My Ketogenic diet

[alkalineman]

I'm doing ox's ketogenic diet, you can read up on it for the details. I thought I wouldn't just do it in silence, but shed light on it for anyone who is considering to try it. I'm about 230, 32% bodyfat (mostly in my midsection). I'm not cut by any means but I am about to finish in a couple days my Animal Cut/Stak 2 cycle. I also take the pak and fish oil and shit like that. I train balls to the wall everyday and get my ass up early in the morning to do elliptical and train with elliptical later in the day. Strict diet. I live in Gainesville, FL so I party maybe once every couple weeks, and I stick to straight Vodka with zero carbs and no cheating yet because I'm on my first week on the diet. This is not a log, as I will not go in depth, but will occasionally post my progress. any questions shoot

PS: if no one cares just say and I'll shut up

[alkalineman]

i've lost maybe a couple of pounds so far and about 5-6% bodyfat MAYBE. I'm about 5 days in ketosis but almost finished 3 weeks of an animal cut/stak2 cycle with a low carb diet (with low glycemic carbs). I've done myself a favor for the ketogenic diet because when I was dieting with low carbs I didn't eat much carbs then.

I have huge strength in my legs and my upper body is lacking. I have a weak bench but a huge deadlift(back)/tri/shoulder strength.

[musclealchemist]

what does you diet look like? What are you eating?

[alkalineman]

I'm eating exactly what the diet plan was laid out with very few moderations like cashews from time to time, because I like the taste better or steak instead of chicken, or tuna, or some other kind of fish. Or I may substitute a shake and pb meal for a meat/veggie meal. I also wanted to note that i take pump or stak2 or storm preworkout and nitro post workout. There is another great workout plan on Ox's stable thread! check it out

meal1:
6 whole eggs
meal2:
protein shake and 2 tbsp. peanut b
meal3:
8oz. chicken/2cup spinach/1/2 cup almonds
meal4:
protein shake and 2bsp. peanut b
meal5:
8oz. salmon/2cup spinach/1 tbsp. olive oil
meal6:
same as meal 2 or 4

[simpleguy]

good luck on the keto diet bro...

[MDur8]

good luck on the keto diet bro...

x2 yeah stick with it bro...consistency is the key with this diet... keep us posted bro

[SolidTongan]

Wear do you read up on the Keto diet? Ketosis is the process wear your body burns fat for fuel instead of carbs, right?

[krazyassmexican]

good shit bro get this shit done

hey dont think i am gonna say this to bother you
but you can party alcohol free if you have to party
try that
it will be better

[alkalineman]

i'm officially a week in. feel very drained and tired. getting cravings now especially when the misses is eating her tasty food or am out and about smelling restaurants. guess keep grinding away. all i'm looking forward to now is the cheat meal in week 3.

[Pizzalamp]

just make sure any supplements u take dont have carbs in em cause you wont fully be in ketosis and youll feel like shit

[Pokoritel]

I am going to start it very soon myself. I will be back to see how it goes for ya.

[alkalineman]

supplements are:
ON 100% egg protein
specialized protein for lean mass
uniliver
fish oil
storm
stak2
pump
cuts
pak
nitro

i just got some cheap xtend from a sale

[alkalineman]

recovery is almost non-existent, getting up out of bed, feels like a force field keeping me down. feel tired and no motivation in the gym. my lifts haven't necessarily gone down, i'm a bit stronger.

[carpediem300]

recovery is almost non-existent, getting up out of bed, feels like a force field keeping me down. feel tired and no motivation in the gym. my lifts haven't necessarily gone down, i'm a bit stronger.

Isn't this basically Atkins. Fatigue is very common. Fat doesn't burn as efficiently, right? Are you using the keto strips as a barometer to know you are in ketosis?


Cheers ...

[krazyassmexican]

recovery is almost non-existent, getting up out of bed, feels like a force field keeping me down. feel tired and no motivation in the gym. my lifts haven't necessarily gone down, i'm a bit stronger.

dont trip bro that will get over soon

[krazyassmexican]

Isn't this basically Atkins. Fatigue is very common. Fat doesn't burn as efficiently, right? Are you using the keto strips as a barometer to know you are in ketosis?


Cheers ...

ketogenic diet and atkins are not the same

by the way

fat does burn on keto diet since it is your primary source of energy

[carpediem300]

ketogenic diet and atkins are not the same

by the way

fat does burn on keto diet since it is your primary source of energy

I stand corrected. I didn't realize how fat-centric a ketogenic diet is. Interesting.

[krazyassmexican]

I stand corrected. I didn't realize how fat-centric a ketogenic diet is. Interesting.

yes sir

ketogenic diet means high fats, high protein, no carbs

i've been on it for ten weeks with bad ass results

i am going for another 14 weeks

let's see what's up! =)

[simpleguy]

yes sir
ketogenic diet means high fats, high protein, no carbs
i've been on it for ten weeks with bad ass results
i am going for another 14 weeks
let's see what's up! =)

another 14? I thought you were only doing 16... cool!

[krazyassmexican]

another 14? I thought you were only doing 16... cool!

it was 16 but i decided i can handle more

[alkalineman]

what is a keto strip? where can I get one?

[alkalineman]

got up early, did elliptical. came home, ate and passed out. skipped a workout today to catch up on some much needed sleep. work in a couple hours, need to fit in another meal.

[spanish.iron]

it was 16 but i decided i can handle more

Just how shredded are you right now? How shredded do u plan on being?

[krazyassmexican]

Just how shredded are you right now? How shredded do u plan on being?

i am not really shredded
i weight 201

i am trying to go down to 175 or less

i need to start from scratch

[alkalineman]

I like your mentality. I've been in the iron game for 5 years and I am just now starting from scratch like you are, because nothing seemed to have worked in the past. It's a bitch, but it's my dream.

