View Full Version : Wake up to piss, which shake?
ChandlerXJ
10-10-07, 10:27 am
I read a lot of guys talking about keeping a shake by bed so when they go up to piss they don't go back to sleep catabolic.
What do you think the shake should be, just protein, equal carbs and equal protein, or 2:1 protein:carbs... or what..
I'm on the 1:1:1 Carbs, Protein, Fat diet... and havings a whole shake with the same macros as a meal might be a little much...
what do you think...
I read a lot of guys talking about keeping a shake by bed so when they go up to piss they don't go back to sleep catabolic.
What do you think the shake should be, just protein, equal carbs and equal protein, or 2:1 protein:carbs... or what..
I'm on the 1:1:1 Carbs, Protein, Fat diet... and havings a whole shake with the same macros as a meal might be a little much...
what do you think...
wow that must be the secret.....lol
ChandlerXJ
10-10-07, 11:08 am
vinny are you referencing the oprah book? Haha
Giant Killer
10-10-07, 12:15 pm
I just take some Uni-Liver, 4 tabs with a glass of water. I have an old N1-T bottle filled with them under the bathroom sink that is my "wake up in the middle of the night to piss" stash. A more budget approach than using protein powder.
simpleguy
10-10-07, 12:24 pm
you know, chandler, it pretty much depends on whether you're cutting or bulking, or how well your body takes carbs at night... as for me, I'm cutting, so, for now, just casein protein with a bit of peanut butter
DMH56308
10-10-07, 12:33 pm
Great idea Giant! I'm starting that tonight!
ChandlerXJ
10-10-07, 3:07 pm
I just take some Uni-Liver, 4 tabs with a glass of water. I have an old N1-T bottle filled with them under the bathroom sink that is my "wake up in the middle of the night to piss" stash. A more budget approach than using protein powder.
wow, yeah, I think I'll do that. I'll take 4-6 liver tabs, then 2 amino tech pill, this should hold me over until breakfast... awesome
Arbalest
10-10-07, 3:09 pm
Ok, not to steal the thread, as I believe this should contribute to the OP's question.
When it takes around 12 hours just to digest a meal, how can anyone think they are going to be catabolic thru 8 hours of sleep?
The only reason I see for having a shake when you wake up at 3am is just for extra calories/protein.
Really, you should have a good meal before you sleep anyways, which should supply you with a steady stream of aminos for rebuilding during your sleep.
Freakshow
10-10-07, 3:09 pm
I have taken Ultra Whey Pro and Milk and Egg when I am cutting, and Unisyn when I am bulking..
ChandlerXJ
10-10-07, 3:15 pm
well that makes sense and everything but I am eating every 2 and a half hours, on the dot. when I go to bed, I wake up every 2 and half hours hungry. I am on 1:1:1 diet, so I have less carbs than my old 2:1 which is making me more hungry more often. I am also eating a certain number of calorie a day on this bulk. A lot of people will go "why would you be specific on a bulk" but I've put on 4.5 pounds in 2 weeks and decreased my body fat.
I think that on my kind of bulk, the uni liver should be perfect.
BigLansford
10-10-07, 10:05 pm
I've never even thought of doing this.
The Uni-Liver tabs are a great idea.
Uniliver currently sits on top of my nightstand/supplement cupboard. I wash them down with some almond milk.
simpleguy
10-10-07, 11:48 pm
Ok, not to steal the thread, as I believe this should contribute to the OP's question.
When it takes around 12 hours just to digest a meal, how can anyone think they are going to be catabolic thru 8 hours of sleep?
The only reason I see for having a shake when you wake up at 3am is just for extra calories/protein.
Really, you should have a good meal before you sleep anyways, which should supply you with a steady stream of aminos for rebuilding during your sleep.
I don't mean to be a ''smart-ass'', but I always thought that protein stays in your bloodstream for a few hours... if what you say is true, why do we eat every three hours during the day?
loiacanoa
10-11-07, 6:16 am
ima try takin some uni-livers. gotta love the 3 am piss haha
Arbalest
10-11-07, 4:09 pm
I don't mean to be a ''smart-ass'', but I always thought that protein stays in your bloodstream for a few hours... if what you say is true, why do we eat every three hours during the day?
You know, I'm going to get flamed for this, but I don't believe the "eat every 3 hours" thing either.
Personally I've been Intermittent Fasting for the last 5months. Fast for 16 hours and eating for 8. From my own experience, I've grown muscle and dropped bodyfat while doing this.
Personally I think its just BB'ing myth. Besides, I'd rather eat 3 large meals in 8 hours than eat 6 small meals and never feel satisfied.
I'm going to continue what I'm doing until my contest in April... I will start a log in January when I really start dieting.
