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Universal Rep
03-18-08, 2:22 pm
Fellas, if you got a product stack in mind, if you want specific feedback and suggestions, or even help on getting one together, post it here.

How To Build Your Animal "Stack"
If you have questions on building the right Animal "stack" for you, how go go about it, start by reading this thread here (http://forum.animalpak.com/showthread.php?t=16007).

Checking Out Other Members' "Stacks"
If you want specific stack suggestions from other members of the Legion or want to post your own, go here (http://forum.animalpak.com/showthread.php?t=178).




Let's talk "stacking" fellas...

G Diesel
03-18-08, 2:50 pm
My current stack is...

Pak and Flex in the AM with my early meals.

Pump and M-Stak preworkout.

Nitro postworkout with my Torrent, glutamine, beta alanine cocktail.

Pak: A growing boy needs his vitamins and minerals. Gotta cover your ass.

Flex: I am not, in fact, indestructible.

Pump: I'm a power bodybuilder so I have to take my creatine and I hate drinking creatine mixes. Plus, the pump is what life is all about.

M-Stak: Non-hormonal anabolic? Sounds good. If I'm not using a test booster, I want to have a little something extra up my sleeve. Gives a good shot of leucine preworkout as well.

Nitro: A concentrated dose of EAAs taken along with the rest of my postworkout supps can't do anything but help further promote anabolism.

Within the next couple of weeks, I'll add Test to the mix, either as an alternative to M-Stak or right along with it. Peace, G

Wasteland
03-18-08, 2:57 pm
Current stack is:

Animal Pak (breakfast)--the basics
Animal Pump (preworkout, 30 minutes)--the creatine and focus
Animal Flex (lunch)--my joints need them
Animal Nitro (immediately PWO)--EAAs, can't beat them
Torrent (20-30 minutes after Nitro)--quick-acting nutrition, followed up with my regular meal.

I'll occasionally throw in Uni-Liver with meals, but not always. This is pretty much my basic, everyday stack. Depending on my short or medium term goals, I'll add other products (for example, when bulking, then I add Real Gains and M-Stak).

I will be adding Animal Omega as soon as it hits. I'll take a pack with my dinner.

Universal Rep
03-18-08, 3:00 pm
You don't want to see my current "stack" fellas, hahaha...


Let's see your stack fellas. And for others, put your thoughts down here and get some valuable feedback...

RogueLion
03-18-08, 3:05 pm
Morning:Cuts
W/first meal: Pak
Later: 3 NOX3
Pre Workout:Cuts
Post workout: Torrent/Bcaa
Later: 3 NOX3
With meals: Uniliver.

After cuts is up will add mstak into the equation.

Universal Rep
03-18-08, 3:08 pm
Morning:Cuts
W/first meal: Pak
Later: 3 NOX3
Pre Workout:Cuts
Post workout: Torrent/Bcaa
Later: 3 NOX3
With meals: Uniliver.

After cuts is up will add mstak into the equation.

Switching over to preserve/add some lean mass, R?

Gambit
03-18-08, 3:12 pm
My Stack.

Pak: morning, as soon as I wake up and roll outta bed
Flex: first meal

M.Stak: preworkout
EAA stack, BCAA stack, and Storm: mid-workout
Torrent: post workout

Gonna pick up some Nitro when I get home over Easter

Short, sweet, simple, and powerful.

Ricky P
03-18-08, 3:17 pm
I talked with Big Wides about it, and we came up with this as my next stack:

Pak
Pump
GH Max
Natural Sterol Complex
Uniliver
Torrent
and a large amount of food.

I'm placing the order later this week unless anyone thinks there's something I can add/deduct from the big boy stack that is in place here....

Lunatic001
03-18-08, 3:19 pm
1st meal: Pak, 365 days
2nd meal: Flex, for maintence of the joints

Pre workout: Shock/EAA, to get ready
During workout: Storm/BCAA
PWO: Shake (protein&carbs)

Before Bed: Storm, second dose (been working for me)

Mr.Totality
03-18-08, 3:24 pm
Here we go, I have another oder on the way

Cuts first thing upon waking
Pak with breakfast
Stack pre workout
Another Cuts depending upon when my schedule allows for the lift
Also, cassein prior to bed

DMH56308
03-18-08, 3:49 pm
I'm an early AM animal
3:30: test :with protein shake/chix breast or some sort of meat/uniliver
4:15: Pump
post workout (EAA's watermelon before doing cardio) Torrent after all done
7:00 Pak with first meal

LittleMan55
03-18-08, 3:56 pm
Nitro pre work out and test currently (it will be M-Stak when this can is empty)
Storm, BCAA sack in gatorade (Big Ant's drink) During
Torrent Post

I train in the a.m. before school

40 minutes after that its Real Gains, Pak, Flex

later in the day about 2:00 p.m. I take Stak

Universal Rep
03-18-08, 4:10 pm
I talked with Big Wides about it, and we came up with this as my next stack:

Pak
Pump
GH Max
Natural Sterol Complex
Uniliver
Torrent
and a large amount of food.

I'm placing the order later this week unless anyone thinks there's something I can add/deduct from the big boy stack that is in place here....

Last is the most important, but other than that, looks solid. Assume you're on a bulk?

IRBS
03-18-08, 4:52 pm
Pak in the A.M.
Real Gains (2-3 times per day)
Uniliver with 2 meals
Shock Therapy (best pre wo supp around)
Storm
Food, Food, Food

I'm not really a supplement junkie anymore, I just get the essentials.

Gambit
03-18-08, 4:57 pm
Damn, I forgot.


Uni-Liver, 4 pills with every meal

Universal Rep
03-18-08, 5:02 pm
Pak in the A.M.
Real Gains (2-3 times per day)
Uniliver with 2 meals
Shock Therapy (best pre wo supp around)
Storm
Food, Food, Food

I'm not really a supplement junkie anymore, I just get the essentials.

Uh, can't believe you're not on Flex... What's the matter, I? You're a role model and a powerlifter... C'mon now, hahahaha...

IRBS
03-18-08, 5:10 pm
Uh, can't believe you're not on Flex... What's the matter, I? You're a role model and a powerlifter... C'mon now, hahahaha...

LOL, I ran out a couple weeks ago, it's on my list when I get some cash (LOL, keeping my supp cabinet full comes secondary to feeding the wife and paying the bills!, LOL!)! I got you covered U-Rep!! LOL

brandonA
03-18-08, 5:21 pm
Early AM/Pre workout - UniSys shake, NSC, CrysinX and green tea

Post workout/Breakfast - off brand animos, Torrent, Pak, fishoil

Lunch - NSC, fishoil

Dinner - NSC, fishoil

That is about it...probley will switch to Animal Omega when it comes out, in place of the fishoil...

-B

Universal Rep
03-18-08, 5:25 pm
LOL, I ran out a couple weeks ago, it's on my list when I get some cash (LOL, keeping my supp cabinet full comes secondary to feeding the wife and paying the bills!, LOL!)! I got you covered U-Rep!! LOL

See, this is the first problem, the wife, hahahahaha....

Universal Rep
03-18-08, 5:26 pm
Early AM/Pre workout - UniSys shake, NSC, CrysinX and green tea

Post workout/Breakfast - off brand animos, Torrent, Pak, fishoil

Lunch - NSC, fishoil

Dinner - NSC, fishoil

That is about it...probley will switch to Animal Omega when it comes out, in place of the fishoil...

-B

Probably????

IRBS
03-18-08, 5:33 pm
See, this is the first problem, the wife, hahahahaha....

LOL!

brandonA
03-18-08, 5:56 pm
Probably????

Got me a little problem called an Adjustable Rate Mortage...so ya....probably is the best i can do at this point....sorry...

-B

Mr.Totality
03-18-08, 6:22 pm
Got me a little problem called an Adjustable Rate Mortage...so ya....probably is the best i can do at this point....sorry...

-B

seriously I know that story. Thats why you get what you can when you can

Hoffdogg
03-18-08, 8:24 pm
With Breakfast - Pak, Natural Sterol Complex, Fish oil (you know Omega will replace this fish oil)

Pre Workout - Natural Sterol Complex, then my drink with Shock, Glutamine, Taurine, Beta Alanine, EAA Stack

Post Workout - Storm, Glutamine, Taurine, Beta Alanine, EAA Stack, Wazy Maize, Whey

Post Workout Meal - Flex, Fish Oil, Natural Sterol Complex, 1g Vitamin C

Bedtime - ZMA Pro


Cardio mornings at 5A I take BCAA Stack and Carni Tech pre.

Elite
03-18-08, 8:48 pm
PAK - Essential, bases covered, love the smell.
M-Stak - Everything a growing lad (18+) needs to guide there bulk towards lean mass.
Test - Im in DOMS heaven with this baby, and feeling stronger, looking bigger to boot!
Shock Therapy - Explosive pumps and energy.
Nitro - Specialised Amino's do the bizz post w/o. Also handy for emergency use.
Torrent - Post w/o covered and a taste sensation.
EAA Stack - Watermelon is the flavour of the month, cost efficient and great any time of day.

Also 1g Vit-C Twice daily, Omega 3,6,9's, ZMA, Beat Alanine. Always have Storm around, use it on off days, or when Torrent runs out. Got N1-T on standby for use in 3 days time.

Im a very loyal customer ;)
Only use 'other brand Whey', and generic bulk powders such as Glutamine, Beta Alanine.

Boz
03-18-08, 9:01 pm
Cuts first thing in am then again midday
Pak, Uniliver, generic Omega(for now)with first meal
Stak preworkout
Big Ant's Animal Aide during workout
Nitro thirty minutes prior to end and Torrent post workout
Uniliver with other solid meals
Flex after dinner
ZMA before bed

Lots of food and busting my ass in the gym. I'm not the biggest guy in the gym but I train like I am.

Hoomgar
03-19-08, 9:43 am
Let me see if I can get this right here on the FORVM since I totally screwed it up over on bb.com.

I am only listing my current stack. I just got done running a Test/Stak/M-Stak cycle last month so I was kind of idling off the Test boosters for a bit. I'm about ready to put together a new stack shortly. For now, this is my stack:

Animal:
Pak
Flex

Universal:
Storm
Torrent
Tribulus Pro
NOX3
Uni-Liver

I am also logging a fat burner/thermogenic right now but that will be done tomorrow.

I take other base supplements like protein, ZMA, Melatonin, 5-HTP a few other things that are off and on but I don't consider this part of "the stack"

Big Wides
03-19-08, 10:23 am
AM - Pak, hasnt let me down in 8 years
Preworkout - Pump
Postworkout - Torrent
Fish Oils

Thats basically my standard stack to have always have those 4, I'll throw extras in when I feel like it, coming up when I decide to place an order, I will be throwing in with that:

Natural Sterol Complex
GH Max
NOX3
ZMA
and Animal Omega when that comes out will be in with the basic stack

Universal Rep
03-19-08, 10:25 am
Let me see if I can get this right here on the FORVM since I totally screwed it up over on bb.com.

I am only listing my current stack. I just got done running a Test/Stak/M-Stak cycle last month so I was kind of idling off the Test boosters for a bit. I'm about ready to put together a new stack shortly. For now, this is my stack:

Animal:
Pak
Flex

Universal:
Storm
Torrent
Tribulus Pro
NOX3
Uni-Liver

I am also logging a fat burner/thermogenic right now but that will be done tomorrow.

I take other base supplements like protein, ZMA, Melatonin, 5-HTP a few other things that are off and on but I don't consider this part of "the stack"

What are your goals, H?

Hoomgar
03-19-08, 10:31 am
What are your goals, H?

I just spent the winter bulking or at least trying to. I made progress but I also put on way too much chub. I just got finished losing all that fat last summer so I am not willing to let any of it on there for now. So right now my main goal is to lean back out and at least keep what I have gained in muscle and if possible keep building muscle. But no more fat.

bdb1513
03-19-08, 10:33 am
-Multi 3 times per day with meals
-Real Gains 1-1 1/2 hrs pre workout
-Shock/Storm pre workout
-Torrent post workout
-Real Gains before bed.
-Food, Food, Food

Seems to be working ok..may change it up a lil. Anyone got any ideas? Not real good with a lot of pills, and I'm on a bulk, but trying to stay a lil lean

Universal Rep
03-19-08, 10:38 am
Let me see if I can get this right here on the FORVM since I totally screwed it up over on bb.com.

I am only listing my current stack. I just got done running a Test/Stak/M-Stak cycle last month so I was kind of idling off the Test boosters for a bit. I'm about ready to put together a new stack shortly. For now, this is my stack:

Animal:
Pak
Flex

Universal:
Storm
Torrent
Tribulus Pro
NOX3
Uni-Liver

I am also logging a fat burner/thermogenic right now but that will be done tomorrow.

I take other base supplements like protein, ZMA, Melatonin, 5-HTP a few other things that are off and on but I don't consider this part of "the stack"

Your basics (suggested): Animal Pak, Animal Flex, Un-Liver, Animal Nitro (or EAA Stack)
Your others (suggested): Storm, Torrent, Uni-Liver

Don't load up on the NO products (NOX3). Always start with less, rather than more. Adding NOX3 can have benefits, but add it later. Dig?

Tribulus Pro, why are you adding this?

Hoomgar
03-19-08, 10:50 am
Your basics (suggested): Animal Pak, Animal Flex, Un-Liver, Animal Nitro (or EAA Stack)
Your others (suggested): Storm, Torrent, Uni-Liver

Don't load up on the NO products (NOX3). Always start with less, rather than more. Adding NOX3 can have benefits, but add it later. Dig?

Tribulus Pro, why are you adding this?

Every thing you listed as (suggested) I am using with the exception of the Animal Nitro and the EAA stack. Both of which should be coming in my order tomorrow so it looks like I was on the right track :) I have been using Animal Nitro G off an on for a bit as well.

3 questions then...

1. Bro, I am already into my second bottle of NOX3, should I discontinue it?

2. Trib I added because for some reason I do really well on it. I started it after I ended my can of M-Stak. The diff is very noticeable in my strength and libido when I use the Trib. Is this of any concern or is it an OK supp for me?

3. How long do you think I should wait before I start another Test booster?

Lots of questions I know but I appreciate your time bro.

Universal Rep
03-19-08, 11:02 am
Every thing you listed as (suggested) I am using with the exception of the Animal Nitro and the EAA stack. Both of which should be coming in my order tomorrow so it looks like I was on the right track :) I have been using Animal Nitro G off an on for a bit as well.

3 questions then...

1. Bro, I am already into my second bottle of NOX3, should I discontinue it?

2. Trib I added because for some reason I do really well on it. I started it after I ended my can of M-Stak. The diff is very noticeable in my strength and libido when I use the Trib. Is this of any concern or is it an OK supp for me?

3. How long do you think I should wait before I start another Test booster?

Lots of questions I know but I appreciate your time bro.

1. No. I didn't know you were already on it. You can continue, H.
2. If you already know what Tribulus Pro does, and it works, keep it.
3. Dunno. Only you know the answer to that question. I'd wait until I hit a plateau or felt like things were stagnant. Only when you run out of options on training and diet, would I add a test booster. That's me.

firsthorseman97
03-19-08, 11:17 am
-Pak
-Flex
-Pump
-EAA Stack
-Storm
-Uni-liver
-Real Gains

Will be adding....
-Omega
-Torrent

Just keepin' it simple...