[BeastFromMiddleEast]

I'm doing ox's ketogenic diet, you can read up on it for the details. I thought I wouldn't just do it in silence, but shed light on it for anyone who is considering to try it. I'm about 230, 32% bodyfat (mostly in my midsection). I'm not cut by any means but I am about to finish in a couple days my Animal Cut/Stak 2 cycle. I also take the pak and fish oil and shit like that. I train balls to the wall everyday and get my ass up early in the morning to do elliptical and train with elliptical later in the day. Strict diet. I live in Gainesville, FL so I party maybe once every couple weeks, and I stick to straight Vodka with zero carbs and no cheating yet because I'm on my first week on the diet. This is not a log, as I will not go in depth, but will occasionally post my progress. any questions shoot

PS: if no one cares just say and I'll shut up


Why do you want to do KETO?
Contest prep, cutting? or for the sake of trying a new diet?

I would not recommend it, I felt like shit when i tried it for a month.

Stick to a healthy diet.

And VODKA will not aid your muscle gains, it will prohibit the Animal shouting at you. Don't ignore it, it is hard to ignore it, it talks to all of us.

Stay healthy, do what your body responds well too, not what another person's genetics are meant for.

Bodybuilding (competitive or uncompetitive doesn't matter) is a life long journey and you have to experiment with your body, so try it for a month, but if you see the SLIGHTEST LEAN MASS LOST, GET YOUR ASS OF THAT KETO!
There is no "maybes" when it comes to weight loss, get a mirror, get a scale, get a body caliper if you need one. Don't lie to yourself. Good luck.

Good luck with your journey

[krazyassmexican]

Why do you want to do KETO?
Contest prep, cutting? or for the sake of trying a new diet?

I would not recommend it, I felt like shit when i tried it for a month.

Stick to a healthy diet.

And VODKA will not aid your muscle gains, it will prohibit the Animal shouting at you. Don't ignore it, it is hard to ignore it, it talks to all of us.

Stay healthy, do what your body responds well too, not what another person's genetics are meant for.

Bodybuilding (competitive or uncompetitive doesn't matter) is a life long journey and you have to experiment with your body, so try it for a month, but if you see the SLIGHTEST LEAN MASS LOST, GET YOUR ASS OF THAT KETO!
There is no "maybes" when it comes to weight loss, get a mirror, get a scale, get a body caliper if you need one. Don't lie to yourself. Good luck.

Good luck with your journey


keto diet is healthy bro and yeah you feel like shit but if you do everything rite

u'll feel good after a few days not months i've been on the keto diet for 10 weeks now and i feel great i dont need carbs to survive that's why my liver is creating ketones

[krazyassmexican]

I like your mentality. I've been in the iron game for 5 years and I am just now starting from scratch like you are, because nothing seemed to have worked in the past. It's a bitch, but it's my dream.

same thing here bro
i was stuck on 230 for like 6 months

bro i got your back on this!

i'll be glad to see you overcome on this shit man
let's get it!

[BeastFromMiddleEast]

keto diet is healthy bro and yeah you feel like shit but if you do everything rite

u'll feel good after a few days not months i've been on the keto diet for 10 weeks now and i feel great i dont need carbs to survive that's why my liver is creating ketones

Everyone has their opinion.

Shit, as long as you guys are getting the results you desire, then go on and do it.

I wouldn't do it because Ketones don't run well with a combination of university and Animal training.

Good luck with your goals

[Feel The Power]

best of luck with the diet!! I have read a little bit about it, but still am fairly new to it. I know you are starting it and krazymexican has had awesome results doing it. If one of you get the chance would you be able to send me a link about the keto diet? Just curious what kinds of things to eat on it. I know OX has a link somewhere on it, but not sure where to find it. I am not on a cut cause I am bulking for winter, but I would definately like to try it in the near future. Every post I have read on it has given it high marks. Thanks and good luck.

Feel The Power

[Big Rich]

Keto diets work well.
The body can/will use carbs, alcohol and fat for fuel - In that order.
If you drink while in ketosis, your body will switch to the alcohol for fuel until it is used up and then go back to fat.
The booze will hammer you and truly fuck you up. You are hurting yourself and your gains while boozing in ketosis.

[krazyassmexican]

Keto diets work well.
The body can/will use carbs, alcohol and fat for fuel - In that order.
If you drink while in ketosis, your body will switch to the alcohol for fuel until it is used up and then go back to fat.
The booze will hammer you and truly fuck you up. You are hurting yourself and your gains while boozing in ketosis.

true that sir
that's the reason i said before
if you gotta party make sure it is alcohol free

[Jaymafin]

I was on a ketosis diet for 4 months. just came off last week as a matter of fact. I HIGHLY recommend this nutrition plan. Just a quick rundown I was 265 a year ago this month. got down to 245 by may. plateaued at 245. Read about the ketosis diet and that got me down to 195 with abs. dont know my bodyfat percentage and dont really care either. i just use the mirror as my judge. im the happiest and in the best shape in 7 years. if anyone has any questions hit me up about what worked and what did not, and some mistakes i made along the way.

[RooRooTJ]

I was on a ketosis diet for 4 months. just came off last week as a matter of fact. I HIGHLY recommend this nutrition plan. Just a quick rundown I was 265 a year ago this month. got down to 245 by may. plateaued at 245. Read about the ketosis diet and that got me down to 195 with abs. dont know my bodyfat percentage and dont really care either. i just use the mirror as my judge. im the happiest and in the best shape in 7 years. if anyone has any questions hit me up about what worked and what did not, and some mistakes i made along the way.

What was your typical diet like? Any good ideas for snacks during the day? That seems to be my biggest problem.