You know, I'm going to get flamed for this, but I don't believe the "eat every 3 hours" thing either.
Personally I've been Intermittent Fasting for the last 5months. Fast for 16 hours and eating for 8. From my own experience, I've grown muscle and dropped bodyfat while doing this.
Personally I think its just BB'ing myth. Besides, I'd rather eat 3 large meals in 8 hours than eat 6 small meals and never feel satisfied.
I'm going to continue what I'm doing until my contest in April... I will start a log in January when I really start dieting.
can you elaborate on what you do arbalest? so the 16 hours of fasting includes evening/night/morning? please explain, im intrigued.
adidamps2
10-12-07, 9:59 am
You know, I'm going to get flamed for this, but I don't believe the "eat every 3 hours" thing either.
Personally I've been Intermittent Fasting for the last 5months. Fast for 16 hours and eating for 8. From my own experience, I've grown muscle and dropped bodyfat while doing this.
Personally I think its just BB'ing myth. Besides, I'd rather eat 3 large meals in 8 hours than eat 6 small meals and never feel satisfied.
I'm going to continue what I'm doing until my contest in April... I will start a log in January when I really start dieting.
bro, dont come on here spewing shit like this...no one here likes it when you go agaist the grain and "what the pro's do"...LOL
all sarcasim aside i totally agree with you... and have been stating a lot of the same shit you have here...but it either gets flamed to hell or completely ignored...LOL
cornfed86
03-13-08, 6:51 am
i got up at 3am and put down 40g of whey and 2tbsp of pb. its fuckin delicious too
Ever since I heard old school do the uniliver I have been knocking out 4 tabs a night with a glass of water when I get up to piss. I have noticed a huge difference between waking up starving to death or not. When i miss the tabs(basically dont drink enough before bed to have to get up and piss, lol) Im so flippin hungry in the morning its not pretty. Plus if your like me, I wear contacts, so Im basically 99% blind at night. Making/even trying to drink a shake would be a joke at 3am. Im doing good to just find the livertabs in the night by touch alone(same place on the bedside table), plus if I spill anything its just water. kinda sad, haha...
If you want to down a shake, look into Uni-Syn.
HoldFast
03-13-08, 5:06 pm
I just open the fridge and drink milk right out the gallon. If I do anything more involved i.e. making a shake or such I will have trouble falling back asleep.
I read a lot of guys talking about keeping a shake by bed so when they go up to piss they don't go back to sleep catabolic.
What do you think the shake should be, just protein, equal carbs and equal protein, or 2:1 protein:carbs... or what..
I'm on the 1:1:1 Carbs, Protein, Fat diet... and havings a whole shake with the same macros as a meal might be a little much...
what do you think...
my original post was sarcastic, i was judt having fun....
but serious, i have done that with shakes in the middle of the night, and it didn't do a thing for me execpt get me fat.
my original post was sarcastic, i was judt having fun....
but serious, i have done that with shakes in the middle of the night, and it didn't do a thing for me execpt get me fat.
how long did ya try that out vinny?
and was it a shake with carbs, or straight up protein?
John-TNS
03-13-08, 6:01 pm
I usualy just throw down 1 scoop of Whey with water when waking up to piss.
pmug0000
03-13-08, 8:15 pm
I just drink some EAA stack - it keeps you from becoming catabolic and there is no need to worry about gaining fat from it.
And the watermelon flavor is delicious.
naturalguy
03-13-08, 8:28 pm
Personally I don't like to take anything when I get up to piss as I have trouble falling back to sleep. If it doesn't affect your sleep then I think it's a good idea.
Personally I don't like to take anything when I get up to piss as I have trouble falling back to sleep. If it doesn't affect your sleep then I think it's a good idea.
Not to be an EAA fanatic but...............................pop a pack of Nitro
Personally I don't like to take anything when I get up to piss as I have trouble falling back to sleep. If it doesn't affect your sleep then I think it's a good idea.
Me too. I've tried it for about a month, but just realized that I had a harder time falling asleep after wards. I have trouble sleeping as it is, so this just drained me even more.
Not to be an EAA fanatic but...............................pop a pack of Nitro
EAA's give me too much of a "boost", I don't know why, but I get a little rush of energy and can't go to sleep with them either.
I just can't sleep basically, I'm thinking of giving it up, maybe just try and get 4 hours a night.
how long did ya try that out vinny?
and was it a shake with carbs, or straight up protein?
about 3 years....and nothing changed when i stopped, i still made the same gains as before and during the midnight shakes.
theharjmann
03-14-08, 12:09 pm
45 minutes before bed i get a meal in consisting of the following:
ground beef burger: 20g protein/9g fat(3 of which saturates)
2 slices wholemeal toast
10g whey protein
10g micellar casein protein.
that usuaslly keeps me set till after my monstrous shit in the morning. before the shit i have my creatine powder. then after the shit im starving so have my breakfast. works a treat!