Universal Rep
03-19-08, 11:18 am
-Pak
-Flex
-Pump
-EAA Stack
-Storm
-Uni-liver
-Real Gains

Will be adding....
-Omega
-Torrent

Just keepin' it simple...

Now that is a sick stack... I trust you're using Strawberry Real Gains?

firsthorseman97
03-19-08, 11:22 am
Now that is a sick stack... I trust you're using Strawberry Real Gains?

Chocolate actually.... haven't tried strawberry yet. Wanna send me a sample? Just kidding.... no, but seriously?

Universal Rep
03-19-08, 11:23 am
Chocolate actually.... haven't tried strawberry yet. Wanna send me a sample? Just kidding.... no, but seriously?

Got to Universalnutrition.com. I believe they're sampling Real Gains... You may get Strawberry.

firsthorseman97
03-19-08, 11:23 am
Got to Universalnutrition.com. I believe they're sampling Real Gains... You may get Strawberry.

Thanks for the heads up U-Rep!

bdb1513
03-19-08, 11:53 am
Got to Universalnutrition.com. I believe they're sampling Real Gains... You may get Strawberry.

i just got mine a lil while ago..they send ya 1/4 servings of each flavor

Hoomgar
03-19-08, 12:16 pm
1. No. I didn't know you were already on it. You can continue, H.
2. If you already know what Tribulus Pro does, and it works, keep it.
3. Dunno. Only you know the answer to that question. I'd wait until I hit a plateau or felt like things were stagnant. Only when you run out of options on training and diet, would I add a test booster. That's me.


And that is all a big help. Thanks brother. I do appreciate it. I'd love to run into you at an ABC or something sometime and find who you are and shake your hand for all the the help and the cool promos and stuff. You and Animal Rep.

You guys have "earned" a loyal customer in me.

Universal Rep
03-19-08, 12:19 pm
And that is all a big help. Thanks brother. I do appreciate it. I'd love to run into you at an ABC or something sometime and find who you are and shake your hand for all the the help and the cool promos and stuff. You and Animal Rep.

You guys have "earned" a loyal customer in me.

Just doin' my job, keeping Universal/Animal customers happy. Truth is, it's not hard. You fellas are loyal and solid...

Ricky P
03-19-08, 1:13 pm
Last is the most important, but other than that, looks solid. Assume you're on a bulk?

Well, I'm definitely not cutting, haha.


Probably????

And I'm definitely getting myself some Omega when that drops. That's gonna be one hot item.

KILLEMALL79
03-19-08, 11:01 pm
Cardio Days:

Morning: Before shower
VEMMA liquid multi vitamin, Universal NOX3, UNIVERSAL ripped fast, 72mg Concerta, Alegra D, ANIMAL flex

With all meals: 1/2 tsp Flax seeds, 500mg Fish oil, 500mg CLA oil

PRE WORKOUT: Animal Pak, Shock therapy, Animal Cuts, Universal Ripped fast,
3,000mg L-Carnitine

Post workout: LAVA when bulking but now doing 2 scoops ANIMAL MAX and an apple

Before bed: 2 scoops Muscle milk, Universal ZMA and NOX3

On lifting days :

Morning: Before shower
VEMMA liquid multi vitamin, Universal NOX3, UNIVERSAL ripped fast, 72mg Concerta, Alegra D, ANIMAL FLEX

With all meals: 1/2 tsp Flax seeds, 500 mg Fish oil, 500 mg CLA oil

PRE WORKOUT: Animal Pak, Muscletech NANO X9, Animal Cuts, Universal Ripped fast,
3,000mg L-Carnitine, MUSCLETECH Luekic

Post workout: LAVA when bulking but now doing 2 scoops ANIMAL MAX and an apple

Before bed: 2 scoops Muscle milk, Universal ZMA and NOX3 and Universal Ripped fast

Rock326
03-20-08, 2:55 am
-Pak and Flex in the AM with early meals.
-Pump and M-Stak (and/or Stak2 or Test) preworkout.
-Nitro G during or postworkout.
-ZMAPro before bed.
-Omega when it comes out.
-1g Vitamin C 2X's day.
-RealGains 2-3X's day.
-LOTS of food! (As clean as possible)
Simple and effective!

Youngin16
03-20-08, 3:49 am
Trying to cut. Our chow hall is hard to figure out food goodness so i usually go with whatever i think is best.

Cuts in the morning upon waking up
(Depending on the day cardio bout an hour)
Animal Pak
Breakfast- pack of tuna, handfull of peanuts
snack - protein shake
Lunch - Marine Corps Chow hall
Snack - More peanuts and a piece of fruit
Cuts and Pak
Dinner - Chow hall
Workout
Protein shake
Fruit/bed

HoldFast
03-20-08, 1:58 pm
My current Stack

Pak + Flex + Green Tea Extract in the A.M.
Uni Liver with meals
Shock Therapy before workout
EAA+Storm during workout
Torrent Post workout
Omega EFA x 2 a day
Pak with last meal on training days

Looking at maybe adding some Nitro for good measure.

Universal Rep
03-20-08, 2:05 pm
If anyone is looking for specfiic feedback or questions from me, or anyone else, please post 'em as questions so they can be addressed. Thanks fellas.

DreamZero
03-20-08, 2:19 pm
wake up - cuts
breakfast- multi, 3x uniliver, vitamin c
pre-workout - pump
during workout - bcaa stack
post-wo - ON whey, uniliver x3
lunch minus 1h - cuts
lunch - vitamin c, uniliver x3
pm lunch - uniliver x3, ON whey
dinner - uniliver x3, ZMA
bed shake - ON whey

bdb1513
03-20-08, 2:20 pm
-Multi 3 times per day with meals
-Real Gains 1-1 1/2 hrs pre workout
-Shock/Storm pre workout
-Torrent post workout
-Real Gains before bed.
-Food, Food, Food

Seems to be working ok..may change it up a lil. Anyone got any ideas? Not real good with a lot of pills, and I'm on a bulk, but trying to stay a lil lean

posted up before..but wanted to see what you think U-Rep

Universal Rep
03-20-08, 2:26 pm
posted up before..but wanted to see what you think U-Rep

-Multi 3 times per day with meals
-Real Gains 1-1 1/2 hrs pre workout
-Shock/Storm pre workout
-Torrent post workout
-Real Gains before bed.
-Food, Food, Food

-Switch to Pak, 1x a day (sorry, had to plug the Pak, hahaha)
-Real Gains, good, though how's it been working for ya before bedtime?
-Shock/Storm, a classic stack ya can't go wrong with
-Torrent, highly effective

More emphasis on food, as it looks like you're bulking. Otherwise, solid.

Lunatic001
03-20-08, 2:37 pm
1st meal: Pak, 365 days
2nd meal: Flex, for maintence of the joints

Pre workout: Shock/EAA, to get ready
During workout: Storm/BCAA
PWO: Shake (protein&carbs)

Before Bed: Storm, second dose (been working for me)

U Rep,

What do you think I should add/remove....I am trying to keep it basic. goal: lose Bf..

Thanks....

fireman9
03-20-08, 2:47 pm
Fellas, if you got a product stack in mind, if you want specific feedback and suggestions, or even help on getting one together, post it here.

How To Build Your Animal "Stack"
If you have questions on building the right Animal "stack" for you, how go go about it, start by reading this thread here (http://forum.animalpak.com/showthread.php?t=16007).

Checking Out Other Members' "Stacks"
If you want specific stack suggestions from other members of the Legion or want to post your own, go here (http://forum.animalpak.com/showthread.php?t=178).




Let's talk "stacking" fellas...

Whenever I have to wake up:
Pak
3 NOX3
2 N1-T
500 mg Vit C
Fish oil

3 uniliver with breakfast

45 minutes prior to workout
test
2 N1-t

30 minutes
3 NOX3
Storm/Shock
w/Nitro or Nitro G mixed in water bottle and taken with.

Post:
Torrent
BCAAs

3 Uniliver taken with everymeal
3 RG shakes taken throughout the day
Food, I'm eating while I am posting this.
1 gal of water on non workout days 1 1/2 on training days

Bedtime
500 mg vit c
Fish oil
Flex
RG Shake with 2% milk (slower digesting) and 2 scoops of peanut butter
3 GHMax
3 mg Melatonin

I will be taking M-stak and Stak together when I am finished with Test then continuing M-stak with my next 2 cans of Test.

bdb1513
03-20-08, 3:09 pm
-Switch to Pak, 1x a day (sorry, had to plug the Pak, hahaha)
-Real Gains, good, though how's it been working for ya before bedtime?
-Shock/Storm, a classic stack ya can't go wrong with
-Torrent, highly effective

More emphasis on food, as it looks like you're bulking. Otherwise, solid.


tried pak..unfortunatly, too many pills for me...but just to follow up, the real gains before bed seems to be working nicely..i'm not even that hungry when i wake up...so i guess thats good

Rock326
03-20-08, 7:33 pm
-Pak and Flex in the AM with early meals.
-Pump and M-Stak (and/or Stak2 or Test) preworkout.
-Nitro G during or postworkout.
-ZMAPro before bed.
-Omega when it comes out.
-1g Vitamin C 2X's day.
-RealGains 2-3X's day.
-LOTS of food! (As clean as possible)
Simple and effective!

U-Rep (or anyone else) got any other sugestions?

soulspline
03-20-08, 11:37 pm
uni sterol question is it good to ad to my arsenal?
my combo is
pack
nitro
m-stack
and rip fast

thanx brothers!

RenegadeRows
03-21-08, 2:21 pm
very good. bro...I tried it for 2 months and noticed some nice differences...lifts didnt go up, but size did.

Wasteland
03-21-08, 2:28 pm
U-Rep (or anyone else) got any other sugestions?

If you're interested in my take:

Pak and Flex are good. I'm definitely going to add Anima Omega when it comes out myself.
Nitro G PWO, good.
Real Gains, good.
Food, yes, the most important factor.
Vitamin C, should be no problem.
ZMA Pro before bed, if it works for you, keep it.
Pump and M-Stak, preworkout is good.
Stak and/or Test I think it too much.

mustgetbig
03-21-08, 2:35 pm
Cardio Days:

Morning: Before shower
VEMMA liquid multi vitamin, Universal NOX3, UNIVERSAL ripped fast, 72mg Concerta, Alegra D, ANIMAL flex

With all meals: 1/2 tsp Flax seeds, 500mg Fish oil, 500mg CLA oil

PRE WORKOUT: Animal Pak, Shock therapy, Animal Cuts, Universal Ripped fast,
3,000mg L-Carnitine

Post workout: LAVA when bulking but now doing 2 scoops ANIMAL MAX and an apple

Before bed: 2 scoops Muscle milk, Universal ZMA and NOX3

On lifting days :

Morning: Before shower
VEMMA liquid multi vitamin, Universal NOX3, UNIVERSAL ripped fast, 72mg Concerta, Alegra D, ANIMAL FLEX

With all meals: 1/2 tsp Flax seeds, 500 mg Fish oil, 500 mg CLA oil

PRE WORKOUT: Animal Pak, Muscletech NANO X9, Animal Cuts, Universal Ripped fast,
3,000mg L-Carnitine, MUSCLETECH Luekic

Post workout: LAVA when bulking but now doing 2 scoops ANIMAL MAX and an apple

Before bed: 2 scoops Muscle milk, Universal ZMA and NOX3 and Universal Ripped fast

bro talking about other companies products is a no-no just a heads up

Angelwrath
03-21-08, 3:05 pm
Hi brothers,
I've been working out for some time now. Just beginning to try my hand at supps other than protein powders ( I value food above all else when it comes to nutrition) .. I've tried a couple of 'breakthrough' products in nice little fancy boxes which just went as far as turning out to be a total waste of some hard earned cash ..
I've never tried Animal products before .. but you guys have a very inspirational website going here .. read a lot about the 'foundation' that gets a lot of talk here - Animal Pak. So, willing to give it a shot now. Now, I'm not a bodybuilding guru .. but didn't quite get the part where you say Animal Pak's gonna make me stronger. Isn't the basic function of vitamins to see that our organs function properly ? Where does strength come in here from ? Sorry for a dumb question !

Universal Rep
03-21-08, 3:08 pm
I've never tried Animal products before .. but you guys have a very inspirational website going here .. read a lot about the 'foundation' that gets a lot of talk here - Animal Pak. So, willing to give it a shot now. Now, I'm not a bodybuilding guru .. but didn't quite get the part where you say Animal Pak's gonna make me stronger. Isn't the basic function of vitamins to see that our organs function properly ? Where does strength come in here from ? Sorry for a dumb question !

Animal Pak is not gonna make you "stronger". Where did ya hear that bro? Not from me, I hope. Maybe you heard that it'll help ya get stronger because it'll help ensure that you have no nutritional deficiencies or gaps that could prevent you from reaching your potential?

Angelwrath
03-21-08, 3:17 pm
Animal Pak is not gonna make you "stronger". Where did ya hear that bro? Not from me, I hope. Maybe you heard that it'll help ya get stronger because it'll help ensure that you have no nutritional deficiencies or gaps that could prevent you from reaching your potential?

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/univ/animalpak.html .. this is where i got it from ..

That I guess is one of the biggest bodybuilding sites going on nowadays .. And stuff like "pure power. pure strength" written for this product as the title might mislead the public at LARGE ! :)

Universal Rep
03-21-08, 3:19 pm
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/univ/animalpak.html .. this is where i got it from ..

That I guess is one of the biggest bodybuilding sites going on nowadays .. And stuff like "pure power. pure strength" written for this product as the title might mislead the public at LARGE ! :)

Gotcha. Yeah, it's what I thought... Pak is not a strength supp per se. It's really designed to make sure you can reach your strength & size potential, especially when basic nutrition is holding ya back.

Angelwrath
03-21-08, 3:23 pm
Gotcha. Yeah, it's what I thought... Pak is not a strength supp per se. It's really designed to make sure you can reach your strength & size potential, especially when basic nutrition is holding ya back.

Yepp .. point driven home ... just that the title suits a product like Animal Pump better !

Universal Rep
03-21-08, 3:25 pm
Yepp .. point driven home ... just that the title suits a product like Animal Pump better !

I bet that product description been up there since the 1990s, hahahaha... Could probably use a revision.

Angelwrath
03-21-08, 3:27 pm
I bet that product description been up there since the 1990s, hahahaha... Could probably use a revision.

LOL ..

Universal Rep
03-21-08, 3:28 pm
LOL ..

x2

xxhammerxx
03-21-08, 4:44 pm
Current stack...

Pak with breakfast
Uni-Liver 4 with each whole food meal
Real Gains once in between meals and one in the evening
Iso Whey whenever I feel I need it
Pre workout usually whole food 1 hour before with BCAA 2000
Post workout-LAVA and some BCAA 2000

Hoomgar
03-21-08, 5:25 pm
Hey bro, we went over my current stack on the last page. I got my NSC (Natural Sterol Complex) that I said I was going to make my next stack and I want to know. Should I cut the Tribulus when I start the NSC or is it OK to run them together? I don't have any other strength supps going right now. Just creatine PAK and Flex.

