, 4:02 pm
How much water are you drinking a day?
alkalineman
10-01-07, 10:47 pm
probably more than I should. i piss every 5-10min
alkalineman
10-01-07, 11:43 pm
Is there any way I could alter my diet to burn more fat? I may have a 15g 23g carb protein bar once every couple days if I get hungry at work.
meal 1: 1 cup oatmeal w/ 2tbsp peanut butter and a drizzle of honey and 3-6 egg whites
meal 2:20-40g protein shake (trivial carbs/fat so I left that out of the equation)
meal 3: about 1/2 cup brown rice and 4-5 oz chicken and 2+ cups assorted vegetables
In place of that meal I may have a sweet potato and 4-6 oz of eye of round
If I'm at work I'll have around 5 oz of very lean turkey and a couple bites of cheese
meal 4: same as meal 3
meal 5: same as meal 2
I don't have the chicken measured perfectly because it's mixed in a pot with the brown rice and veggies. I don't eat carbs at night, just meat, eggs, or a protein shake. I also add liver pills in some meals and I use fish oil pills. I usually use shock therapy pre workout and nitro post workout. I take Animal Cuts in the morning before cardio, the pak w/ breakfast and animal stak 2 sometime before weights in the afternoon.
Post questions and thanks for the help. About how many calories should I be eating a day to make sure I'm not losing muscle but also losing fat. Right now I am around 233lb and 33% bodyfat but over the intense training over the past couple weeks I look noticably more cut even though my weight and bf seems to not have changed on the scale I have. It was kind of cheap scale
Hey man, these guys seem to be giving you some great diet advice...an article I read awhile back came to mind when I saw your post...I would say look into a Guggolsterones supplement...do your research b/c I don't know what the side effects are or if it is even a legit solution to your situation...good luck bro
Pizzalamp
10-02-07, 12:36 am
Is there any way I could alter my diet to burn more fat? I may have a 15g 23g carb protein bar once every couple days if I get hungry at work.
meal 1: 1 cup oatmeal w/ 2tbsp peanut butter and a drizzle of honey and 3-6 egg whites
meal 2:20-40g protein shake (trivial carbs/fat so I left that out of the equation)
meal 3: about 1/2 cup brown rice and 4-5 oz chicken and 2+ cups assorted vegetables
In place of that meal I may have a sweet potato and 4-6 oz of eye of round
If I'm at work I'll have around 5 oz of very lean turkey and a couple bites of cheese
meal 4: same as meal 3
meal 5: same as meal 2
I don't have the chicken measured perfectly because it's mixed in a pot with the brown rice and veggies. I don't eat carbs at night, just meat, eggs, or a protein shake. I also add liver pills in some meals and I use fish oil pills. I usually use shock therapy pre workout and nitro post workout. I take Animal Cuts in the morning before cardio, the pak w/ breakfast and animal stak 2 sometime before weights in the afternoon.
Post questions and thanks for the help. About how many calories should I be eating a day to make sure I'm not losing muscle but also losing fat. Right now I am around 233lb and 33% bodyfat but over the intense training over the past couple weeks I look noticably more cut even though my weight and bf seems to not have changed on the scale I have. It was kind of cheap scale
hey
heres my opinion
on ya 1st meal i would drop the honey bump the egg whites to maybe around 12 and add in 2-3 yolks i would drop the pb too
if u want u could have 6 oz lean meat w/ this meal
on the shake add a handul of raw nuts of a tbsp of natty pb-it will also slow the digestion rate of the protein
on the chicken meal bump it up to 8 oz raw weight veges are good maybe add tbsp olive oil and the rice amt looks good
if u have the turkey, do 8 oz raw and add small amt of carbs like 1/2 cup brown rice i would drop the cheese
preworkout get in lean protein or a shake w/ small amt carbs like 50 g
post workout the same ie whey and 50-70g carbs
after workout is when i assume u eat dinner? try 8 oz salmon or lean steak with lots of veggies and some extra virgin olive oil
just try to get in around 6 clean meals and have a cheat meal once a week
I would say in about april...I was 236 after a bulk though my calories were 2800 when I started cutting nothing drastic ..then each month I lowered that by 250 the first 4 days I dropped all carbs that shocked the shit out of me man I lost 2 pounds that week. I consider that losing 1-2 pounds a week is healthy. your cardio should not be the only way you are losing weight your diet should be doing most of the work. the cardio is to tighten things up..I did not even do cardio really heavy until like 4 weeks into my cut...hope that helps bro...