[krazyassmexican]

What was your typical diet like? Any good ideas for snacks during the day? That seems to be my biggest problem.

ur snacks should be the shakes if you are following ox's base

if not i think snacking on ground turkey would be a good option

[spanish.iron]

I was on a ketosis diet for 4 months. just came off last week as a matter of fact. I HIGHLY recommend this nutrition plan. Just a quick rundown I was 265 a year ago this month. got down to 245 by may. plateaued at 245. Read about the ketosis diet and that got me down to 195 with abs. dont know my bodyfat percentage and dont really care either. i just use the mirror as my judge. im the happiest and in the best shape in 7 years. if anyone has any questions hit me up about what worked and what did not, and some mistakes i made along the way.

I'm interested in what kinda mistakes u made along the way lol.

[alkalineman]

damn, wish I would have read into the alcohol more. The vodka was carb free, figured it would be fine. Won't do that again, maybe that's why I've felt shitty the past couple days. Had a pretty good back/bi/forearm workout today, no complaints. It took me a little longer to complete the workout because I almost fell asleep a couple times in between sets but that's it. All 4 wisdom teeth getting pulled in a couple days so not looking forward to being out of the gym and on pain killers but shit happens. Fish, eggs, protein shakes & peanut butter for a couple days there.

[adidamps2]

What was your typical diet like? Any good ideas for snacks during the day? That seems to be my biggest problem.

snacks on a keto diet can be of almost any form as long as it fits into your macro break down for the day.

i typically use almonds and 88% cocoa bars add in some whole hard boiled
(or raw egg shooters, if you prefer) liver tabs/liquid beef aminos/beef tabs would be a good addition here as well.

but typcally anything you can think of that fits the bill of a high fat/low-no carb food source is typically a good choice.

also if you choose a good protein mix(eggs/casien/maybe some whey) shake w/some coconut/flax/olive/safflower oil would be a good alternative.

i find whole foods tend to hold me over longer though than the shakes do.

[SolidTongan]

You should try supplementing it with L-Carnitine...or some form of Carnitine. It's basically what delivers tha fat to your body so that it may be used up for fuel.

[adidamps2]

You should try supplementing it with L-Carnitine...or some form of Carnitine. It's basically what delivers tha fat to your body so that it may be used up for fuel.

be better off using Beta alinine
L-carnitines uptake and use is basically shit...as it get converted over to BA 1st then the BA converts a portion of it back into L-Carnitine..cut the middle man out and just use BA.

[Jaymafin]

What was your typical diet like? Any good ideas for snacks during the day? That seems to be my biggest problem.

My diet was pretty simple. I dont like to put too much thought into this so i tend to eat close to the same thing every day. creature of habit i guess. i started at 345g protein (1 g per lb +100g) and 150g of healthy fat with greens and plenty of water. as i lost weight i adjusted accordingly. not sure if that was a mistake or not. i ate 8 meals cuz i was crazy hungry like every 2 hours. i never really had snacks always had a whole meal with me and if i didnt it was a shake and some almonds or natty pb. i ate lean ground beef, chicken, salmon, tuna, shakes, eggs. for fat i kept it pretty simple. almonds, various other nuts, olive oil, peanut oil, udos oil, natty pb, fat from whole eggs, avocados. greens were simple if it was green and from the earth i ate it. keep in mind though im no fuckin pro and 195 in my world isnt a respectable weight im just happy with the aesthetic outcome.

[Jaymafin]

I'm interested in what kinda mistakes u made along the way lol.

the biggest mistake, and there were def alot was i changed the way i lifted. i swore up and down i wouldnt but i did. i went from going heavy all the time rep range 4-10 and went for more reps 10-15. HUGE mistake. i lost a lot of power from doing this but its a lesson learned. lift heavy all the time and only change your diet. at times i got complacent. saw some results and i tended to throttle back, had i not had those times of weakness i wonder what could have been, possibly competition? didnt do as much cardio as i should have. I went to modells and bought this $200 stationary bike and put that bitch right next to my bed. i didnt use it as much as i should have. there would be some meals that i would lose focus on and not get the exact amount of fat intake and i know thats bad cuz you end up using protein for energy and not the fat. that didnt happen for any extended period of time. i would def put more focus into my nutrition preparation. i was prepared 95% percent of the time but that shit dont cut it. those are the biggest mistakes i made in the process. overall i am very happy with the results and next year when i do it again i wont make these mistakes.

[alkalineman]

A big mistake I'm making right now is trying to do too much. I felt like shit, took a couple days off and slept most through them. The next day back at the gym I was stronger than I've ever been, diet or not. I'm not sure if the keto switch has been flipped but it's probably soon. Tomorrow is a week and a half into ketosis. The day after that I'll be sleeping like a baby on pain killers after getting my wisdom teeth popped out.

[krazyassmexican]

A big mistake I'm making right now is trying to do too much. I felt like shit, took a couple days off and slept most through them. The next day back at the gym I was stronger than I've ever been, diet or not. I'm not sure if the keto switch has been flipped but it's probably soon. Tomorrow is a week and a half into ketosis. The day after that I'll be sleeping like a baby on pain killers after getting my wisdom teeth popped out.

ur not gonna be as strong as when u are on carbs

and hey dont give up you probably get stronger later
when ur body gets used to ketones
i hitted my 315lbs deadlift on ketosis

[Jaymafin]

ur not gonna be as strong as when u are on carbs

and hey dont give up you probably get stronger later
when ur body gets used to ketones
i hitted my 315lbs deadlift on ketosis


See i disagree with this, i think its all in your mind. before i switched to higher reps i was still increasing my weights. hitting heavier deads, squats and presses, among all the other lifts. i never stopped to consider i would lose strength. i only lost it when i switched. i think its all mental but hey who am i.

[spanish.iron]

See i disagree with this, i think its all in your mind. before i switched to higher reps i was still increasing my weights. hitting heavier deads, squats and presses, among all the other lifts. i never stopped to consider i would lose strength. i only lost it when i switched. i think its all mental but hey who am i.