Universal Rep
03-21-08, 5:26 pm
Current stack...

Pak with breakfast
Uni-Liver 4 with each whole food meal
Real Gains once in between meals and one in the evening
Iso Whey whenever I feel I need it
Pre workout usually whole food 1 hour before with BCAA 2000
Post workout-LAVA and some BCAA 2000

Solid stack. Why the BCAA 2000? Curious.

Universal Rep
03-21-08, 5:27 pm
Hey bro, we went over my current stack on the last page. I got my NSC (Natural Sterol Complex) that I said I was going to make my next stack and I want to know. Should I cut the Tribulus when I start the NSC or is it OK to run them together? I don't have any other strength supps going right now. Just creatine PAK and Flex.

Shouldn't be a problem runnning trib with NSC, if that's your thing.

Hoomgar
03-21-08, 5:31 pm
Shouldn't be a problem runnning trib with NSC, if that's your thing.

Thanks bro. Yeah it isn't so much my thing, both are new to me this time around. I've used supps like Stak with Trib in it but never used straight Trib. I have been wanting to try the NSC. A lot of brothers on here say good things about it.

Preciate your time.

Universal Rep
03-21-08, 5:32 pm
Thanks bro. Yeah it isn't so much my thing, both are new to me this time around. I've used supps like Stak with Trib in it but never used straight Trib. I have been wanting to try the NSC. A lot of brothers on here say good things about it.

Preciate your time.

Anytime, H.

KILLEMALL79
03-21-08, 6:26 pm
If anyone is looking for specfiic feedback or questions from me, or anyone else, please post 'em as questions so they can be addressed. Thanks fellas.

When is omega going to be avaliable for public consumption. And how much will it be.

xxhammerxx
03-21-08, 8:47 pm
Solid stack. Why the BCAA 2000? Curious.

Ah actually I was going to get Amino tech but kinda sorta bought the wrong one lol. I bough it in december and I'm almost out. Anyway you think EAA stack, Nitro, or Amino tech would be a better thing to put in place of bcaa's.

Universal Rep
03-24-08, 10:01 am
When is omega going to be avaliable for public consumption. And how much will it be.

April sometime, low to mid-$20s online I'm guessing...

Universal Rep
03-24-08, 10:02 am
Ah actually I was going to get Amino tech but kinda sorta bought the wrong one lol. I bough it in december and I'm almost out. Anyway you think EAA stack, Nitro, or Amino tech would be a better thing to put in place of bcaa's.

OK, gotcha. So you're looking at taking aminos throughout the day or pre/intra/post-workout?

xxhammerxx
03-24-08, 10:58 am
OK, gotcha. So you're looking at taking aminos throughout the day or pre/intra/post-workout?

Yea Im looking at taking them pre/post-workout.

Universal Rep
03-24-08, 11:09 am
Yea Im looking at taking them pre/post-workout.

Amino Tech < BCAA 200 < free form EAAs (Animal Nitro of EAA Stack)

Aminoi Tech is a great all around amino product, but it's designed more for general supplementation. Pre and post you want fast, like free form, and IMHO, you want EAAs, not just the BCAAs.

xxhammerxx
03-24-08, 1:12 pm
Amino Tech < BCAA 200 < free form EAAs (Animal Nitro of EAA Stack)

Aminoi Tech is a great all around amino product, but it's designed more for general supplementation. Pre and post you want fast, like free form, and IMHO, you want EAAs, not just the BCAAs.

Alright that sounds good so I should be looking at Nitro post workout along with the pwo shake I take. Thanks a lot for the info.

Universal Rep
03-24-08, 1:21 pm
Alright that sounds good so I should be looking at Nitro post workout along with the pwo shake I take. Thanks a lot for the info.

It's my gold standard... Animal Nitro immediately post, followed by Torrent (PWO shake), then a whole food meal.

Moose1979
03-27-08, 1:01 am
PAK (morning)
STAK and PUMP prework out
BCAA post workout
glutamine/creatine mix post workout
glutamine/creatine mix midnight
PAK (night)
3 squares of good old all you can eat Army chow


I am in Iraq so times vary due to mission of when I can actually cram all this in

arab910
03-29-08, 8:06 pm
I was on some crummy nitric oxide supps for a while. Then all of the sudden, its seemeed like every person in my life, regardless of importance, was telling me that it was harmful to my health, even though i know how to control what goes into my body. I have taken a break from supplements containing creatine for a while, and i am ready to get back.

i need help creating a stack. i am currently taking pak in the morning, and torrent after my workouts. i want to add pump in beforehand.

just a little background, i am 16.5 years of age, 178 pounds, and currently bulking.

MassMan
03-29-08, 8:13 pm
My stack is...


The ones that never change
Pak
Flex
Whey
uni Liver EAA Stack

Cycled stuff
RG (banana!!!!)
Pump (every now and then for some shits and giggles)

mustgetbig
03-30-08, 8:22 am
I was on some crummy nitric oxide supps for a while. Then all of the sudden, its seemeed like every person in my life, regardless of importance, was telling me that it was harmful to my health, even though i know how to control what goes into my body. I have taken a break from supplements containing creatine for a while, and i am ready to get back.

i need help creating a stack. i am currently taking pak in the morning, and torrent after my workouts. i want to add pump in beforehand.

just a little background, i am 16.5 years of age, 178 pounds, and currently bulking.

bro not 1 person here is gonna recomend a stack for a 16yr old spend your money on lots and lots of food hold off on the supplements

arab910
03-30-08, 4:20 pm
bro not 1 person here is gonna recomend a stack for a 16yr old spend your money on lots and lots of food hold off on the supplements

is that because they are indeed harmful to my health, or because at this point is should just focus on eating, eating, and more eating?

edit: i see and know many other 16 year olds on good stacks and i was just wondering the reason to stay away. (for my own knowledge)

rk246
03-30-08, 9:00 pm
I just started with the Animal products, I bought Pak, Stak, M-stak, and test, I wanted to get pump, but I have some creatine and no from another maker that I have to use up first. I have been trying to decide the best way to stack, then what to use after?

My plan right now is Pak in the am. Stak and test together for 2 cycles of the test, then switch to the M-Stak? Of course taking creatine and the No product before and after workout until it is all gone, then I am switching to Pump for the ease of taking the pills and carrying it around.

Does this sound like the best way to use the test, stak and M-stak? I am 33 and just starting a bulk, I want to add some size before summer, I know I got a late start, but I am real low on bodyfat right now, I want to keep it that way, but really want some size now.

Thanks for the help.

MassMan
03-30-08, 9:06 pm
I just started with the Animal products, I bought Pak, Stak, M-stak, and test, I wanted to get pump, but I have some creatine and no from another maker that I have to use up first. I have been trying to decide the best way to stack, then what to use after?

My plan right now is Pak in the am. Stak and test together for 2 cycles of the test, then switch to the M-Stak? Of course taking creatine and the No product before and after workout until it is all gone, then I am switching to Pump for the ease of taking the pills and carrying it around.

Does this sound like the best way to use the test, stak and M-stak? I am 33 and just starting a bulk, I want to add some size before summer, I know I got a late start, but I am real low on bodyfat right now, I want to keep it that way, but really want some size now.

Thanks for the help.



Take Pak in am, as mentioned. Take Stak 45 minutes before lifting, Test 30 minutes before lifting. After your done with Test, take M Stak immediately following your cycle of Test. During the cycle, aim for lots and lots of quality and not so quality calories, keep protein high, drink AT LEAST 1 gallon of water, perferbally 2 to 3 gallons. Plenty of sleep will do no harm. You might want to pick up some joint supplement like Flex because the rapid amount of weight you will put in in combination with intense training and eating will wear and tear your joints. Do them a favor and take some Flex..... That should be everything. Eat big to get big!!!

herdz
03-30-08, 9:19 pm
Alright guys, so here it is. I'm currently dieting for a show and have 10 weeks left on the keto, things are looking great. I'm just planning ahead so i know what to do after my show other than take a week or so off to recover. I plan on sticking with the pack and Nitro for a good 3 or 4 weeks before i jump into this big cycle, anyways..... Here's my bulking supp plan for week 1-17, not sure whats up after but this is what i got, gimme some opinions guys, what you would change or tweek a little. Be honest.


Week 1-3
Animal Pak 1ed
Animal Flex 1ed
Animal Nitro 1ed Post WO
Animal Omega 1ed
Animal Mstak 1ed

Week 4 Animal Pak 1ed
Animal Flex 1ed
Animal Nitroo 1ed Post WO
Animal Omega 1ed

Week 5-7
Animal Pak 1ed
Animal Flex 1ed
Animal Nitro 1ed Post WO
Animal Omega 1ed
Animal Mstak 1ed

Week 8 Animal Pak 1ed
Animal Flex 1ed
Animal Nitroo 1ed Post WO
Animal Omega 1ed

Week 9-14
Animal Pak 1ed
Animal Flex 1ed
Animal Nitroo 1ed Post WO
Animal Omega 1ed
Animal Test 1ed

Week 15-17
Animal Pak 1ed
Animal Flex 1ed
Animal Nitroo 1ed Post WO
Animal Omega 1ed
Animal Mstak 1ed

MassMan
03-30-08, 9:26 pm
Herdz, how and where the hell did you get Omega? Other than that, your stack looks solid. maybe throw in RG for added calories.

herdz
03-30-08, 9:30 pm
Herdz, how and where the hell did you get Omega? Other than that, your stack looks solid. maybe throw in RG for added calories.

Hey I dont have it yet, im still in comp prep bro! I'll get er when she comes out though man, i still have like 16 to 18 weeks before i start doing this plan of mine muuahaha, it might even be in October when i start, depending on if I compete in september or not. Think i should through torrent, storm and some ST in as well?

MassMan
03-30-08, 9:33 pm
Hey I dont have it yet, im still in comp prep bro! I'll get er when she comes out though man, i still have like 16 to 18 weeks before i start doing this plan of mine muuahaha, it might even be in October when i start, depending on if I compete in september or not. Think i should through torrent, storm and some ST in as well?

It wouldn't hurt. I always use ST/Storm and Torrent. Sometimes I'll sub in Pump for ST. the ST/Storm stack has gotten me out of tough workouts more than I care to explain! Sometimes, I take ST 30 min pre w/o and I'll add another serving into my BigAnt drink for some ass whooping power for leg and backday!! Kick some ass!!!

herdz
03-30-08, 9:37 pm
It wouldn't hurt. I always use ST/Storm and Torrent. Sometimes I'll sub in Pump for ST. the ST/Storm stack has gotten me out of tough workouts more than I care to explain! Sometimes, I take ST 30 min pre w/o and I'll add another serving into my BigAnt drink for some ass whooping power for leg and backday!! Kick some ass!!!

Thanks bro
I switched it to this:
OFFSEASON

Week 1-3
Animal Pak 1ed
Animal Flex 1ed
Animal Nitro 1ed Post WO
Animal Omega 1ed
Animal Mstak 1ed
Shock Therapy 1 scoop

Week 4
Animal Pak 1ed
Animal Flex 1ed
Animal Nitroo 1ed Post WO
Animal Omega 1ed
Storm 1 scoop Pre WO

Week 5-7
Animal Pak 1ed
Animal Flex 1ed
Animal Nitro 1ed Post WO
Animal Omega 1ed
Animal Mstak 1ed
Shock Therapy 1 scoop
Torrent 3 scoops
Storm 1 scoop Pre WO

Week 8
Animal Pak 1ed
Animal Flex 1ed
Animal Nitroo 1ed Post WO
Animal Omega 1ed
Torrent 3 scoops
Storm 1 scoop Pre WO

Week 9-14
Animal Pak 1ed
Animal Flex 1ed
Animal Nitroo 1ed Post WO
Animal Omega 1ed
Animal Test 1ed
Shock Therapy 1 scoop
Torrent 3 scoops
Storm 1 scoop Pre WO

Week 15-17
Animal Pak 1ed
Animal Flex 1ed
Animal Nitroo 1ed Post WO
Animal Omega 1ed
Animal Mstak 1ed
Shock Therapy 1 scoop
Torrent 3 scoops
Storm 1 scoop Pre WO




weeks 1-4 regular protein
weeks 5-17 real gains

rk246
03-30-08, 10:26 pm
Take Pak in am, as mentioned. Take Stak 45 minutes before lifting, Test 30 minutes before lifting. After your done with Test, take M Stak immediately following your cycle of Test. During the cycle, aim for lots and lots of quality and not so quality calories, keep protein high, drink AT LEAST 1 gallon of water, perferbally 2 to 3 gallons. Plenty of sleep will do no harm. You might want to pick up some joint supplement like Flex because the rapid amount of weight you will put in in combination with intense training and eating will wear and tear your joints. Do them a favor and take some Flex..... That should be everything. Eat big to get big!!!

Thanks for the reply, I usually take a preworkout shake, whey and fruit, or whey and waxy maize etc. will that effect the test and stack? 45 min before, stak, 30 min before test, then 15 before my no product, then my preworkout shake? how would you line this up? Right now I am using No-xplode, but after it is gone I am switching to pump for ease and sticking to the Animal line. After my workout its cellmass right now, then another shake?

Thanks again for the info.

MassMan
03-30-08, 10:38 pm
Thanks for the reply, I usually take a preworkout shake, whey and fruit, or whey and waxy maize etc. will that effect the test and stack? 45 min before, stak, 30 min before test, then 15 before my no product, then my preworkout shake? how would you line this up? Right now I am using No-xplode, but after it is gone I am switching to pump for ease and sticking to the Animal line. After my workout its cellmass right now, then another shake?

Thanks again for the info.

I would save the Wzxy Maize for post workout. You can have the fruit, but not too much to the point where you feel full or bloated. i don't think the fruit would affect Stak or Test.... Take Stak 45 minutes before w/o, follow up with Test 30 min pre w/o ALONG with your pre workout supp, then take your whey and a little fruit immideately before w/o.


Following training, take 40-50g wazy maize w/ 40g whey. 15-20 after this shake, take any creatine supp. Does this clear up any confusion?

mustgetbig
03-31-08, 8:16 am
is that because they are indeed harmful to my health, or because at this point is should just focus on eating, eating, and more eating?

edit: i see and know many other 16 year olds on good stacks and i was just wondering the reason to stay away. (for my own knowledge)

at this point you should be focusing on more food hold off on the supps for a good while bro

arab910
03-31-08, 8:37 pm
at this point you should be focusing on more food hold off on the supps for a good while bro

alright man sounds good. i love me some whole foods!

rhane
04-06-08, 7:30 pm
at this point you should be focusing on more food hold off on the supps for a good while bro

GetBig, there is nothing wrong with a teenager taking some of the supplements Animal makes. I mean creatine is found in red meats and fish, so what's the harm in drinking a juice with some of it in it? It's not like Arab is using anything "hard" if you get what I'm saying. Sure, I'd tell him to stay away from Test and Stak, but c'mon Torrent is fine...