Your diet is the key to cutting. If you want to burn fat you need to cut carbs drastically. Your body uses fat and carbs as energy, so if you cut carbs drastically your body turns to your fat stores to burn energy. This is why you should work out or do cardio early in the morning on an empty stomach. Your body has no food to burn as energy and this maximizes your body's potential to burn fat stores as energy. You should definetly cut all sugary foods such as honey out.
alkalineman
10-03-07, 9:50 am
thanks for the tip on the honey, I thought I read somewhere that it's suppose to flatten your stomach or something. Also I figured it would help me stay full for longer but nevermind that. Yeah, I don't eat sugary foods or processed foods anymore. I'll occasionally have a Myoplex Lite bar whenever I get really hungry at work and my manager has already caught me bogarting the restaurant turkey, chicken & eggs. I do elliptical when I get up in the morning with a cuts pak.Later in the day I'll do weights and then elliptical right after it. I'm not doing treadmill anymore I've heard too much about it destroying muscle quickly.
Pizzalamp
10-03-07, 10:40 am
if u do low intensity cardio on tread u wont be as likely to burn muscle-i do it around 3.5 with some glutamine and bcaas before
alkalineman
10-03-07, 12:57 pm
I may try the ketogenic diet in a couple weeks. I'd start now but I'm eating a cheat meal of nachos this sunday for the Jaguars vs. Falcons Game. Then I'm going to the stadium next week to watch the jags play the texans and I may have some cheat meal there. It really seems like my body doesn't respond well to carbs and this change may be for the best.
alkalineman
10-03-07, 4:43 pm
I'm getting less and less every day of a burn/sweat doing elliptical for 45min in the morning and afternoon. I think it's my body starting to tell me i'm getting in peak condition and need to do something else. Maybe I'll just increase the time, or would that burn too much muscle? I can try increasing the intensity but I can't go too fast because my knees begin to hurt. The only problem i've ever had with the elliptical is my knees burning out way before I get tired or anything.
I'm getting less and less every day of a burn/sweat doing elliptical for 45min in the morning and afternoon. I think it's my body starting to tell me i'm getting in peak condition and need to do something else. Maybe I'll just increase the time, or would that burn too much muscle? I can try increasing the intensity but I can't go too fast because my knees begin to hurt. The only problem i've ever had with the elliptical is my knees burning out way before I get tired or anything.
i think a horizontal bike would be best (or regular bike if your gym doesn't have a horizontal one) i've had knee problems in the past and the bike really gets your legs pumped and works up a great sweat while taking stress off the knees...a 20-30 minute bike ride with good intensity (maybe throw on a sweatshirt too) might be a good thing to try.
alkalineman
10-04-07, 7:34 am
thanks for the tip. I have a question for everyone for my "low" carb diet. If I eat about 4 oz of chicken mixed with 4-6 eggs, 1 yolk and the rest whites, do I need to have any oatmeal with my breakfast? I figure the only time I'll eat carbs now is with my pre and post workout meals (which is chicken, brown rice & vegetables). I'll usually mix 4-6oz eye of round and eggs for my dinner so I cut out the carbs. Any advice? Thanks
alkalineman
10-04-07, 10:49 am
well I didn't eat my oatmeal this morning and I feel like shit on the couch playing madden nfl. It seems strange such a little change would make me feel this way. I barely even have enough energy to type, maybe after my stak2 and shock therapy I'll be up for training today. Right now I am trying to muster the stomach to eat this brown rice/chicken/veggies.
alkalineman
10-04-07, 9:39 pm
Anyone have any advice for me if I was to get my wisdom teeth pulled? How would I continue my diet for those 2-3 days?
alkalineman
10-16-07, 8:02 pm
i've moved this over to "My ketogenic diet" on the diet forum.
SolidTongan
10-16-07, 8:42 pm
Yeah I've definently tried not to eat any carbs at night.
Yeah, like 4 hours before bedtime...NO CARBS! And calculate tha total number of calories that you're taking in. OR you could try goin' low carb one day...tha next day high carb...and so on to keep your metabolism high. Also, try doin' interval cardio...that keeps your metabolism high...especially after you workout. And by doin' abs EVERYDAY...your body is no longer guessin'...it already knows when it's comin' up...now switch it up to every other day and switch up everything from reps, sets, rest periods, resistance, and excercise. Lastly, tha months that you don't train...is your diet still the same? It shouldn't be since you're not burnin' tha same amount of fuel.