I agree with this... Even though your burning fat for energy your muscles still store ATP and creatine phosphate for those low rep power sets. I don't see why you'd decrease in strength. My knowledge is pretty limited though, I haven't done any college studies on the body and nutrition or anything but that's my guess.

[Testpolska]

See i disagree with this, i think its all in your mind. before i switched to higher reps i was still increasing my weights. hitting heavier deads, squats and presses, among all the other lifts. i never stopped to consider i would lose strength. i only lost it when i switched. i think its all mental but hey who am i.

Your exactly right. People that go in thinking 'ok I'm dieting, I'm going to lose strength' Will lose strength. If you go in thinking PRs and Gains, Thats what you'll see, not as fast as in the off-season but there none the less. Its all mental.

[alkalineman]

Surgery went smoothly. All I've been able to get down is protein shakes and Vicodin. taking the next few days to rest. Hopefully this doesn't set me back too far.I tried posting this on Ox's stable but no reply. Anyone know if Red Wine Vinegar is ok to put on my spinach? I wasn't sure if it counted as a carb or not and don't want it to mess up my ketosis. Thanks brothers.

[alkalineman]

Anyone, idea on the vinegar issue? No one seems to want to answer?

[alkalineman]

i was told that the carbs in red wine vinegar is negligble and wouldn't screw with ketosis? true or false?

[adidamps2]

i was told that the carbs in red wine vinegar is negligble and wouldn't screw with ketosis? true or false?

true and false...it all depends on how many carbs you take in, in a day.

if it puts you over your thresh hold, then yes it may knock you out ketosis, however that could go for any foods you eaten for the day that contributed to the total carbs intake.

if you monitor your carb intake and you keep your carbs under say 100g ED you "SHOULD" be fine ketosis wise.

[alkalineman]

tomorrow is 3 weeks and 3 days. I've been inactive in the gym for about 3 or 4 days and just got back in today. I was really feeling like shit from the surgery and I think I picked up a cold with my immune system down. Tomorrow I'm going to try to get up early and hit the cardio and start my usual routine again. I've had a horrible headache for a couple days now, I think I need to eat a bit more than I am. Tomorrow is cheat meal day, my first "carb-up" or whatever you want to call it. It will be my first one so it's going to be extra special. I'm going to take in around 4,100 ALONE in the cheat meal, not including the rest of my days nutrition. I'm pretty sure I can eat it all in a couple hours as I've been getting some MEAN cravings in the past couple days. There was free pizza at work today (my favorite food) and I passed, so I feel pretty good about that. The cheat meal will consist heavily in the favor of carbohydrates, complex and simple, followed by protein and fat at a close third. Going to let my animal go wild.

[adidamps2]

tomorrow is 3 weeks and 3 days. I've been inactive in the gym for about 3 or 4 days and just got back in today. I was really feeling like shit from the surgery and I think I picked up a cold with my immune system down. Tomorrow I'm going to try to get up early and hit the cardio and start my usual routine again. I've had a horrible headache for a couple days now, I think I need to eat a bit more than I am. Tomorrow is cheat meal day, my first "carb-up" or whatever you want to call it. It will be my first one so it's going to be extra special. I'm going to take in around 4,100 ALONE in the cheat meal, not including the rest of my days nutrition. I'm pretty sure I can eat it all in a couple hours as I've been getting some MEAN cravings in the past couple days. There was free pizza at work today (my favorite food) and I passed, so I feel pretty good about that. The cheat meal will consist heavily in the favor of carbohydrates, complex and simple, followed by protein and fat at a close third. Going to let my animal go wild.

dont undo everything you've just doen in one meal bro.
be sensable about it.

[alkalineman]

really, you think it will all be undone? I read on the Ox's thread that you should hit the carbs pretty hard, and that it's important?

[adidamps2]

really, you think it will all be undone? I read on the Ox's thread that you should hit the carbs pretty hard, and that it's important?

you said you're going to eat 4000+ calories in just A cheat meal alone, not counting the rest of the day.

thats pretty extreme IMO.

but hey, i'm not here to stop ya. just trying to help.

[Giant Killer]

4000, hooooly shit bro', I'd go 2000 if you want to go extreme.

[alecto42]

The problem with such a radical calorie dense meal/day is that ketosis focuses on the supression of hormones and release of new replacing hormones. By increasing calories this dramtically it dispells what your goal is (fat loss). Also, the name of the game regardless of cutting or bulking is calories in vs. calories out. That being said, one day of calories going over your breakdowns, is going to spill over onto another day, and if it goes over that day, onto the next.. Basically you shouldnt measure what happens from day to day, but from week to week. So if your going to eat that much y do damage to 3 days, when you can reduce the amount and get solid meals in.

I look at cheating this way

I eat 8 meals a day everyday

8x7(days of the week) = 56, so ill take 1 meal off, and eat 55 clean meals and 1 cheat meal

thats a 98%, and if its not contest prep, i see nothing wrong with that.

Now if those 8 meals of that day you decide to cheat on are unhealthy, and calorie over-dosing, than that equates to 87%... If you want a B physique, which i doubt that is what a day can do to you.. Keep your head up but keep it on right...

DONT MAKE THIS YOUR LIFE, Simply your lifestyle!

[alkalineman]

thanks for saving me from my destruction! i'll definently cut out 2,000 cals and the meal will be a bit under 2,000. thanks guys!

[Feel The Power]

be strong man! i would stay on the diet according to what everyone else said. if your not recovered fully from surgery just keep the training light and listen to your body. I've been reading your threads and krazymexicans on the keto diet. I appreciate you keeping track of it all. I am planning on trying this diet the end of december. keep it up and we got your back.

Feel The Power

[Jaymafin]

I live in Gainesville, FL so I party maybe once every couple weeks, and I stick to straight Vodka with zero carbs and no cheating yet because I'm on my first week on the diet.