MassMan
04-06-08, 7:38 pm
GetBig, there is nothing wrong with a teenager taking some of the supplements Animal makes. I mean creatine is found in red meats and fish, so what's the harm in drinking a juice with some of it in it? It's not like Arab is using anything "hard" if you get what I'm saying. Sure, I'd tell him to stay away from Test and Stak, but c'mon Torrent is fine...

I'm gonna have to agree with rhane on this one. Even if you're a true beginner, Pak, protein, and creatine is what you should consider. Once you build a solid base, you can throw in M Stak, ST, Pump, and the other stuff and so forth... so... I would recommend Pak, protein, and creatine for Arab.

Nihility
04-13-08, 12:33 pm
currently bulking:

i workout 3 days a week based off the rippetoe system, so i didnt want to take pump 4 times a week when not lifting, so my non-workout creatine is taken from a non-universal product, which will be mentioned as "Other creatine:

Non-Training days:

along with breakfast:
Animal Pak (need those vitamins!)
1,000 mg fish oil pill (diff company)
1/2 serving of "other creatine"

2nd meal:
M-stack, usually take it with my shake (should i take this pre or post 2nd meal, or is it ok to actually take the pills with the shake?)
realgains shake usually :D

lunch:
food

4th meal:
food

dinner:
food again

6th meal:
my pre-sleep realgains shake and another 1/2 serving of creatine



workout days (mon, wed, fri):

morning

breakfast: animal pak + 1,000 mg fish oil +food
2nd meal: food, shake
lunch: food
45 min pre-workout: M-stack and a big ol glass of water
30 min pre - whey shake
20 min pre - pump
-workout-
immediately post: some juice and Nitro
30-45 min post: Realgains shake with whey also added
dinner: food
6th: realgains shake + 1/2 serving creatine


any suggestions?

i just got nitro, and im wondering when i should take it on off-days?
would it be fine to take nitro with my last meal before i go to sleep on off days?

Redjeep
04-13-08, 11:26 pm
Pak-morning
M-stak and pump- PreWO
BCAA-during
Whey-post
Flex-night

BenchinBoB
04-14-08, 12:55 am
Okay this is the first time i have used the forum, but my current stack is

Pak
Pump
Test

I'm looking for something else to take, I don't know if i should go with m-stak or regular stak if you guys could give me some input i would love it

Hoomgar
04-14-08, 2:24 pm
Winter bulking has left me fat. I've also made some great gains and want to bring them out before I clean bulk again.

My stack looks like this now... any advice is appreciated...

My new diet is basically just the same as it has been with some modifications. I will try to take in less bad fats (animal fats, etc...) and I will reduce bad carbs greatly. I'll keep my clean carbs and good fats the same. Protein will stay the same.

Supplement stack...

Base:
Animal Pak
Animal Flex
Animal Omega - when it arrives I am starting it immediately...
Universal Daily Multi - used for the other half of the day from the Pak
Universal ZMA Pro at bedtime

Cycled supps:
Creatine - no mono for now except what is found in Storm
Animal Cuts

Pre, during and post workout supps:
Storm or Shock Therapy - Pre - one or the other (depends on time of day)
Animal Nitro G - during (sometimes, depends on the workout, rare)
Torrent - post

Other supps used daily:
Universal EAA stack (used throughout the day, sipped in lots of water)
5-HTP at bedtime
Melatonin at bedtime

Hg

Ferrum Pectus
04-14-08, 2:35 pm
Pak with breakfast
Whey mid morning
Stak then Pump 15 min later (30 min before workout)
Whey post lift

Lots of protein from food low, carb percentage, and a boat load of water.

MassMan
04-14-08, 10:34 pm
Okay this is the first time i have used the forum, but my current stack is

Pak
Pump
Test

I'm looking for something else to take, I don't know if i should go with m-stak or regular stak if you guys could give me some input i would love it

If you could afford it, run 2 cans of Test and 2 cans of Stak for 42 days straight. Finish off with 1 can of M Stak as a type of PCT. That should yield some serious gains givin that your diet is in order and you're training hard and keeping cardio to an absolute minimal.

pmug0000
04-14-08, 10:39 pm
If you could afford it, run 2 cans of Test and 2 cans of Stak for 42 days straight. Finish off with 1 can of M Stak as a type of PCT. That should yield some serious gains givin that your diet is in order and you're training hard and keeping cardio to an absolute minimal.

That's a great stack assuming your are 25 or older. Any younger and I would stick with M-Stak.

pmug0000
04-14-08, 10:43 pm
Winter bulking has left me fat. I've also made some great gains and want to bring them out before I clean bulk again.

My stack looks like this now... any advice is appreciated...

My new diet is basically just the same as it has been with some modifications. I will try to take in less bad fats (animal fats, etc...) and I will reduce bad carbs greatly. I'll keep my clean carbs and good fats the same. Protein will stay the same.

Supplement stack...

Base:
Animal Pak
Animal Flex
Animal Omega - when it arrives I am starting it immediately...
Universal Daily Multi - used for the other half of the day from the Pak
Universal ZMA Pro at bedtime

Cycled supps:
Creatine - no mono for now except what is found in Storm
Animal Cuts

Pre, during and post workout supps:
Storm or Shock Therapy - Pre - one or the other (depends on time of day)
Animal Nitro G - during (sometimes, depends on the workout, rare)
Torrent - post

Other supps used daily:
Universal EAA stack (used throughout the day, sipped in lots of water)
5-HTP at bedtime
Melatonin at bedtime

Hg

Looks like a well rounded stack, but I HIGHLY recommend adding Uni-Liver as one of your base supps. And one more thing: be careful about using 5-HTP everyday. I have come across research that shows prolonged daily use can have some negative effects. Maybe just use it a few times a week, or every other day, or 3 weeks on then one week off (like the cycled Animal supps). You should be sleeping fine with ZMA and melatonin anyway.

MassMan
04-14-08, 10:45 pm
That's a great stack assuming your are 25 or older. Any younger and I would stick with M-Stak.

Word. I read some really solid reviews about that. I'm only 16, so just focusin' on the basics, along with a can of M Stak handy just in case a fucking plateau nears in the horizon...

BenchinBoB
04-15-08, 10:03 am
If you could afford it, run 2 cans of Test and 2 cans of Stak for 42 days straight. Finish off with 1 can of M Stak as a type of PCT. That should yield some serious gains givin that your diet is in order and you're training hard and keeping cardio to an absolute minimal.


Actually i PM J-Dawg and he said to go with m-stak so...yesterday i went out and got it, but i am deffinatly going to do the 2 can cycle of test

I think that is a better idea anyway because i don't think i need that much testosterone boost.

Universal Rep
04-15-08, 10:31 am
Okay this is the first time i have used the forum, but my current stack is

Pak
Pump
Test

I'm looking for something else to take, I don't know if i should go with m-stak or regular stak if you guys could give me some input i would love it

Something else? Why? What are you goals and why do you believe you need something else bro?

TheBassGuy
04-15-08, 11:01 am
Okay this is the first time i have used the forum, but my current stack is

Pak
Pump
Test

I'm looking for something else to take, I don't know if i should go with m-stak or regular stak if you guys could give me some input i would love it

Providing your diet is good that stack will make you grow. I wouldn't change it.

BenchinBoB
04-16-08, 2:45 am
Providing your diet is good that stack will make you grow. I wouldn't change it.

Well...i should have put this earlier, but I went with J-dawg and went with m-stak hopefully this and eating a shit ton of food can get me to bulk up quite a bit. Just a few days on test is making me eat everything in site, which is good and bad. Bad in the fact that some of the stuff prolly isn't as healthy for me but...anyway

my goals are to bulk bulk bulk, and then cut here in a month so...hopefully that will work out if you guys got any suggestions i'm all ears

thedrivenone
04-17-08, 9:22 pm
I need some help placing the M-Stak in some areas for optimal results.

Would sometimes take it in the morning and taking the Pak PWO be an option?

Would sometimes taking the pak in the morning, the M-Stak at lunch(about 3 hrs before I workout) be an option?

Would sometimes take it PWO be an option, assuming Pak is in the morning?

Would sometimes taking it 1hr before I workout, I have another pre-workout supp that I need to finish off, or will those two coincide...be an option?

Coach Fowler
04-18-08, 6:38 pm
Been taking the Pak since Oct. Love it.

Added Flex in Jan. Good stuff...would highly suggest it for those that have the aches & pains of the gym.

Taking 100% Golden Whey. Good results. One shake first thing in the morning & one more as a PWO. Anything out there that would be better?

Adding Stak 2 this next week for a cycle.

I eat very well & clean. Every three hours. I'm generally over 2,000 cals a day.

I love the heavy weight. I look decent, but I wouldn't say good. That's where I want to go. Suggestions for additional supps? By the way, I don't do all the caffine stuff.

LittleMan55
04-18-08, 6:44 pm
Been taking the Pak since Oct. Love it.

Added Flex in Jan. Good stuff...would highly suggest it for those that have the aches & pains of the gym.

Taking 100% Golden Whey. Good results. One shake first thing in the morning & one more as a PWO. Anything out there that would be better?

Adding Stak 2 this next week for a cycle.

I eat very well & clean. Every three hours. I'm generally over 2,000 cals a day.

I love the heavy weight. I look decent, but I wouldn't say good. That's where I want to go. Suggestions for additional supps? By the way, I don't do all the caffine stuff.

About the 100% Golden whey and asking if there is anything better for PWO. I would have to say Torrent by Universal. Look it up and give it a try. It is probably the most complete PWO on the market today. It has all the bases covered to make you grow like never before.

I know you said you dont like the caffine stuff, but I think you might like Animal Pump. It has a stimulant in it but will not make you gittery or anything else like most sups with caffine. It will focus you in, deliver a wicked pump, and help you push more heavy weights! Just a suggestions look it up in the shop and see what you think.

Other than that everything looks great IMO (cant go wrong with Pak and Flex). Keep working hard and enjoy the Stak should get great results from it. Best of luck bro.

Coach Fowler
04-18-08, 7:02 pm
Looked at Torrent. Was kinda freaked at the number of calories in the stuff. I'm sure they're clean, but it'll make me miss my afternoon eggs...

Thanks for the word. Best of luck building in VA

LittleMan55
04-18-08, 7:04 pm
Looked at Torrent. Was kinda freaked at the number of calories in the stuff. I'm sure they're clean, but it'll make me miss my afternoon eggs...

Thanks for the word. Best of luck building in VA

Thanks man! I just figured I would throw it out there and see what you thought. MMMM eggs!

qu13txr10t
04-18-08, 8:32 pm
been taking pump since the beginning of this month. so far i love it. take it bout 5 pm. then after workout i take cellmass. i have been taking cellmass since around january. had pretty good results with it. gunna drop it and either take something like nitro or nothing at all

BenchinBoB
04-19-08, 2:12 am
been taking pump since the beginning of this month. so far i love it. take it bout 5 pm. then after workout i take cellmass. i have been taking cellmass since around january. had pretty good results with it. gunna drop it and either take something like nitro or nothing at all

I see that your 15, at your age just stick to protein

its nice to see someone so young, If i were in your shoes i would be eating protein as much as possible, with a decent workout program your looking to have a good start at a very young age

mustgetbig
04-19-08, 8:15 am
been taking pump since the beginning of this month. so far i love it. take it bout 5 pm. then after workout i take cellmass. i have been taking cellmass since around january. had pretty good results with it. gunna drop it and either take something like nitro or nothing at all

yea bro your 15 stick to food and by the way you broke a rule dont talk about or mention other products other than universal nutrition bro

qu13txr10t
04-19-08, 11:42 am
yea bro your 15 stick to food and by the way you broke a rule dont talk about or mention other products other than universal nutrition bro

ok ill try some protein and im sry i forgot. some days i just feel like shit and forget alot of stuff

MassMan
04-19-08, 7:39 pm
ok ill try some protein and im sry i forgot. some days i just feel like shit and forget alot of stuff

@ 15, Pak, Protein, and some type of creatine. Focus on a good training routine, eat big, sleep like there's no tomorrow.

qu13txr10t
04-19-08, 7:45 pm
@ 15, Pak, Protein, and some type of creatine. Focus on a good training routine, eat big, sleep like there's no tomorrow.


thanks man. umm wat kinda creatine would u suggest? would pump work? cuz i got some of that right now

MassMan
04-19-08, 8:20 pm
thanks man. umm wat kinda creatine would u suggest? would pump work? cuz i got some of that right now

Pump is a great creatine supplement. It also covers Pre workout and does what it says on the can. Gives you insane pumps and a controlled, focused energy throughout the workout.

Another great source and my personal favorite is Universal's Storm. It's a 4 stage creatine supplement with 4 different creatines. Great for intra workout or post workout. Also tastes really good......

If you want, you should invest in some good ol fahioned Creatine Monohydrate.

Universal makes all these creatines. Check with their website...

www.universalnutrition.com
Have fun growing.

qu13txr10t
04-19-08, 8:41 pm
Pump is a great creatine supplement. It also covers Pre workout and does what it says on the can. Gives you insane pumps and a controlled, focused energy throughout the workout.

Another great source and my personal favorite is Universal's Storm. It's a 4 stage creatine supplement with 4 different creatines. Great for intra workout or post workout. Also tastes really good......

If you want, you should invest in some good ol fahioned Creatine Monohydrate.

Universal makes all these creatines. Check with their website...

www.universalnutrition.com
Have fun growing.



hey thanks man. i appriciate it. ill check it out

Shukin
04-20-08, 8:08 pm
Hey U-Rep,
I am thinking to add Universal OKG and GH-max to my stack after reading ox's stable.
Current Stack;
Pak
Flex
Pump (off days)
Shock Therapy(pre)
Storm,(big Ant drink during)
Torrent (post)
Nitro upon waking up
zma before bed....

Eating lots as well... I have used several cycles of Stack #7 with great results..

SO, what do you think of adding OKG and GH_max?
I am 39, on a constant quest for lean mass.

Hoomgar
04-21-08, 1:31 pm
Looks like a well rounded stack, but I HIGHLY recommend adding Uni-Liver as one of your base supps. And one more thing: be careful about using 5-HTP everyday. I have come across research that shows prolonged daily use can have some negative effects. Maybe just use it a few times a week, or every other day, or 3 weeks on then one week off (like the cycled Animal supps). You should be sleeping fine with ZMA and melatonin anyway.


Thanks for the feedback bro. I can't believe I forgot to list my Uni-liver tabs. They are one of my favorite supps. I nibble them all day long. I'm on my second 500 tablet tub of them :)

The 5-HTP I don't use to help me sleep. I use it for the Seretonin benefit. Can you point me to the info you mentioned? I'd like to read up. Can never learn enough. Thanks again.

tom10
04-23-08, 2:09 pm
we start pre-season rugby training in july and my big aim to put on 2-3kg (4-6lbs) but stay lean so i'm thinking:

pak (with breakfast)
stak (pre-workout)
eaa stack (during workout- never used AA's before, keen to try)
torrent (post-workout)
real gains with skim milk (before bed)
zma pro (before bed)

HOWEVER, i know that you shouldn't take zma with any foods containing calcium (eg real gains) as it diminishes uptake. so my question is:

do i take zma an hour or so before bed then real gains just before i sleep, or the other way round?

any ideas are greatly appreciated!

cheers

Enforcer
04-23-08, 2:12 pm
Currently:
Animal Pak
Animal M-Stak
Animal Cuts
Animal Plex
Animal Omega
Animal Max

From Universal:
BetaAla9
N1-T
ZMA Pro
Ultra Iso Whey

HARDWORK1
04-23-08, 2:27 pm
Wattup flellas, with the new arrival of Animal Omega, and my eagerness to change up my current stack, I have done just that. Ive been cutting for over a month and a half now and have lost alot of body fat% and can visibly tell the difference in the mirror, which never lies. Anyway, here is my old and new stack, any comments UREp and others,, is this a good change? Add anything? Take out anything? Thanks in advance.