ChandlerXJ
03-14-08, 2:03 pm
no carbs before bed allow better GH release during sleep.
born0withno0soul
03-14-08, 2:56 pm
i think sleep is more important than protein at this time
Drink a shake in the middle of the night when you take a piss? What the fuck? No disrespect here, but brothers, 99% of you don't need to do this. I'm with Vin on this one.
simpleguy
03-14-08, 3:57 pm
Drink a shake in the middle of the night when you take a piss? What the fuck? No disrespect here, but brothers, 99% of you don't need to do this. I'm with Vin on this one.
may I ask why ?
ct italian 1
03-17-08, 11:37 am
I'm w/ Vinny on this one, I actually was contemplating trying this myself last year but after really thinking about it decided against it. I mix my aminos in w/ my gallon jug of water the night before so when I wake up to piss I'll take a few sips of that, but that's it.
Universal Rep
03-17-08, 11:39 am
may I ask why ?
I'm gonna guess F thinks the benefits are incremental at best and that the benefit doesn't outweigh the cost. Or something like that... For elite athletes, where minor details can mean first or second, it may matter. Not for the majority, though... That's my take.
ThirdEye
03-17-08, 11:47 am
It amazes me how many of you have to get up in the middle of your sleep to piss. I drink 2 gallons water a day and just have a leak before bed then a biggy when i wake. If i was in the weak bladder club, then i would go for the UNI-LIVER approach...
I know that what I do is kind of controversial. I eat every 3 hours max, day or night. I seem to wake up roughly every 3 hours at night. I take advantage of this by keeping a container of cottage cheese beside my bed. I eat half when I wake up the first time and the other half the second time I wake up. This I believe helps my training as I often have to train soon after waking in the morning (roughly between 3 and 5 am depending on the time of year). This way may body has the fuel I need. I count this nighttime food towards my daily caloric intake.
Wasteland
03-17-08, 11:58 am
I know that what I do is kind of controversial. I eat every 3 hours max, day or night. I seem to wake up roughly every 3 hours at night. I take advantage of this by keeping a container of cottage cheese beside my bed. I eat half when I wake up the first time and the other half the second time I wake up. This I believe helps my training as I often have to train soon after waking in the morning (roughly between 3 and 5 am depending on the time of year). This way may body has the fuel I need. I count this nighttime food towards my daily caloric intake.
I don't think "controversial" is the right word. If you do it, you do it. If it works for you, continue.
LittleMan55
03-17-08, 12:04 pm
I know that what I do is kind of controversial. I eat every 3 hours max, day or night. I seem to wake up roughly every 3 hours at night. I take advantage of this by keeping a container of cottage cheese beside my bed. I eat half when I wake up the first time and the other half the second time I wake up. This I believe helps my training as I often have to train soon after waking in the morning (roughly between 3 and 5 am depending on the time of year). This way may body has the fuel I need. I count this nighttime food towards my daily caloric intake.
I train in the morning too at about 6. I drink a casine shake before bed, but often find myself waking up at about 3 to piss and starved, so I down a shake that I usually mix up and leave in the fridge. I think this helps with the a.m training as stiff stated. I also count it toward my cal. intake so its good to kick start my day. If I wake up to piss and I am not starved, I usually just go back to sleep and dont worry about it. Its more about the hunger to me than a feeling of necessity.
I don't think "controversial" is the right word. If you do it, you do it. If it works for you, continue.
I used that "c" word as it appears there are those who feel it actually affected them in a negative way. I do agree that people need to experiment and discover what works for them specifically.
Wasteland
03-17-08, 12:36 pm
I used that "c" word as it appears there are those who feel it actually affected them in a negative way. I do agree that people need to experiment and discover what works for them specifically.
True. I say, try something out. Works? Keep it. Doesn't? Drop it. Simple.
Ricky P
03-17-08, 12:55 pm
I know we all at some point or another followed Wrath's journey.. I just like what he says in his new book about his meal plan:
"I'm eating every 2-3 hours, depended on hunger levels. I'm not counting calories or macronutrients. I'm eating instinctively because I know how to listen to my body -- what works and what doesn't. That is the key -- you gotta know through experience and experimentation what'll work for you." (Page 52 - My Meal Plan Phase 2)
I think that excerpt right there is perfect for this discussion. Like a lot of you have said already, it depends on the person and they're going to have to figure out what works for them. Some might find it beneficial to down a shake in the middle of the night, maybe it really does help their workouts the next day. Who knows? I've said it a lot before but what works for you may not work for someone else, and what works for them may not work for you. Just have to find what fits you, and that's pretty much what this game is all about.