PS: if no one cares just say and I'll shut up



Yo just thought i would share this story with you bro. Well its yet another mistake i made on the last day of keto diet. It was not this last sunday the one before that i had a good friends stag. it was my last day of 4 months of keto so i thought i would let loose for some beers and a couple shots. BIG mistake. long story short i blacked out ended up hitting my head really bad and now have a neck injury to show for it. all on the volume of alcohol that used to get me a buzz. i dont drink often maybe once every six months but i know that is not why. this really bothered me because i despise people who cant control themselves and thats what i appreared to be that night. i did some research and found similar things happen to people on the bodybuilding.com forum. search "alcohol keto" and you can read for yourself. long story short STAY AWAY from the alcohol no matter when but especially while on keto diets.

[alkalineman]

glad I heard that, was considering having a few mich ultras with my cheat meal tonight. maybe a secret admirer slipped you a roofie

[alkalineman]

just pounded around 1,600 cals in a meal in about 20 minutes. almost fell asleep half through and wanted to puke after but I fought it off. I may have 1/4 pint ice cream in the next 30 min or so. My stomach definently has shrunk because normally I would have no problems at all with a meal of that magnitude. Definently wouldn't recommend it for anyone else on a keto diet unless your really hungry or something.

[alkalineman]

very good workout today. was very lethargic and felt sick to my stomach when I got up and for a good 3-4 hours but I made myself get up off my ass and hit the gym. I don't know if it was from the cheat meal the night before, because I've had many similar mornings. Girlfriend keeps complimenting that I look tighter and more muscular, and my "chest looks more like pecs now". I guess before they looked like boobs? I'm sure I am losing a good amount of muscle but I'm sure in the end it will be worth it. until next time..

[alkalineman]

For the record, I'm on week 3 day 5, and I've went from 233 lbs to 226 lbs and went from about 35-37% bf to about 31-32% bodyfat. Not bad for a few weeks. This diet is by far the best thing I could have done for myself. I've tried dieting in the past with low carbs, and the same amount of training and saw little results, especially as quick as the keto diet is working. Not to mention I was getting real sick of eating oatmeal every morning and sweet potato and bland rice all day long. The diet tastes much better and is a whole hell of a lot easier to stomach. Would recommend this diet to anyone who needs to lose a lot of bodyfat while still retaining most of your muscle. I have to admit that all I dream about AND daydream about is that first couple weeks of rebounding into growth with tasty, calorie dense food. Whenever I go into the gym, sure I want to be massive and shaking the grounds when the weight hits it, but one step at a time. First I need to work on losing this stubborn fat I've had for a while. Of course the bodybuilders goal is to be big AND ripped, but I think it's important to focus on one goal at a time (via the bulk/cut cycle). I've tried bulking before and sure I've had explosive gains in mass and strength that I was proud of, but I had to pull my shirt down over my gut whenever I laid on a bench or did lat pulldowns.

[Pokoritel]

Great results bro. I cant wait to start this thing. Its gonna be awesome.

[Jaymafin]

when you come off your keto be very careful when adding the carbs back in. do it in at most 200 calorie per5-7 day cycles. your body may be very insulin sensative and your muscles somewhat insulin resistant. so it could end up being stored as fat and not glycogen. i read this in a keto book and actually did 200 calories of carbs to see if it was true and i did notice a bit of a fat gain after a week. all the while on clean carbs. so be careful coming off.

[alkalineman]

i'll keep the rebound in mind, but that is far off and Ishouldn't be thinking about things that don't pertain to my current goals. I think I look a little puffier a couple days after eating my cheat meal. It may just be my mind playing tricks on me, as I felt a little guilty afterwards. Next meal will definently be smaller. I'm thinking a few pieces of pizza, a casear salad w/ croutons & some ice cream.

[Seifer]

I've been reading your first 3 pages so far, and it sounds right on. This past Spring I managed to loose over 30lb of fat doing the very same diet.



Even now I have about 10 more lb to loose before I stop and begin bulking, and the same things happen to my body.


The tight feeling when your body is low on carbs, and the bloated/flat feeling when you start to carb back up again.

I did notice, though, that you mentioned the 'feelings' you get on the first page of this thread...dizziness, irritated, groggy, whatever - those went away for me after about 3 days into each cycle. They are especially harsh if I had consumed 'bad carbs' during my carb days (which for me were 18-30 hrs long).


In any case, good luck with it man. Some say this diet isnt the best way to go, maybe its not. But you can loose alot of fat and still gain muscle with it. I did.

[alkalineman]

very explosive leg workout today. I think my problem was I was sleeping TOO MUCH. I believe this is the reason why I've been groggy. Also I found out the chicken I've been eating at work is packaged with artifical flavors and preservatives and can include, but may not, are things like sugar, maltodextrin, and dextrose. So I'm going to stop eating that and see if I feel any better. worked out my neck a little too after legs.

all lifts are slowly but steadily increasing with my dialed in diet and training. muscle is up VERY SLIGHTLY and body fat dropping consistently.

[alkalineman]

cardio first thing when i get up for 45, and did chest today and did 20min cardio after with abs. This is the first day since I started the diet I tried to go really heavy on chest and pulled something in my back. It's pretty painful, hopefully I can heal from it and be back in the gym tomorrow. It's the kind of pain where if i turn my head down, left or right it hurts. I may have compromised form for weight, but I tried my best.

just wanted to add that it is on the right side, and also pain when I raise my right arm

[krazyassmexican]

cardio first thing when i get up for 45, and did chest today and did 20min cardio after with abs. This is the first day since I started the diet I tried to go really heavy on chest and pulled something in my back. It's pretty painful, hopefully I can heal from it and be back in the gym tomorrow. It's the kind of pain where if i turn my head down, left or right it hurts. I may have compromised form for weight, but I tried my best.

be careful bro
we dont want injuries

we got another war to win

dont go heavy till you are 100% sure ur gonna make it
hopefully the thing on your back aint nothing serious

[alkalineman]

i see you say your 160x4 on bench is whack. I have a shitty bench too for some reason. I have horrible genetics, everyone in my family is either deathly skinny or horribly obese with high blood pressure. On the other hand, you get me on a leg press, stack the plates as far as you want and I'll find a way to get it up. Same goes for the deadlift, one of my favorite lifts. I'm also pretty strong on squat. When it comes to my chest, I'm definently lacking. Everyone tells me I have huge arms and I work them out the same as any body part.