Old Stak:
Pak
Cuts
Pump
Test
Nitro (1 pak post workout)

New Stak:
pak
Cuts
Shock Therapy
Omega
Nitro (1 pak preworkout, 1 pak post workout)

Enforcer
04-23-08, 2:39 pm
Wattup flellas, with the new arrival of Animal Omega, and my eagerness to change up my current stack, I have done just that. Ive been cutting for over a month and a half now and have lost alot of body fat% and can visibly tell the difference in the mirror, which never lies. Anyway, here is my old and new stack, any comments UREp and others,, is this a good change? Add anything? Take out anything? Thanks in advance.

Old Stak:
Pak
Cuts
Pump
Test
Nitro (1 pak post workout)

New Stak:
pak
Cuts
Shock Therapy
Omega
Nitro (1 pak preworkout, 1 pak post workout)

I would drop the Shock and go get yourself some M-Stak

Hoomgar
04-23-08, 2:41 pm
we start pre-season rugby training in july and my big aim to put on 2-3kg (4-6lbs) but stay lean so i'm thinking:

pak (with breakfast)
stak (pre-workout)
eaa stack (during workout- never used AA's before, keen to try)
torrent (post-workout)
real gains with skim milk (before bed)
zma pro (before bed)

HOWEVER, i know that you shouldn't take zma with any foods containing calcium (eg real gains) as it diminishes uptake. so my question is:

do i take zma an hour or so before bed then real gains just before i sleep, or the other way round?

any ideas are greatly appreciated!

cheers


I'm not promising that this is the right answer but this is what I do. I make sure I don't eat anything at least one hour before bed. I take my ZMA pro and then do my bed time stuff. Whatever that may be, shower, brush teeth, say goodnight to kids, check email quick, etc...
then about a half hour to 40 minutes after I have taken the ZMA I suck down my Casein shake and jump in bed. Timing does not have to be written in stone but I have been doing it this way for a while now and it works well. The ZMA has kicked in full force by about a half hour or so and then I figure the calcium in that wont kill it too much. It's been working great for me. I also don't think it really matters that much. Any effort you make is probably good enough.

tom10
04-23-08, 3:38 pm
I'm not promising that this is the right answer but this is what I do. I make sure I don't eat anything at least one hour before bed. I take my ZMA pro and then do my bed time stuff. Whatever that may be, shower, brush teeth, say goodnight to kids, check email quick, etc...
then about a half hour to 40 minutes after I have taken the ZMA I suck down my Casein shake and jump in bed. Timing does not have to be written in stone but I have been doing it this way for a while now and it works well. The ZMA has kicked in full force by about a half hour or so and then I figure the calcium in that wont kill it too much. It's been working great for me. I also don't think it really matters that much. Any effort you make is probably good enough.


cheers bro, i was thinking that'd be the way to go. great feedback, appreciate it.

pmug0000
04-23-08, 6:33 pm
Just started today:

Animal Line:
Pak
M Stak
Flex
Nitro

Universal:
Torrent
Beta Ala9
Shock Therapy
BCAA Stack
EAA stack
Natural Sterol Complex

Hoomgar
04-24-08, 10:08 am
Just started today:

Animal Line:
Pak
M Stak
Flex
Nitro

Universal:
Torrent
Beta Ala9
Shock Therapy
BCAA Stack
EAA stack
Natural Sterol Complex

M-Stak & NSC FTW! Time to grow son! I ran only one bottle of NSC and made some notable gains and thickness from it. It also made me eat like a bull and pack on a bit too much chub. I'm going to run it again and keep better reigns on my diet. It was completely my fault but I really like that NSC. I was thinking about stacking it with Stak but your idea of stacking it with M-Stak has me intrigued. Let me know how that goes bro.

Universal Rep
04-28-08, 3:22 pm
Wattup flellas, with the new arrival of Animal Omega, and my eagerness to change up my current stack, I have done just that. Ive been cutting for over a month and a half now and have lost alot of body fat% and can visibly tell the difference in the mirror, which never lies. Anyway, here is my old and new stack, any comments UREp and others,, is this a good change? Add anything? Take out anything? Thanks in advance.

Old Stak:
Pak
Cuts
Pump
Test
Nitro (1 pak post workout)

New Stak:
pak
Cuts
Shock Therapy
Omega
Nitro (1 pak preworkout, 1 pak post workout)

Responded to your other supplement thread. Are we good here bro?

Universal Rep
04-28-08, 3:23 pm
Hey U-Rep,
I am thinking to add Universal OKG and GH-max to my stack after reading ox's stable.
Current Stack;
Pak
Flex
Pump (off days)
Shock Therapy(pre)
Storm,(big Ant drink during)
Torrent (post)
Nitro upon waking up
zma before bed....

Eating lots as well... I have used several cycles of Stack #7 with great results..

SO, what do you think of adding OKG and GH_max?
I am 39, on a constant quest for lean mass.

Me, I'd start with a little OKG and see how that works for ya. Should slot in nicely with your current stack.

kearney6
05-01-08, 11:47 pm
I am currently on animal pak everyday plus animal stak followed by m-stak rotating the two every 21 days. I've been competing in powerlifting(bench only) since 07 .Animal has turned me into a beast in the gym.I'll never use another brand.

SQUAT or DIE!
05-02-08, 12:10 am
pak
flex
omega
nitro
amino pills
storm
a whey isolate protein

and lots food..

Youngin16
05-02-08, 5:41 am
Yesterday on my birthday i decided to order myself a little birthday present. Heres what i came away with:

Animal Pump
Torrent
Animal Nitro
Tub of Protein
(Pak is a given)

Let me know what you guys think. This is my first time trying all of these products. Im tired of cutting, and its time to unleash the Animals of War.

Semper Fidelis

naturalguy
05-02-08, 7:42 am
Yesterday on my birthday i decided to order myself a little birthday present. Heres what i came away with:

Animal Pump
Torrent
Animal Nitro
Tub of Protein
(Pak is a given)

Let me know what you guys think. This is my first time trying all of these products. Im tired of cutting, and its time to unleash the Animals of War.

Semper Fidelis

Happy Birthday! Stack looks good

Hoomgar
05-02-08, 10:31 am
(Pak is a given)



I like this guy already! :)

Happy birthday bro!

Ag3ntSneaky
05-04-08, 11:10 pm
Im going on a Bulk, so im going to pick up Pak, Pump, and M-Stack. I hear they work good together.

Hoomgar
05-05-08, 11:18 am
Im going on a Bulk, so im going to pick up Pak, Pump, and M-Stack. I hear they work good together.

Coupled with a good clean high protein diet.. you better believe it buddy. All that is left is to lift hard and sleep.

widdlewade44
05-05-08, 11:23 am
Im going on a Bulk, so im going to pick up Pak, Pump, and M-Stack. I hear they work good together.


think about throwing in Uni-Liver too. Nice stak and good luck on your bulk, peace.

Kevin
widdlewade44

widdlewade44
05-05-08, 11:35 am
Yesterday on my birthday i decided to order myself a little birthday present. Heres what i came away with:

Animal Pump
Torrent
Animal Nitro
Tub of Protein
(Pak is a given)

Let me know what you guys think. This is my first time trying all of these products. Im tired of cutting, and its time to unleash the Animals of War.

Semper Fidelis


Happy Birthday! Stack looks good

and I agree with NG, that's a great stak. Good luck with it Devil Dog.

Semper Fi,

Kevin
widdlewade44

bigunz85
05-06-08, 1:42 am
kind of new to animal but i just ordered pak, pump, test. Hope it works :)

kcinnitram91
05-09-08, 12:55 pm
My newest bulk stack!

Animal Pak
Animal Pump
Animal M-Stak
Animal Omega
Universal Uni-Liver
Cherry Torrent

qu13txr10t
05-10-08, 8:52 pm
shock therapy
nitro
torrent
and real gains

just ordered them the other day. wat yall think?

herdz
05-10-08, 9:17 pm
shock therapy
nitro
torrent
and real gains

just ordered them the other day. wat yall think?

where the pak be???

qu13txr10t
05-11-08, 3:51 pm
where the pak be???

ya i kno i gotta get some more money.. then ill get that and probably some flex but didnt have enough

pmug0000
05-11-08, 6:28 pm
ya i kno i gotta get some more money.. then ill get that and probably some flex but didnt have enough

Pak is supposed to come before all the other supps. Especially since you're 15, you don't need Shock Therapy and Torrent. Just stick with Pak and Real Gains and you'll be straight.

Hoomgar
05-12-08, 1:43 pm
where the pak be???


Pak is supposed to come before all the other supps. Especially since you're 15, you don't need Shock Therapy and Torrent. Just stick with Pak and Real Gains and you'll be straight.


x3, dump one of the other supps and get the Pak. Foundation first, then go up from there buddy.

Mr. Dead
05-12-08, 1:45 pm
x3, dump one of the other supps and get the Pak. Foundation first, then go up from there buddy.

Why does everybody forget the most important one...?

Hoomgar
05-12-08, 2:33 pm
Why does everybody forget the most important one...?

I'm helpin a brother in PM's right now with the same thing. He has M-Stak and A-Pump stacked up but hasn't added the Pak yet. Says not enough money. This is backwards. I really hope these newest guys see this. Food, water, work out, rest then supplement stacks starting with the Pak.

M-Bond
05-13-08, 4:45 pm
Hello, I'm new to the forum and rather new to Animal products. I recently finished my one stack of...

Pak
M-Stak
Pump

Must say it was a great stack and will be a lifetime supporter of Animal products and an active member on the forum. My new stack is now...

Cuts
Pak
M-Stak
Pump
Nitro

Unfortunately I do not have access to a gym due to the fact I live an hour from any city/town with a gym as I live in the country but I do have a Bowflex Xtreme 2 SE so Ive been using that. I wanted to purchase more weights and shit but since I will be moving out soon my parents dont want me to buy any more stuff and clutter up the house. Ive seen some good results especially since Ive been using the Animal products. If anyone has a good routine or something please let me know remember theres some exercises I can not do example being power cleans since I got a Bowflex but my old routine is getting boring and looking for a pro's advice on a new routine to put on more mass.

Thanks and hope to learn alot more now that I am a member here at the forums.

Mike

thenothingthatis
05-14-08, 8:55 pm
this is my first time using Universal products, so I need help. I'm on my 5th week of EDT and I thought maybe I could help push up my 5RMs by supplementing with m-stak and pump for three weeks or so. Anyway, I'm 5'2" and 145 lbs, 21% bodyfat, been lifting for a year, probably an endomorph, and currently I eat around 2000-2200 calories a day, around 150 g protein. I also started supplementing with pure CEE just last week. My other supplements are: whey, R-ALA, sesamine+episesamine (to limit fat gains), vit E, vit C, ZMA, fish oil, and a multivitamin. I want to gain strength but want to limit/lose fat. My questions:

1. I usually workout in the morning MWF, 6-7 am. I eat my breakfast around 5 am, an hour before workout. Should I take m-stak and pump together 30 minutes before my workout? What's the best way to take it?

2. Usually I take 200 mg R-ALA 15 mins before my breakfast, and I think there is also R-ALA in pump. Should I lessen my R-ALA intake to just 100 mg before breakfast because of the R-ALA in pump?

3. Am i supplementing too much?

4. On my OFF days, I just do 30 mins of high intensity interval jogging every morning. I was thinking maybe I could just use my pure CEE here instead of using pump? But I still have to take m-stak on my off days?

Universal Rep
05-15-08, 3:11 pm
Hello, I'm new to the forum and rather new to Animal products. I recently finished my one stack of...

Pak
M-Stak
Pump

Must say it was a great stack and will be a lifetime supporter of Animal products and an active member on the forum. My new stack is now...

Cuts
Pak
M-Stak
Pump
Nitro

Unfortunately I do not have access to a gym due to the fact I live an hour from any city/town with a gym as I live in the country but I do have a Bowflex Xtreme 2 SE so Ive been using that. I wanted to purchase more weights and shit but since I will be moving out soon my parents dont want me to buy any more stuff and clutter up the house. Ive seen some good results especially since Ive been using the Animal products. If anyone has a good routine or something please let me know remember theres some exercises I can not do example being power cleans since I got a Bowflex but my old routine is getting boring and looking for a pro's advice on a new routine to put on more mass.

Thanks and hope to learn alot more now that I am a member here at the forums.

Mike

It's a great stack you're running... Unfortunately, I don't have any recommendations for ya on the Bowflex...

Universal Rep
05-15-08, 3:16 pm
1. I usually workout in the morning MWF, 6-7 am. I eat my breakfast around 5 am, an hour before workout. Should I take m-stak and pump together 30 minutes before my workout? What's the best way to take it?

2. Usually I take 200 mg R-ALA 15 mins before my breakfast, and I think there is also R-ALA in pump. Should I lessen my R-ALA intake to just 100 mg before breakfast because of the R-ALA in pump?

3. Am i supplementing too much?

4. On my OFF days, I just do 30 mins of high intensity interval jogging every morning. I was thinking maybe I could just use my pure CEE here instead of using pump? But I still have to take m-stak on my off days?

1. You can. Just be sure to drop one of the red caps (stims) from either M-Stak or Pump.
2. I would lessen or remove entirely to start, and then, based on your results, reintroduce. My philosophy is always less, not more.
3. I'm not sure what "too much" is and that is answered differently by different individuals. Again, I like to keep things fairly simple myself.
4. You can replace Pump with creatine on off days. Yes, M-Stak on all days.

ghost
05-15-08, 3:43 pm
my current stak....

wake up... eat. Pak, Flex, 3 pills Beta Ala9, and 4 Uniliver tabs.

meal 2. with Uni-Liver Tabs
meal 3. with Uni-Liver Tabs
meal 4. with Uni-Liver Tabs
meal 5.preworkout with Mstak and Nitro with Uni-Liver Tabs
shake PWO with more Nitro and depending upon the training session, another Pak
meal 6. more Uni-Liver tabs.
meal 7. 3 pills beta ala9 with Uni-Liver Tabs
meal 8. last set of Uni-Liver tabs.

thenothingthatis
05-15-08, 8:56 pm
thanks man!

bobbymart
05-26-08, 7:15 pm
curent stack
flex
pak
uniliver between meals
eaa nitro post workout before cardio
spm protien
creatine mono in my 3 shakes a day

Youngin16
05-27-08, 8:19 am
Alright running low on my Pump and its been alright, dont really feel the stims in it but i do feel somewhat of a pump in the gym. I was thinking of going with Shock and Storm next and keeping my nitro and torrent for post work out cause i think powders work better for me. I know pump takes about 7 to 10 days for it to fully take effect and im about half way through the can and im starting to feel a little bigger. So my stack will look like this.