Malloy1344
03-17-08, 1:16 pm
I have a hard enough time making it to the toilet to piss, let alone getting a shake together. I'm not a functional person upon waking....
Before bed my last meal is always a shake with natty pb and no carbs.
The carb approach will generally just raise your bf% over time due to the fact that, your body essentially stores carbs as fat and not energy prior to little or no activity such as sleep.
As for waking up, Uni-Liver sounds like an OK idea, but you might just want to forget about food altogether for a little bit. LOL.
It amazes me how many of you have to get up in the middle of your sleep to piss. I drink 2 gallons water a day and just have a leak before bed then a biggy when i wake. If i was in the weak bladder club, then i would go for the UNI-LIVER approach...
Same shit here. I sleep from 1am-9am without EVER waking (I work swing shift). 3 ZMA pro and 4 uni-liver before bed each night.
Phil
pmug0000
03-17-08, 7:28 pm
Same shit here. I sleep from 1am-9am without EVER waking (I work swing shift). 3 ZMA pro and 4 uni-liver before bed each night.
Phil
Consider yourselves fortunate. I wake up at least twice during the night to piss without fail. I'm a super-light sleeper though - if there's a fly buzzing around or whatever little thing makes a noise I'll wake up, and I always go to the bathroom. And then I'll drink some more water, and wake up again to piss.
It's a vicious cycle.
cornfed86
03-19-08, 1:03 pm
how 'bout just plain protein shakes? does anyone do just plain 20-40g of whey?
how 'bout just plain protein shakes? does anyone do just plain 20-40g of whey?
May work for some, but not all.
Just whey isolate alone (because I don't think concentrate is a superior protein anymore) digests entirely too fast. Thus, the average bodybuilder may find himself waking up on more than one occasion during the night feeling awfully hungry and may cosume even more whey.
Also, if you didn't notice the prices of whey skyrocketing lately, I don't think it would come as wise to consume more than 4-6 scoops of whey in a day.
Brick By Brick
03-19-08, 6:08 pm
how 'bout just plain protein shakes? does anyone do just plain 20-40g of whey?
I've been known to do that on occasion, depending on if I'm hungry when I wake up in the middle of the night. I have a 13 month old son who wants to eat about every 3 hours, so I get a few chances to get a few grams of protein in at night. It hasn't hurt, but I don't do it all the time.
may I ask why ?
Too many hardworking lifters get caught up with the details, fine tuning this, fine tuning that... Shit, the main issue for 99% of lifters is going balls out, 100% in the gym, then eating like a fucking monster, and making sure you get enough rest. Think big picture, not small. A shake in the middle of the night ain't gonna make up for hitting the iron at only 99% or half-assing your diet... It's a piss poor substitute.
prowrestler
03-21-08, 4:02 pm
i do the triple threat approach.
the body has an order in which it digests its calories for energy. carbs first, fats second and protien last. so, i do all three nutrients. 60 grams of carbs, starch, from oatmeal, 50 grams protien. 15 from cotage cheese, 10 from milk and 25 from whey. 30 grams fat from peanut butter.
i normally do that before i sleep. then if i wake up, i do peanuts and milk.
i like the liver tab idea though.
Why not Real Gains?
Apparently Strawberry RG is the best thing since sliced bread.
Some good old fashioned food additive and maltodextrin wouldn't be half bad to consume mid-sleep since it digests so easily!
Pizzalamp
03-21-08, 4:24 pm
Why not Real Gains?
Apparently Strawberry RG is the best thing since sliced bread.
Some good old fashioned food additive and maltodextrin wouldn't be half bad to consume mid-sleep since it digests so easily!
if it doesnt work for u so be it
dont bash it
we try to show respect towards differnt views on this site
intoodeep25
03-21-08, 4:27 pm
I have a hard enough time making it to the toilet to piss, let alone getting a shake together. I'm not a functional person upon waking....
lol i love that feeling though..like some big grizzly bear that got shot with a tranq dart haha..i usually end up falling asleep with my face on my hand while sittin on the john for a few minutes then going back to the bed
Why not Real Gains?
Apparently Strawberry RG is the best thing since sliced bread.
Some good old fashioned food additive and maltodextrin wouldn't be half bad to consume mid-sleep since it digests so easily!
Lol, Dave Palumbo would be proud...
Who said I was bashing.
Last time I checked, I just recommended that Chandler merely down a nice serving of Real Gains if he's feeling hungry upon waking in the middle of the night.
I did it last night, and then I dreamed some more about Strawberry Real Gains... YUM!