[Pokoritel]

cardio first thing when i get up for 45, and did chest today and did 20min cardio after with abs. This is the first day since I started the diet I tried to go really heavy on chest and pulled something in my back. It's pretty painful, hopefully I can heal from it and be back in the gym tomorrow. It's the kind of pain where if i turn my head down, left or right it hurts. I may have compromised form for weight, but I tried my best.

just wanted to add that it is on the right side, and also pain when I raise my right arm

Sucks about the injury. Heal up quick and go light. I just started this diet...I am not doing any exercise for less then 6 reps just to be safe.

[alkalineman]

Didnd't want to believe it would but it did, I'm out of the gym for today. Don't want to worsen it, it's still pretty painful and don't want to aggravate it. I think what happened was I arched my back on the last rep to try to heave the barbell up. Was an idiot and tested my strength so soon into my diet and probably didn't warm up fully.

On a side note, does anyone swear by push ups? I very rarely do them, maybe once every few weeks. It always slips my mind to do them on chest day.

[krazyassmexican]

Didnd't want to believe it would but it did, I'm out of the gym for today. Don't want to worsen it, it's still pretty painful and don't want to aggravate it. I think what happened was I arched my back on the last rep to try to heave the barbell up. Was an idiot and tested my strength so soon into my diet and probably didn't warm up fully.

On a side note, does anyone swear by push ups? I very rarely do them, maybe once every few weeks. It always slips my mind to do them on chest day.

heal up soon brother
if you can

do some cardio so you get rid of ketones and keep your goal

[alkalineman]

couldn't fall asleep last night. can't be stims because I forgot my second dose of animal cuts because I was researching PH's, PCT/SERM all day. Still managed to get up early now im hitting cardio

[alkalineman]

burned about 1,000 calories total doing cardio today not to mention the arm workout I had. Cheat meal tonight consisting of:

2 pieces dominos pizza (pepperoni,mushroom,green pepper)
small caeser salad
1/4 pint Sticky toffee pudding Hagen daz ice cream
Potatoes and Onions cooked in oil and butter
One Protein Delight cookie (i think the brand is sci-tech or something)

[alkalineman]

anyone else hate when you wake up late. I got a pounding headache, i feel groggy, and I know I will for the rest of the day. Those sci-tech cookies were set to expire in a week (maybe why I got them free) and i took one bite and threw them all away. Disguisting. I work at five so hopefully I can eat really quick and head off to the gym. I need to get in a routine with the animal cuts, a couple days I forgot the second dose, 1 day I forgot the first. Today I accidently took my calcium and fish oil before the cuts, so I slammed them all at the same time. I still haven't got back into a solid routine like before the wisdom teeth surgery.

[ChandlerXJ]

you should clean up your cheat meal bro...

go for like 12 ounces of diced yams
1/4 cup of rice
1/2 cup of apple sauce
and fucking 12 ounce steak

pizza?
pudding ice cream?
what are you doing!!! lol

[krazyassmexican]

you should clean up your cheat meal bro...

go for like 12 ounces of diced yams
1/4 cup of rice
1/2 cup of apple sauce
and fucking 12 ounce steak

pizza?
pudding ice cream?
what are you doing!!! lol

cheat meal is a cheat meal
eat shit if you want!

[ChandlerXJ]

krazy you're nuts. here is my new cheat meal just for you...

2 cheezy gordida crunches from taco bell
10 RAW cookie dough squares
1 can of cinnimon bunzzz
coca-cola
8 oz of chicken

mmmmmm my mouth is watering bro!

[krazyassmexican]

krazy you're nuts. here is my new cheat meal just for you...

2 cheezy gordida crunches from taco bell
10 RAW cookie dough squares
1 can of cinnimon bunzzz
coca-cola
8 oz of chicken

mmmmmm my mouth is watering bro!

bro trust me
being in ketosis means
going insane bro
you cant wait to have a chance to cheat and eat whatever the hell u been dreaming about

and again
cheat means CHEAT!

why eating my cheat meal CLEAN
when i've been doing it the whole week?
besides

cheat meal is the last meal of whatever day you pick

which means
after it your gonna go to sleep
which means you insuline levels would go back to normal in your sleep without major problems

[alkalineman]

I don't want to sound mean or anything because I respect everyones opinion. I got the idea for pizza from Vinny on Ox's stable. The meal doesn't seem that bad to me. The ice cream isn't even that bad for you, just milk and cream. I eat steak every day so I'm not going to add a "meat" like that to my cheat meal because I eat that shit 3 times a day. The yams and rice seems like a good idea if I'm not really craving anything. You also have to look at the portions of food I'm eating. 2 small pieces of pizza isn't anything, and 1/4 pint ice cream isn't much either. The small caeser salad was very low on calories and carbs, mostly fat. Apple sauce is just high fructose corn syrup and sugar, doesn't really appeal to me even if I wasn't on a diet. I'd like to hear more comments on this, as I don't want to be fucking up my body if the cheat meals I'm having are that bad. Thanks for everyones opinion

[simpleguy]

no problem bro, as long as you don't eat a whole pizza, two slices are really ok, and it's not really that much ice-cream, go on and enjoy your cheat meal

[krazyassmexican]