(Pak's a given)
Shock 30min Pre
Storm 10 minutes pre
Nitro immediately before
WORKOUT
Nitro/Torrent immediately after
and then post w/o shake 30 to 45 minutes after.

Please critique this let me know if i should add or subtract anything from this.

stro6531
06-05-08, 10:57 am
current stak:

cuts: 30 min prior to breakfast
pak: with breakfast
cuts:30 min prior to lunch
m-stak:45 prior to w/o
pump: 15 prior to w/o
nitro: immediatelly following training
omega: with my last meal before bed

this has givin me outstanding results........animal man for life!!!!

Universal Rep
06-06-08, 11:04 am
Alright running low on my Pump and its been alright, dont really feel the stims in it but i do feel somewhat of a pump in the gym. I was thinking of going with Shock and Storm next and keeping my nitro and torrent for post work out cause i think powders work better for me. I know pump takes about 7 to 10 days for it to fully take effect and im about half way through the can and im starting to feel a little bigger. So my stack will look like this.

(Pak's a given)
Shock 30min Pre
Storm 10 minutes pre
Nitro immediately before
WORKOUT
Nitro/Torrent immediately after
and then post w/o shake 30 to 45 minutes after.

Please critique this let me know if i should add or subtract anything from this.

Looks solid. Though Corporate might not like me, I say drop the Storm. Between Shock and Torrent, you're covered. If ya really like the product, then use the Storm only on the off days so you keep your creatine levels up. Also, drop the Nitro to a single serving on training days--no need for two based on your stack, IMHO. Prime your workout with Nitro before, and just rely on the Torrent immediately after. Follow up after that with your shake--make sure it has protein and carbs. Goodl luck.

Universal Rep
06-06-08, 11:04 am
current stak:

cuts: 30 min prior to breakfast
pak: with breakfast
cuts:30 min prior to lunch
m-stak:45 prior to w/o
pump: 15 prior to w/o
nitro: immediatelly following training
omega: with my last meal before bed

this has givin me outstanding results........animal man for life!!!!

Pak? Omega? Nitro? You've got the basics covered bro...

stro6531
06-06-08, 11:07 am
Pak? Omega? Nitro? You've got the basics covered bro...

bro i dont leave home without it

Universal Rep
06-06-08, 11:16 am
bro i dont leave home without it

Ditto.

Hoomgar
06-06-08, 11:31 am
Ditto.


The packs of Pak and Omega fit right into my pocket so when I stroll into the restaurant to have my steak and eggs breakfast they are right with me for the quick slam down. So much better than putting loose pills or a fat pill bottle in your pocket.

wsigmund
06-09-08, 5:01 pm
Ok i am new to the whole supplement thing and am looking for the best way to make some decent gains in size within a 4 month period at a low budget. Anyone have any good ideas on what would work best for me being on a tight budget? All recommendations are greatly appreciated.

pmug0000
06-09-08, 5:05 pm
Ok i am new to the whole supplement thing and am looking for the best way to make some decent gains in size within a 4 month period at a low budget. Anyone have any good ideas on what would work best for me being on a tight budget? All recommendations are greatly appreciated.

Pak and Real Gains.

Hoomgar
06-09-08, 5:08 pm
Ok i am new to the whole supplement thing and am looking for the best way to make some decent gains in size within a 4 month period at a low budget. Anyone have any good ideas on what would work best for me being on a tight budget? All recommendations are greatly appreciated.


You gotta give these people more details if you want a quality answer.

Age, gender, goals (want to cut or want to bulk, get toned or build muscle), current body fat & weight, experience level in lifting. Any current health conditions that may not do well with supplements? As much detail as you are willing to release. The more info you give the better advice you will get.

There are boat loads of articles on this site on diet and exercise routines.

Hoomgar
06-09-08, 5:09 pm
Pak and Real Gains.

LOL! Or that for the quick, dry but very accurate answer :)

ADURO
06-09-08, 5:10 pm
Hey brothers,

I want to include Omega in my current stack:

Cuts: Morning before cardio
Pak: with breakfast
Nitro: Pre- workout
Universal Torrent: Post- workout

Do you see a problem with adding Omega? I know its a building block like Nitro and Pak and should I take it with my first meal and Pak or before bed?

Thanks for your help

SQUAT or DIE!
06-09-08, 5:13 pm
Hey brothers,

I want to include Omega in my current stack:

Cuts: Morning before cardio
Pak: with breakfast
Nitro: Pre- workout
Universal Torrent: Post- workout

Do you see a problem with adding Omega? I know its a building block like Nitro and Pak and should I take it with my first meal and Pak or before bed?

Thanks for your help

there shouldnt be any problem with adding it.. and i take it with my first meal

wsigmund
06-09-08, 5:16 pm
Ok to make things easier for you all i am 38yr old male. Have been lifting for about 1yr now in the military so pretty good shape with about 13% body fat and weight is 168 lbs. My goal is to gain quality muscle mass. I dont have any current health issues.

Enforcer
06-09-08, 5:18 pm
Animal Pak
Animal Test
Animal Stak
Animal Omega
Animal Flex
Animal Max
Uni Liver
EAA Stak
BCAA Stak
NOX3

ADURO
06-09-08, 5:47 pm
Thanks! looking frorward to trying it out

PERSEVERE

USNA2011
06-09-08, 7:30 pm
I want to go with what "The House" mentioned in his article.

Morning: The pak

pre workout: Animal Stak

Mid workout: Animal nitro

Post: Torrent

Before bed: NOX3 and ZMA Pro

What do ya think? And, does anyone have any suggestions on where to get these supps really cheap online? (besides bodybuilding)

SQUAT or DIE!
06-09-08, 7:33 pm
I want to go with what "The House" mentioned in his article.

Morning: The pak

pre workout: Animal Stak

Mid workout: Animal nitro

Post: Torrent

Before bed: NOX3 and ZMA Pro

What do ya think? And, does anyone have any suggestions on where to get these supps really cheap online? (besides bodybuilding)


dpsnutrition.net

stack looks good to me...

FREEK
06-09-08, 10:06 pm
How does this stack look for a 15 year old
Pak
eaa stack
Storm
uni liver
It's pretty much the basics so I thought it would be alright for me...my diet is also stable so it should be alright then? Also around my workout when should I take the eaa stack and when should I take the storm. Thanks for any advice

SQUAT or DIE!
06-09-08, 10:07 pm
How does this stack look for a 15 year old
Pak
eaa stack
Storm
uni liver
It's pretty much the basics so I thought it would be alright for me...my diet is also stable so it should be alright then? Also around my workout when should I take the eaa stack and when should I take the storm. Thanks for any advice

looks pretty good to me...

WarrDawg
06-09-08, 10:42 pm
I workout first thing (5-6 am) in the morning so here is what it is:

Pre-workout
Animal Test
Animal Pump
Beta-Ala9
Lumina CellFood
Chased down with Cran-blueberry juice for that insulin spike...

Post-workout
Universal Torrent-cherry berry blast (can't wait to try the apple)

With breakfast:
Animal Pak
CLA
Chromium Picolinate
Flaxseed Oil
Cholestoff (Plant sterol complex)

Beta Ala9 4 hrs after the first dose.

As much protein I can eat or drink from various sources throughout the day.

Evening before bed:
Animal Flex
DHEA
CLA
Lumina CellFood
Chased down with a Protein shake.
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=1025064&l=d82d1&id=738752867

JimmyZ
06-10-08, 12:09 am
My stack on Keto:

Wake: Pak, Cuts, Flex,
Lunch: Cuts,
45min PreWO: Pump
Start WO: Nitro
Post WO: Nitro

Adding Omega in soon and possibly Mstak. Not sure if I should with Mstak on Keto though, getting mixed responses. Gonna do Keto for 8-10 weeks and then bulk with Test.

wsigmund
06-10-08, 2:10 pm
Ok i am looking to gain as much quality mass i can within the next 4 months. I am 38yrs old Just started lifting again after about 3yrs off due to shoulder injury. I weigh in at 165 lbs and about 15% body fat. The stack i am thinking of using is as follows:

pak
stak
shock

what do you all think of this? Any suggestions on what to change or maybe add?

Enforcer
06-10-08, 2:14 pm
Ok i am looking to gain as much quality mass i can within the next 4 months. I am 38yrs old Just started lifting again after about 3yrs off due to shoulder injury. I weigh in at 165 lbs and about 15% body fat. The stack i am thinking of using is as follows:

pak
stak
shock

what do you all think of this? Any suggestions on what to change or maybe add?

Here ya go bro, the lay of the land:

Animal Pak
Animal Stak
Animal Nitro
Animal Flex
Torrent
Shock Therapy

wsigmund
06-10-08, 4:13 pm
Ok i am looking to gain as much quality mass i can within the next 4 months. I am 38yrs old Just started lifting again after about 3yrs off due to shoulder injury. I weigh in at 165 lbs and about 15% body fat. The stack i am thinking of using is as follows:

pak
stak
shock

what do you all think of this? Any suggestions on what to change or maybe add?

Ok along with the stack above i also got some other supplements from a military friend of mine here in iraq who had to leave and because of weight limits couldnt take the stuff with him so i figure might as well use it. I know there not univeral products but he gave me a full 360ct nitrix, a full no xplode and 2 full cellmass. Any ideas on how i can use these along with the stack above? Once i run out of the bsn products then i am going all animal for sure. Any ideas on how to put all these together would be appreciated.

FREEK
06-18-08, 12:48 am
I just got my eaa stack and storm today and I was wondering how I could best fit them in around my workout. I also have a whey isolate shake I usually take before and after, but now that I have the eaa stack and storm I thought I could lay it out like this...

-Eaa Stack preworkout
-Storm during
-Whey shake postworkout

does this sound like it would work good. Up until now I've only been taking pak and my protein shake so these supps. are new to me. Also is it alright to mix my shake post w/o with milk cause I think I read somewhere that it slows absorbtion of the protein. Thanks in advance for any replies.peace

Shukin
06-19-08, 7:58 pm
I am 39, on Wrath's split workout on page 51 of "JOURNEY", workout in the am on an empty stomach..... on a constant bulk with the side goal of loosing my stubborn love handles.


Upon awakening: Nitro
L-carnitine
30-40mins pre workout: Pump (on tired morns, washed down with ST)
Right before workout: GH Max
Intra workout: Big Ant drink ( Strom, Bcaa stack, glutamine, gatoraide)
immediately after: Nitro
15-20 mins later : Torrent

First meal: Pack
Each meal after: uniliver, fish oil
last meal: Flex
Before bed: Gh max

just a few questions;
1. how does this look? over kill? on?
2. Was taking Universals ZMA before bed but didn't know how to time with GH max
3. Just run out of Torrent! what to do?
4. when gh-max is finished was thinking to do another cycle of stak2....

GJN5002
06-19-08, 8:20 pm
I am 39, on Wrath's split workout on page 51 of "JOURNEY", workout in the am on an empty stomach..... on a constant bulk with the side goal of loosing my stubborn love handles.


Upon awakening: Nitro
L-carnitine
30-40mins pre workout: Pump (on tired morns, washed down with ST)
Right before workout: GH Max
Intra workout: Big Ant drink ( Strom, Bcaa stack, glutamine, gatoraide)
immediately after: Nitro
15-20 mins later : Torrent

First meal: Pack
Each meal after: uniliver, fish oil
last meal: Flex
Before bed: Gh max

just a few questions;
1. how does this look? over kill? on?
2. Was taking Universals ZMA before bed but didn't know how to time with GH max
3. Just run out of Torrent! what to do?
4. when gh-max is finished was thinking to do another cycle of stak2....

my biggest problem is youre working out on an empty stomach which is a horible idea in my opinion. At the very least get some aminos in but you really shoud be getting some solid carbs and protein an hour before workout. Your body has no fuel to burn! I would eliminate the gh max before your workout and save it for bedtime. GH levels depend on the type of workout you do. heavy low rep with rest creates adifferent hormone resonse than higher rep less rest.

Shukin
06-19-08, 8:37 pm
my biggest problem is youre working out on an empty stomach which is a horible idea in my opinion. At the very least get some aminos in but you really shoud be getting some solid carbs and protein an hour before workout. Your body has no fuel to burn! I would eliminate the gh max before your workout and save it for bedtime. GH levels depend on the type of workout you do. heavy low rep with rest creates adifferent hormone resonse than higher rep less rest.

Thanks for you concern, I do often take nitro upon awakening.. I have also emailed and called universal about the timing of morning shake plus pre workout sups....
All the pre wo sups I take say on an empty stomach, and yes I have read all the articles on how a BB shouldn't have an empty stomach and have been searching for the right solution. Jay Cutler in Jay to Z says he does cardio first thing in the am on an empty stomach! I do have pleanty of energy in the gym, and am continuing to gro on an empty stomach! As for GH MAX before workout, read the label bro, it says to take 4 pre-wo and 2 before bed....

GJN5002
06-19-08, 9:05 pm
Thanks for you concern, I do often take nitro upon awakening.. I have also emailed and called universal about the timing of morning shake plus pre workout sups....
All the pre wo sups I take say on an empty stomach, and yes I have read all the articles on how a BB shouldn't have an empty stomach and have been searching for the right solution. Jay Cutler in Jay to Z says he does cardio first thing in the am on an empty stomach! I do have pleanty of energy in the gym, and am continuing to gro on an empty stomach! As for GH MAX before workout, read the label bro, it says to take 4 pre-wo and 2 before bed....

jay cutler isnt a very good person to model for obvious reasons. Eitherway, hes doing cardio on an empty stomach because there is no carb sources in the body/low glyogen levels so you burn fat for fuel rather than glycogen/carbs. lifting is completly different and the body needs to be in a different state to produce maximal results. Its your choice bro, im just trying to help you out but i will gurantee that if you eat before you workout youll see a tremendous different. And all the labels so "on an empty stomach" isnt that contradictory in itself as bodybuilder should never have an empty stomach..just playign devils advocate there. as for the gh max, whatever floats your boat.

Shukin
06-19-08, 9:59 pm
I hear ya Gin,
May be I should try eating something but I would have to get up even earlier ..... I would have to force feed cause I can't eat upon awakening...

Cheers bro
I AM HOPING U_REP WILL ADD HIS OR HER 2 CENTS HERE AS WELL

P.S. have you seen that episode of the Simpson's when Homer plays devils advocate? Pretty funny

TEMPER
07-14-08, 10:35 pm
i somehow managed to come upon a stockpile of supplements that were offered to me for free by a buddy of mine.. i just took all his Universal and Animal products... perfect timing because i was starting my 1 week of cycling off of supplements...

so in my arsenal, i now have:
(other than my Pak and my whey and casein of course)
-pump
-torrent
-storm
-stak
-animal max protein
-cuts
-nitro


so this is what i had in mind...
-Pak with breakfast
-stak 45 minutes before workout
-pump 30 minutes before workout
-nitro and storm halfway through workout
-torrent immediately after workout
-max 30-45 minutes after torrent

only question is where/when, if at all, if i wanna throw in cuts..
it would kind of defeat the purpose of taking some of the products above if im taking cuts or no?

Mr. Aestheticz
07-16-08, 12:57 pm
Weeks: 7, 6, and 5 (1800 Calories)
B4 Cardio: Animal Cuts
During Cardio: 1 Serving EAA Stack
B-Fast: 1 Animal Pak, 1 Animal Flex, 1 Animal Omega
Through Out Day/Work: 2 Servings of EAA Stack in gallon water
WO Meal: 30 minutes after last bite 1 Animal Pak
30 B4 WO: 1 Animal Pump, 1 Animal Nitro, 1 Animal Cuts, 1 Animal Test
During WO: 2 Serving EAA Stack with 5g Glutamine
Post WO: 1 Animal Nitro, 1 serving of Storm
B4 Bed: 1 Serving EAA Stack with 5g Glutamine, 3 Universal ZMA


Week 4 (1750 Calories)
Morning Cardio: 1 Serving EAA Stack
B-Fast: 1 Animal Pak, 1 Animal Flex, 1 Animal Omega
Through Out Day/Work: 3 Servings of EAA Stack in gallon water
WO Meal: 30 minutes after last bite 1 Animal Pak
30 B4 WO: 1 Animal Pump, 1 Animal Nitro
During WO: 1 Serving EAA Stack with 5g Glutamine
Post WO: 1 Animal Nitro, 1 Serving of Storm
B4 Bed: 1 Serving EAA Stack with 5g Glutamine, 3 Universal ZMA


Weeks: 3 & 2 (1500 Calories)
B4 Cardio: Animal Cuts
Morning Cardio: 1 Serving EAA Stack
B-Fast: 1 Animal Pak, 1 Animal Flex, 1 Animal Omega
Through Out Day/Work: 4 Servings of EAA Stack in gallon water
After WO Meal: 30 minutes after last bite 1 Animal Pak
30 B4 WO: 1 Animal Pump, 1 Animal Nitro, 1 Animal Cuts, 1 Animal Test
During WO: 3 Serving EAA Stack with 5g Glutamine
Post WO: 1 Animal Nitro, 5g Glutamine
B4 Bed: 1 Serving EAA Stack with 5g Glutamine, 3 Universal ZMA

Week: 1 (Week of the show) (1200 Calories)
B4 Cardio: Animal Cuts
Morning Cardio: 1 Serving EAA Stack
B-Fast: 1 Animal Pak, 1 Animal Flex, 1 Animal Omega
Through Out Day/Work: 5 Servings of EAA Stack in gallon water
After WO Meal: 30 minutes after last bite 1 Animal Pak
30 B4 WO: 1 Animal Pump, 1 Animal Nitro, 1 Animal Cuts, 1 Animal Test
During WO: 3 Serving EAA Stack with 5g Glutamine
Post WO: 1 Animal Nitro, 5g Glutamine
B4 Bed: 1 Serving EAA Stack with 5g Glutamine, 3 Universal ZMA

PETE 97
07-20-08, 10:55 pm
I take cuts first thing in the morning, pak after i eat breakfast, stak at about 2 p.m., then i take cuts and pump a half hour before i lift which is at about 6 p.m.. I take the stims out of the pump so that i dont overdo it. But, im wondering if i should switch the stak and cuts and take the cuts first thing in the morning and then a half our before lunch, than stak a half hour before i lift. The reason i wonder is because i do cardio after i lift so i figured i should take the cuts before i lift rather than the stak. Im sure its posted somewhere and it seems like iv read it before, but now i cant find it. Thanks for your help fellas, i appreciate it.

TheDarkHalf
07-20-08, 11:50 pm
Here's how I would run it...

Cuts when your feet hit the floor

45 mins to an hour later eat breakfast and take your Pak

Cuts an hour after lunch

Stak 45 mins pre-wo

pump 20-30 mins pre-wo


Just remember that cuts needs to be taken upon waking and then another 4-6 hours later. Stak also needs to be staggered after cuts, and should be taken 3-4 hours after your 2nd pack of cuts.

http://forum.animalpak.com/showthread.php?t=6823&highlight=Stak+Cuts

Enforcer
07-21-08, 2:00 pm
I take cuts first thing in the morning, pak after i eat breakfast, stak at about 2 p.m., then i take cuts and pump a half hour before i lift which is at about 6 p.m.. I take the stims out of the pump so that i dont overdo it. But, im wondering if i should switch the stak and cuts and take the cuts first thing in the morning and then a half our before lunch, than stak a half hour before i lift. The reason i wonder is because i do cardio after i lift so i figured i should take the cuts before i lift rather than the stak. Im sure its posted somewhere and it seems like iv read it before, but now i cant find it. Thanks for your help fellas, i appreciate it.

Here is how I would do it bro:

Animal Cuts: 1 pack upon awakening, 1 pack 30 minutes prior to training
Animal Pak: 1 pack with breakfast
Animal Stak: 1 pack 45 minutes prior to training (you want to take Stak prior to lifting so you will feel that hormone boost while you are training)
Animal Pump: 1 pack 20 minutes prior to training (no red pill)

TheDarkHalf
07-21-08, 4:16 pm
Here is how I would do it bro:

Animal Cuts: 1 pack upon awakening, 1 pack 30 minutes prior to training
Animal Pak: 1 pack with breakfast
Animal Stak: 1 pack 45 minutes prior to training (you want to take Stak prior to lifting so you will feel that hormone boost while you are training)
Animal Pump: 1 pack 20 minutes prior to training (no red pill)

So is staggering cuts and stak not that important? Just curious, I'm going to be trying that stack as well.

Cellerator65
07-21-08, 7:01 pm
i think m-stak and cuts are the only you really need to stagger

TheDarkHalf
07-21-08, 7:53 pm
i think m-stak and cuts are the only you really need to stagger

well that link that I found posted above says otherwise, but i'm just curious as to what works best.

d4vid
07-22-08, 12:58 pm
I just started almost same stack but I'm not using pump at the moment..
This is how I take it..
I'm going to start taking pump as soon as I'm finished with no xplode..
I didn't watned to throw 1/2 tub away :D

5:30am cut
6:00am breakfast
9:00am snack
11:30am Cut
12:00pm lunch
3:00pm snack
4:50pm Animal Stak
5:10pm no xplode
5:30pm gym
7:00pm post workout shake + meal/dinner

Enforcer
07-22-08, 3:28 pm
So is staggering cuts and stak not that important? Just curious, I'm going to be trying that stack as well.

What do u mean by stagger? Like I said before the idea of taking Stak before you train is to get the feel of the hormone boost.

TheDarkHalf
07-22-08, 4:50 pm
What do u mean by stagger? Like I said before the idea of taking Stak before you train is to get the feel of the hormone boost.

well in that link I posted previously it said to leave 3-4 hours in between the time you use Cuts and the time you take Stak. I was just wondering if it was best to follow these instructions or your instructions where you said to take Stak 45 mins prior to WO and cuts 30 mins prior to WO

Mr. Aestheticz
07-23-08, 10:10 am
What do u mean by stagger? Like I said before the idea of taking Stak before you train is to get the feel of the hormone boost.

Basically when D-half says stagger he is saying "taking at different times" or "seperated", I start my CUTS and STAK stack next week for my 7 week outing from my show!

I agree with the others in staggering these two together, here are my supp/paks arsenal for week 7-5.

Weeks: 7, 6, and 5

A) 6 am Animal Cuts up awakening
B) Cardio at about 6:30/6:45 am depends on what day and how long I want to do cardio in the morning!
C) Cardio done let's say 7:30 am
D) 8 am B-Fast: 1 Animal Pak, 1 Animal Flex, 1 Animal Omega
E) Through Out Day/Work: 3 Servings of EAA Stack in gallon water w/ 10g glutamine
F) 11 am 45 min Before Lunch: Animal Cuts
G) 4:30 pm 30 minutes after last bite of w/o meal 1 Animal Pak (I know I know you only really need 1 Pak, but I feel safe and comfy on my training days taking 2 PAKS)
H) 4:45 pm 45 minutes before training Animal Stak
I) 5 pm 30 min B4 WO: 1 Animal Pump, 1 Animal Nitro
J) Start training at 5:30
K) During WO: 1 Serving EAA Stack with 5g Glutamine, 1/2 serving Storm
L) Post WO: 1 Animal Nitro, 1/2 serving of Storm
M) B4 Bed: 1 Serving EAA Stack with 5g Glutamine, 3 Universal ZMA

I take my two servings of CUTS within the 4 - 6 hour time frame of one another (recommended), and I keep them (2 servings of CUTS) staggered/separated from my STAK 3-5 hours (recommended) and I am still able to take my STAK 45 min before my workout!

Gunz1
07-23-08, 10:14 am
Here it is boys


Animal Pak first thing in the morning
Animal Test 90 mins preworkout
Animal Stak 45 mins preworkout
Animal Mstak 30 mins preworkout
Shock therapy 15 mins preworkout
BCAA stak durring the workout
Immediatly after 2 paks nitro and torrent
before bed i have a shake and Omega

TheDarkHalf
07-23-08, 11:15 am
Basically when D-half says stagger he is saying "taking at different times" or "seperated", I start my CUTS and STAK stack next week for my 7 week outing from my show!

I agree with the others in staggering these two together, here are my supp/paks arsenal for week 7-5.

Weeks: 7, 6, and 5

A) 6 am Animal Cuts up awakening
B) Cardio at about 6:30/6:45 am depends on what day and how long I want to do cardio in the morning!
C) Cardio done let's say 7:30 am
D) 8 am B-Fast: 1 Animal Pak, 1 Animal Flex, 1 Animal Omega
E) Through Out Day/Work: 3 Servings of EAA Stack in gallon water w/ 10g glutamine
F) 11 am 45 min Before Lunch: Animal Cuts
G) 4:30 pm 30 minutes after last bite of w/o meal 1 Animal Pak (I know I know you only really need 1 Pak, but I feel safe and comfy on my training days taking 2 PAKS)
H) 4:45 pm 45 minutes before training Animal Stak
I) 5 pm 30 min B4 WO: 1 Animal Pump, 1 Animal Nitro
J) Start training at 5:30
K) During WO: 1 Serving EAA Stack with 5g Glutamine, 1/2 serving Storm
L) Post WO: 1 Animal Nitro, 1/2 serving of Storm
M) B4 Bed: 1 Serving EAA Stack with 5g Glutamine, 3 Universal ZMA

I take my two servings of CUTS within the 4 - 6 hour time frame of one another (recommended), and I keep them (2 servings of CUTS) staggered/separated from my STAK 3-5 hours (recommended) and I am still able to take my STAK 45 min before my workout!

Yo man I really like this stack! However I don't buy nitro anymore, I feel it's too expensive. I just get all my aminos from my EAA Stack, Uniliver (28 a day), and My off-brand whey and casein which has aminos in it as well. I'm interested in hearing how this stack works for you!

Mr. Aestheticz
07-23-08, 11:36 am
Yo man I really like this stack! However I don't buy nitro anymore, I feel it's too expensive. I just get all my aminos from my EAA Stack, Uniliver (28 a day), and My off-brand whey and casein which has aminos in it as well. I'm interested in hearing how this stack works for you!

Thanks dude I am def siked to see how my results greatly increase, i feel greatly positive and confident in this!

See i used to take a shake before bed, but due to my diet/calories and I am cutting back on protein shakes only having 1 a day for now until 3 weeks out no protein shakes what so ever only whole food!

I will keep you posted, I will post results on my jorney!

......EASY!!!

TheDarkHalf
07-23-08, 1:11 pm
Thanks dude I am def siked to see how my results greatly increase, i feel greatly positive and confident in this!

See i used to take a shake before bed, but due to my diet/calories and I am cutting back on protein shakes only having 1 a day for now until 3 weeks out no protein shakes what so ever only whole food!

I will keep you posted, I will post results on my jorney!

......EASY!!!

Yea same here, right now I only have two protein shakes a day. One at work, and one before bed. And of course torrent after my WO - some may or may not consider that a meal in itself.

sukkaclapt
07-23-08, 7:01 pm
Hi. i'm new to this whole thing so bear with me please, haha. heres my workout....i do muay thai and jiu jitsu every day once i wake up. i do it in a class, so coaches teach it and it is very strenuous. a lot of cardio is involved. i then go to work for the day. after work i go to the gym and do a lifting session. my question is....when should i be taking my staks and paks? i currently have m-stak, stak, and pak. thanks for the help.

-tim

pmug0000
07-23-08, 7:09 pm
Hi. i'm new to this whole thing so bear with me please, haha. heres my workout....i do muay thai and jiu jitsu every day once i wake up. i do it in a class, so coaches teach it and it is very strenuous. a lot of cardio is involved. i then go to work for the day. after work i go to the gym and do a lifting session. my question is....when should i be taking my staks and paks? i currently have m-stak, stak, and pak. thanks for the help.

-tim

You could take Pak with breakfast or any meal, and you could take M-stak in the afternoon or anytime between meals, and you could take Stak 30 min. before your lifting session.

Aaron590
07-24-08, 2:23 am
Cuts-first thing in the morning
Pak- with first meal
Pump- pre-workout
Cuts- pre workout
Nitro- post workout

ROC1291
07-26-08, 12:50 am
Thinking about a new stack fellas...
It's time to order soon so let me know what you all think.

My ultimate goals are lean gains, minimal fat gain.

Animal Pak
Animal Omega
Universal Torrent
M-Stak
Thermo Green Tea x2
Beta Ala9 x2
Uni-Syn x2

Suggestions?

TheDarkHalf
07-26-08, 10:04 am
Thinking about a new stack fellas...
It's time to order soon so let me know what you all think.

My ultimate goals are lean gains, minimal fat gain.

Animal Pak
Animal Omega
Universal Torrent
M-Stak
Thermo Green Tea x2
Beta Ala9 x2
Uni-Syn x2

Suggestions?

The first thing that comes to mind with the thermo green tea is that you should get your green tea from a natural source - Drink it bro! That being said, I'd throw in flex and uni-liver. Those two (along with pak and omega) are staples in all of my stacks. I would go real gains instead of uni-syn - unless you're sensitive to carbs. No ST/Storm or Pump?

thehawk
07-27-08, 1:33 pm
Well I've got these:
2 cans of animal test
1 animal pump
1 animal pak
1 animal stak
1 animal m-stak

I understand that some of these products should be taken when I'm 21, but I believe that I've worked hard the past years and it's time for me to get more bulking, I intend to take protein with them (Optinum whey), Any suggestion regarding taking them, and what to do in order to keep the gains after taking them, or whatever is appreciated!

TheDarkHalf
07-27-08, 2:52 pm
Well I've got these:
2 cans of animal test
1 animal pump
1 animal pak
1 animal stak
1 animal m-stak

I understand that some of these products should be taken when I'm 21, but I believe that I've worked hard the past years and it's time for me to get more bulking, I intend to take protein with them (Optinum whey), Any suggestion regarding taking them, and what to do in order to keep the gains after taking them, or whatever is appreciated!