I don't want to sound mean or anything because I respect everyones opinion. I got the idea for pizza from Vinny on Ox's stable. The meal doesn't seem that bad to me. The ice cream isn't even that bad for you, just milk and cream. I eat steak every day so I'm not going to add a "meat" like that to my cheat meal because I eat that shit 3 times a day. The yams and rice seems like a good idea if I'm not really craving anything. You also have to look at the portions of food I'm eating. 2 small pieces of pizza isn't anything, and 1/4 pint ice cream isn't much either. The small caeser salad was very low on calories and carbs, mostly fat. Apple sauce is just high fructose corn syrup and sugar, doesn't really appeal to me even if I wasn't on a diet. I'd like to hear more comments on this, as I don't want to be fucking up my body if the cheat meals I'm having are that bad. Thanks for everyones opinion

brother
trust me i am on my week 12 already
and CHEAT!
LOL
dont count dont clean
just cheat
it actually helps your metabolism

check
about for weeks ago i had this cheat meal
13oz of beef fajitas
5table spoons of pasta
2slices of pizza
like 4oz of carnitas (like fried pork)
and tons of salsa

that shit was big
and going from 230lbs to 195lbs i think it is still progress

[alkalineman]

today is wk4/day4 and i've lost 10lbs, and my gf says I look a lot bigger. Before I started this diet .I could barely lift her, now I can pick her up, curl her about 10 times and throw her across the room onto a bed. She weighs 120 and 5'8

[krazyassmexican]

today is wk4/day4 and i've lost 10lbs, and my gf says I look a lot bigger. Before I started this diet .I could barely lift her, now I can pick her up, curl her about 10 times and throw her across the room onto a bed. She weighs 120 and 5'8

that's progress brother

my grandma tells me i look big and lean at the same time
i'll try to post some pics on my journey this weekend ;)

[alkalineman]

I know what you mean by big and lean. I think that's the goal for every bodybuilder, and that's why there is cycles to bulk and then cut fat while keeping mass. I want to be huge and lift a lot of weight but my goal right now is to in a sense prime myself for that mass cycle by getting lean and looking good first. By looking at me you can't tell I weigh over 220, but if you see my midsection with my shirt off you know where it is. I think I hit PR's on my back today.

[krazyassmexican]

I know what you mean by big and lean. I think that's the goal for every bodybuilder, and that's why there is cycles to bulk and then cut fat while keeping mass. I want to be huge and lift a lot of weight but my goal right now is to in a sense prime myself for that mass cycle by getting lean and looking good first. By looking at me you can't tell I weigh over 220, but if you see my midsection with my shirt off you know where it is. I think I hit PR's on my back today.

we got the same goals brother
and the heart to overcome!

[alkalineman]

did cardio this morning, had a really good shoulder/delt/trap workout. I'm pretty sure I hit PR's. The core lifts, bench, squat and deadlift are down because when I was bulking I got those up to PR's a long time ago, so it will take a lot of work to hit PRs on those. Skipped cardio after working out because I didn't have enough time and frankly it's damn boring and didn't want to do it anyway.

[alkalineman]

today was sort of a make-up day. Hit a few different exercises I may have skipped over or not hit hard enough. Finished with 45 min cardio while watching the UF Gators game. I made a bunch of chicken with Mrs. Dash Chipotle, and it's been causing horrible stomach discomfort. I'm usually good with spicy foods, maybe I'm just not use to it. It's great losing weight, retaining muscle and having rising strength all at the same time. I picked up some Hypderdrol X2 and may start a cycle on Monday.

[Feel The Power]

I noticed whenever i cut down people think i look bigger too. I lost 22lbs last year and people thought I was alot heavier than what I was. Its a good feeling and plus you don't feel as bulked up. It sounds like you are making good progress. Keep at it. I'm bulking but still been doing cardio just to keep the gut down. Thats where my fat likes to hide also... go figure. After new years gonna cut so kind of excited about that in a sick way. lol. Keep up the good work!!

[alkalineman]

Yeah I know what you mean about getting excited to cut. You think it's going to be nice that you can look even better than you did when you were bulking. It's a damn nightmare not being able to eat what you want. I just want some good old fashioned spaghetti and meatballs, but no, I have to wait until my cheat day. All I think about everyday is bulking, not so much the eating part, but the strength and mass and sense of power you get from eating heavy carbs and hitting the bench with all that extra energy to waste. I dream about it every night and it's driving me nuts! But then again, I MUST get my stomach flat, or I'll DIE trying. Until next time...

[simpleguy]

hey bro, please, stop thinking about carbs all day long... it's the only way... it's extremely difficult, but find that spark that will push you to victory, read some articles maybe on this forvm and find a way to stay extremely motivated... we're all here to support you

[alkalineman]

starting hyperdrol x2 today, hopefully it can push me through a few more weeks with more energy.

[alkalineman]

I started Hyperdrol X2 and GH max today, and I don't know what it was for sure, probably the hyper, but I had a REALLY good workout. I believe i hit PR's on my back again and while I was doing elliptical and my upper back was getting major pumps. When I was doing the elliptical I felt really dialed in and ready to workout more after I did a full back routine. It's like taking a pre-workout shake every 3 hours and having that dialed in energy all day. Works for me!

[alkalineman]

looks like the wednesday cheat will be
a piece of chicken with caribbean jerk barbecue sauce
a bowl of spaghetti and meatballs
can of mandarin oranges
either a 1/4 pint icecream or some other kind of fruit

[Feel The Power]

you have made good progress. make sure you enjoy that cheat bro!


looks like the wednesday cheat will be
a piece of chicken with caribbean jerk barbecue sauce
a bowl of spaghetti and meatballs
can of mandarin oranges
either a 1/4 pint icecream or some other kind of fruit

[ChandlerXJ]

looks good man, my girlfriend just started keto today. She has barely any fat on her, she just wants her abs to come out again, they used to be ripped to shreds.