Animal Pak - Take with first meal of the day
Animal Test - 1 pack with meal prior to training
Animal Stak - 1 pack 45 mins before WO
Animal Pump - 20 mins before your WO

I'd pick up another can of Stak and run two cans of test and stak back to back.

Save the M-Stak for when you run out of Test and Stak. When this happens, start taking M-Stak 45 mins before your WO.

thehawk
07-27-08, 3:52 pm
Thank you TheDarkHalf, I will follow your advice and get another animal stak.

TheDarkHalf
07-27-08, 4:24 pm
Thank you TheDarkHalf, I will follow your advice and get another animal stak.

No problem. Good luck!

Universal Rep
07-29-08, 10:38 am
Thinking about a new stack fellas...
It's time to order soon so let me know what you all think.

My ultimate goals are lean gains, minimal fat gain.

Animal Pak
Animal Omega
Universal Torrent
M-Stak
Thermo Green Tea x2
Beta Ala9 x2
Uni-Syn x2

Suggestions?

You mean in terms of adding or subtracting things?

LittleMan55
07-29-08, 10:47 am
At the moment the stack looks like this:

Pak
Flex
Omega
Pump
M-Stak (doing 2 cans, after reading NG's rational on it)
Nitro
Sport Pharma BA9
Torrent
EAA Stack
Universal Ultra Whey Pro
ZMA Pro

Starting Thurs. Natural Sterol will be added to this.

TheDarkHalf
07-29-08, 11:00 am
At the moment the stack looks like this:

Pak
Flex
Omega
Pump
M-Stak (doing 2 cans, after reading NG's rational on it)
Nitro
Sport Pharma BA9
Torrent
EAA Stack
Universal Ultra Whey Pro
ZMA Pro

Starting Thurs. Natural Sterol will be added to this.

Looks solid!

Mr. Aestheticz
07-29-08, 11:14 am
At the moment the stack looks like this:

Pak
Flex
Omega
Pump
M-Stak (doing 2 cans, after reading NG's rational on it)
Nitro
Sport Pharma BA9
Torrent
EAA Stack
Universal Ultra Whey Pro
ZMA Pro

Starting Thurs. Natural Sterol will be added to this.

WHAT FLAVOR WHEY DO YOU USE AND HOW DOES IT TASTE?

I AM GOING TO START USING UNIVERSAL'S WHEY DURING MY OFF-SEASON FOR THE FIRST TIME AND WANTED TO GET CHOCOLATE ICE CREAM?

Gunz1
07-29-08, 1:04 pm
Animal Pak first thing in the morning
Animal Test 90 mins preworkout
Animal Stak 45 mins preworkout
Animal Mstak 30 mins preworkout
Shock therapy 15 mins preworkout
BCAA stak durring the workout
Immediatly after 2 paks nitro and torrent
before bed i have a shake and Omega

ENJOY... TIME TO GROWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!

ROC1291
07-29-08, 1:25 pm
You mean in terms of adding or subtracting things?

Whatever you think needs to be in there...
I have about $200 a month to spend.

ROC1291
07-29-08, 1:25 pm
WHAT FLAVOR WHEY DO YOU USE AND HOW DOES IT TASTE?

I AM GOING TO START USING UNIVERSAL'S WHEY DURING MY OFF-SEASON FOR THE FIRST TIME AND WANTED TO GET CHOCOLATE ICE CREAM?

Get the strawberry if it's available.
The chocolate was kind of disgusting to me.

bighoss34
07-29-08, 1:30 pm
Universal Daily Vitamin: w/ breakfast and 1/2 w/ dinner
Animal Flex: with my 10 AM meal
Uniliver Liver tabs: 3 with each meal
Bulk Whey: Ultra Whey Pro e.g. 1 scoop as a meal and 1 pwo
Milk & Egg protein: 1/2 scoop w/ meal shake
mstak: 30 pre wo-alternate cycles w/ Stak or N1-T

some bulk powders mixed in pwo

LittleMan55
07-29-08, 1:36 pm
Looks solid!

Thanks! its working so far, but will be drastically different come fall!


WHAT FLAVOR WHEY DO YOU USE AND HOW DOES IT TASTE?

I AM GOING TO START USING UNIVERSAL'S WHEY DURING MY OFF-SEASON FOR THE FIRST TIME AND WANTED TO GET CHOCOLATE ICE CREAM?

I use Chocolate, but have heard great things about all the other flavors. It mixes very well and goes down smooth. so I would assume the others do too. Just remember that if you arent satisfied you can send the flavor you got back to Universal...

Mr. Aestheticz
07-29-08, 1:37 pm
Get the strawberry if it's available.
The chocolate was kind of disgusting to me.

SCHWEET, during the off season, a strawberry whey shake with a strawberry pop tart, YYYEEESSS!!!

NickSP
07-29-08, 1:48 pm
Right now...

Pak/Flex/Omega with my first meal
off-brand creatine mono pre-workout
EAA Nitro post-workout
Milk&Egg protein

I still have some EAA Stack and Nitro left so I'm just using them pre-workout and before bed, respectively, until I run out and then what you see above will be my only supps.

11B
07-29-08, 3:40 pm
- pak with breakfast
- stak 45-60 mins. pre-workout
- pump/nitro 30 mins. pre-workout
- nitro immediately post-workout
- m-stak 4-6 hours after stak (minus the red pill)

I'll also be picking up some torrent soon.

Elite
07-29-08, 3:41 pm
Im on my best ever stack right now...

PAK (with Lunch)
TEST (1hr Pre w/o)
PUMP (Pre w/o)
NITRO (Pre + post w/o)
FLEX (with last meal before bed)

also using UNI-LIVER through the day, STORM post w/o and ZMA Pro before bed. Seriously good gains week after week.

Hoomgar
07-29-08, 4:21 pm
Starting Thurs. Natural Sterol will be added to this.

Hope you do as well on it as I did bro. I have about 2 days left of my 4 bottle run of that supp. Time to get thick man. I grew for sure using that supp. very affactive low cost supp.

Hg

barbender18
07-30-08, 1:26 pm
This stack is created for those guys who beat themselves up everytime they step foot in a gym. For the guys who push their bodies to the limit. This stack is for the guys who after their lef workout, can't stand.
Animal Pak, Animal Flex, Animal NItro, ANimal Test, Shock Therapy, Storm, Torrent.

Animal Pak - 1 pak with breakfast, 1 pak with dinner.
Animal Flex - 1 pak before bed.
Animal Nitro - 2 paks immediately postworkout.
Animal Test - 1 pak with your last meal before training.
Shock Therapy - 1 serving 30 minutes preworkout.
Storm - 1-2 sevings intraworkout.
Torrent - 1 serving 30 minutes after Animal Nitro.

This stack will not only help you push your body to its limmits, but allow you to do so day after day. Each product was chosen for its exceptional benefits. Animal Pak twice a day for with a hard you push yourself your body will need all those extra nutrients its burning. animal flex to keep your joints and ligaments up to par with your intense training. animal nitro twice because after pushing your self that hard you need a lot of amino acids to build you back up. animal test to give you that animal edge while training. shock therapy to give you the ulimate focus and extreme pumps while training. storm intraworkout to supply your body with the energy and other benefits from creatine. and than to finish off with torrent to replenish your glycogen levels and supply you muscles with some protein.

TheDarkHalf
07-30-08, 2:42 pm
This stack is created for those guys who beat themselves up everytime they step foot in a gym. For the guys who push their bodies to the limit. This stack is for the guys who after their lef workout, can't stand.
Animal Pak, Animal Flex, Animal NItro, ANimal Test, Shock Therapy, Storm, Torrent.

Animal Pak - 1 pak with breakfast, 1 pak with dinner.
Animal Flex - 1 pak before bed.
Animal Nitro - 2 paks immediately postworkout.
Animal Test - 1 pak with your last meal before training.
Shock Therapy - 1 serving 30 minutes preworkout.
Storm - 1-2 sevings intraworkout.
Torrent - 1 serving 30 minutes after Animal Nitro.

This stack will not only help you push your body to its limmits, but allow you to do so day after day. Each product was chosen for its exceptional benefits. Animal Pak twice a day for with a hard you push yourself your body will need all those extra nutrients its burning. animal flex to keep your joints and ligaments up to par with your intense training. animal nitro twice because after pushing your self that hard you need a lot of amino acids to build you back up. animal test to give you that animal edge while training. shock therapy to give you the ulimate focus and extreme pumps while training. storm intraworkout to supply your body with the energy and other benefits from creatine. and than to finish off with torrent to replenish your glycogen levels and supply you muscles with some protein.

Looks good, although I think one animal pak would be best. If you're diet is in check (which it should be), then one pack is all ya need. And where is your omega?

londontom
08-05-08, 11:51 am
Right guys, have had a couple of chats but URep suggested I post this here as well - so give it a think.

"am currently cutting down, really trying to get sub 10% - but is a hard slog. I am currently using Pak, Cuts, Mstack and a some of (boo hiss) non-Animal BCAAs.
I really went through the pain and loved every minute of it to get a lot of mass on, most of which clean; now I really want that mass to show. At the moment I'm sitting at about 12% bf - and am running on a calorie deficit - all clean proteins, very low carbs - have been running this for two weeks so far. Am happy with the way things seem to be going, but I was hoping you could advise if MStak, or the original Stak would be the better of the two to help me maintain that mass."

LittleMan55
08-05-08, 11:55 am
Hope you do as well on it as I did bro. I have about 2 days left of my 4 bottle run of that supp. Time to get thick man. I grew for sure using that supp. very affactive low cost supp.

Hg

I used it while on Keto... and stayed thick and full looking. Well as thick and full as one can look when carb depleted! Its just now starting to kick in I think...

Universal Rep
08-05-08, 11:58 am
Right guys, have had a couple of chats but URep suggested I post this here as well - so give it a think.

"am currently cutting down, really trying to get sub 10% - but is a hard slog. I am currently using Pak, Cuts, Mstack and a some of (boo hiss) non-Animal BCAAs.
I really went through the pain and loved every minute of it to get a lot of mass on, most of which clean; now I really want that mass to show. At the moment I'm sitting at about 12% bf - and am running on a calorie deficit - all clean proteins, very low carbs - have been running this for two weeks so far. Am happy with the way things seem to be going, but I was hoping you could advise if MStak, or the original Stak would be the better of the two to help me maintain that mass."

I'd keep the original M-Stak. Also, I'd consider replacing the BCAAs with the EAAs--your brand of choice, of course. EAAs have been shown in studies to help preserve lean mass among lifters.

Onslaught619
10-10-08, 5:53 pm
I started my stak with cuts and pak,please tell me if this stak is good for shedding fat while preserving lean muscle.

Morning - Cuts
preworkout 30 min- Pump
preworkout 15 min- Nitro
intra - Nitro
postworkout - Torrent
30 min postworkout PWO shake
First meal - pak/omega

TheDarkHalf
10-10-08, 8:30 pm
I started my stak with cuts and pak,please tell me if this stak is good for shedding fat while preserving lean muscle.

Morning - Cuts
preworkout 30 min- Pump
preworkout 15 min- Nitro
intra - Nitro
postworkout - Torrent
30 min postworkout PWO shake
First meal - pak/omega

I would say switch the Torrent out for Lava. Lava has less carbs and more protein than torrent, and less overall cals. Also, I would move omega to before bed time and when I mean bed time I mean right as you jump into bed take your omega (I usually take mine with a casein shake, the EFA/Fats in omega slow the digestion of the casein even further).

Aussie Trainer
11-01-08, 10:42 pm
I've just ordered my first lot of animal products.
Pak, Nitro, Pump.
Pak - with breakfast
Nitro - Pre & Post Workout
Pump - Pre workout (bout 15 mins after I take the first lot of nitro)

Also have some Whey protein for after my workouts.

Cant wait to start taking them and building!!

CreatineSteve
11-02-08, 12:00 am
Animal Pak wit breakfast
Animal Omega wit shake
Animal Stak Pre-wo
Animal Pump Pre-wo
Animal Flex b4 bed

Uni-Liver 3 x 6 meals

Iceiktitan
11-12-08, 6:19 pm
1. Animal Test 2 Cycles (Taken as reccomended on label.)
2. 4,500-5,000 Calories Whole Food (500-1000 Calories Above Matinenance)

Dingo
11-12-08, 6:33 pm
breakfast : 2 scoops ultra whey pro, 1 scoop real gains
during workouts - 1 scoop eaa nitro/1 teaspoon glutamine ocr, 3 liters water
post workout - 1 pak animal nitro washed down with whats left of above during workout mix
dinner - animal pak, i find taking it late in the day/evening before bed i wake with more
energy than when i take it early am.
throughout the day i pop 4 uniliver tabs with meals, only up to 3 meals a day, 12 tabs total.

i try to keep my supplements supplemental and not basal.
maybe after the first of the year ill add something like mstak, not sure though. I'll probably pick up another tub of storm instead.

so far 3 weeks no creatine and strength is still increasing.

BAS
11-13-08, 3:51 pm
Current Stack - Train at 4:00 a.m.
First Thing in the morning - energy bar and Animal Test
Preworkout - Shock Therapy
During workout - Intra aid
Post workout - Torrent
Breakfast - Animal Pak and Flex.

Getting ready to finish up with this stack and was thinking of the following:

Preworkout - Shock Therapy, M-Stak, GH Max, and would N-1T be ok
During - Intra aid
Post workout Torrent
Breakfast Animal and Flex
Storm 2x during day
Before Bed - ZMA, GH Max and N-1T again

Was thinking of doing this for 3 weeks and then hitting the Animal Test again. I received great results from that stack.

grBashman
11-14-08, 8:48 pm
i was just wondering if could take pack, nitro, flex, omega and pump all year round as my foundation and cycle other products like the stack or test

and pump is creatine right? and it says u can take it year round but arent u suppose to take creatine 2-3 months and then take a month off , like a cycle

Hoomgar
11-14-08, 9:07 pm
i was just wondering if could take pack, nitro, flex, omega and pump all year round as my foundation and cycle other products like the stack or test

and pump is creatine right? and it says u can take it year round but arent u suppose to take creatine 2-3 months and then take a month off , like a cycle

That is correct. You can do it just like that. You do not have to cycle Creatine products but their effectiveness may be helped by doing so for some individuals so if you want to do that then yes cycle the Pump every now and then. Other than that one little twist you are spot on man.

NickSP
11-14-08, 9:08 pm
pak
omega
nitro
jointment sport
ultra iso whey
eaa nitro

grBashman
11-14-08, 9:38 pm
thanks hoomgar

wats the most number of supplements u can take

SQUAT or DIE!
11-15-08, 2:17 am
thanks hoomgar

wats the most number of supplements u can take

there isnt a max number you can take... theres a limit on how much you can afford.. theres people who take probably 10 supps daily, they have proper diet and training to maximize the effects..

Feel The Power
11-15-08, 1:36 pm
What I am on currently. All Universal except generic fish oil tabs.

Training Day:
PAK, Fish tabs (with 3 meals), EAA and BCAA stack in bottle.

Preworkout:Pump
Intra: Intra-aid mixed with grape storm
Postworkout: Iso Whey Choc Shake

Rest of day: second dose of EAA and BCAA in water bottle.