[alkalineman]

I'm recently getting a ton more hours at work and it's screwing me up. I work 5 until around 11, so I don't get home until around 11:15 and have to eat something and try to get to bed. I usually don't fall asleep for 30min to an hour so that sucks. So if I have to be up late I can't get up until late. I can't make myself get up in the morning, don't know what's wrong with me. I've tried taking days off from the gym, not getting up early and doing cardio, nothing works. I still feel like shit. The diet is lacking because I'm getting literally sick to my stomach from eating the same shit everyday. So I've been missing a meal or so the past few days. I try to make up for it by eating a small snack every now and then. It's wk5/day2 and I've lost like 12 lbs but my bodyfat reader is going up and down not making sense. I look A LOT tighter, my legs have shrunk probably from the elliptical and my upper body looks tighter. When I look in the mirror I think to myself, and I just losing all my muscle and keeping the fat? Shit I hope not, but we'll see. This shit is not easy, I have to find a way to want to eat, because right now I could definently do without it. But I need to eat to live, eat to bust my ass in the gym. I must find a way to keep this going, because I won't give up now.

[krazyassmexican]

remember bro
in the first two weeks you lose water
besides

the only fat % reader that you should trust is a fuckin doctor measuring it for you

[ChandlerXJ]

how's it going bro

[Pokoritel]

I'm recently getting a ton more hours at work and it's screwing me up. I work 5 until around 11, so I don't get home until around 11:15 and have to eat something and try to get to bed. I usually don't fall asleep for 30min to an hour so that sucks. So if I have to be up late I can't get up until late. I can't make myself get up in the morning, don't know what's wrong with me. I've tried taking days off from the gym, not getting up early and doing cardio, nothing works. I still feel like shit. The diet is lacking because I'm getting literally sick to my stomach from eating the same shit everyday. So I've been missing a meal or so the past few days. I try to make up for it by eating a small snack every now and then. It's wk5/day2 and I've lost like 12 lbs but my bodyfat reader is going up and down not making sense. I look A LOT tighter, my legs have shrunk probably from the elliptical and my upper body looks tighter. When I look in the mirror I think to myself, and I just losing all my muscle and keeping the fat? Shit I hope not, but we'll see. This shit is not easy, I have to find a way to want to eat, because right now I could definently do without it. But I need to eat to live, eat to bust my ass in the gym. I must find a way to keep this going, because I won't give up now.

Use the mirror bro forget about the bf% crap. I am on my second week now on the keto. Its getting tougher...the food has no taste...and I am tired as well. Just hang in there and keep kicken ass. It's will soon be over with. Peace

[Feel The Power]

how things going boss? we all got your back. hang in there

[ChandlerXJ]

what's your cardio routine looking like bro? You should up it man... How much lean mass are you eating for? Like, whats your basis weight you based the protein off of?

[ChandlerXJ]

dude? are you alive!? IN KETOSISSSS

[Brockw.]

I'm recently getting a ton more hours at work and it's screwing me up. I work 5 until around 11, so I don't get home until around 11:15 and have to eat something and try to get to bed. I usually don't fall asleep for 30min to an hour so that sucks. So if I have to be up late I can't get up until late. I can't make myself get up in the morning, don't know what's wrong with me. I've tried taking days off from the gym, not getting up early and doing cardio, nothing works. I still feel like shit. The diet is lacking because I'm getting literally sick to my stomach from eating the same shit everyday. So I've been missing a meal or so the past few days. I try to make up for it by eating a small snack every now and then. It's wk5/day2 and I've lost like 12 lbs but my bodyfat reader is going up and down not making sense. I look A LOT tighter, my legs have shrunk probably from the elliptical and my upper body looks tighter. When I look in the mirror I think to myself, and I just losing all my muscle and keeping the fat? Shit I hope not, but we'll see. This shit is not easy, I have to find a way to want to eat, because right now I could definently do without it. But I need to eat to live, eat to bust my ass in the gym. I must find a way to keep this going, because I won't give up now.


We're Dyin' for an update bud, I've been tracking your journey since the start and I want to hear about how good it feels at the end. Your thread has been a big reason for me to want to look closer and do some more research into the diet, for when I give it a shot.

You've got this bro.

brock

[simpleguy]

what's going on bro, give us some updates at least about you , how's it going?

[wsuiron]

krazy, i am directing this to you since you seem to be the expert on ketosis. I was wondering which diet will allow you to retain the most muscle, ketosis or carb cycling. I started my cut at 240 and after 3 weeks i am down to 231 with about 16% body fat. I read the results with ketosis are amazing but if I end up losing more muscle with ketosis than carb cycling i dont see it being worth it.

[krazyassmexican]

krazy, i am directing this to you since you seem to be the expert on ketosis. I was wondering which diet will allow you to retain the most muscle, ketosis or carb cycling. I started my cut at 240 and after 3 weeks i am down to 231 with about 16% body fat. I read the results with ketosis are amazing but if I end up losing more muscle with ketosis than carb cycling i dont see it being worth it.

ketosis is not glycogen dependant
you got nothing to lose but fat
unless you are runnin like crazy or doing hit cardio which is glycogen dependant

do low impact cardio and train heavy while on ketosis
and say bye to body fat

[wsuiron]

so no simple carbs postworkout? And i am free to eat fibrous veggies right?

[ChandlerXJ]

Crazy I know you're with me on this...

Why does everyone ask if you can have carbs PWO?

The diet is laid out on my thread - just do EXACTLY what is laid out - nothing to it but that.

FORGET carbs, you won't even crave them after the 4th,5th week...

trust the process...

I'm 5 weeks on the diet, prepping for a show. If you have a question, hit me up on my prep thread.

[krazyassmexican]

so no simple carbs postworkout? And i am free to eat fibrous veggies right?

no carbs PERIOD
and limit your veggie intake

you are only allowed to eat great veggies