steak and egg keto diet?

[mikedawg101]

strictly limited to steak and eggs while doing keto..anyone try it? im wanting to get rid of this bullshit bodyfat..thinking of getting into the ketosis state..

[jer]

Are you saying that's all you're gonna eat?

That's gonna get old real fast.

[krazyassmexican]

could you break down your diet?

[k1usa]

what you trying to prove bro......goals.....background....more needed.....

[stumblin54]

Not too sure I'd recommend this to enter the ketosis state, what's your cardiovascular situation currently?

Stumblin

[mikedawg101]

ok, well im going to cancun in 4 months, im around 25% body fat, but it seems to all be in the midsection haha, i really want to cut down there, i have been for some time now, and im more dedicated more then ever. i was reading up on the keto diet, which seems very interesting and its pretty badass how it works. who would of thought..stuff your face with fats and protein..but no carbs lol. i hit the gym hard, everyday except tues. and fridays, there my off days.


but yah..my deit looks like this:

morning: 6:00am
protein shake with banna

snack: 9:45am
protein bar, along with a whole grain bar, and an apple

meal1:1:15
chiken breast, with veggies

snack 2: 4:00
one tuna sandwhich

meal2: 6:00
Chiken breast with veggies

snack 3:9:30(after gym)
protein shake, along with a banana

bed@ 10..10:30

(i substitute the chicken with steak aswell)

[krazyassmexican]

ok, well im going to cancun in 4 months, im around 25% body fat, but it seems to all be in the midsection haha, i really want to cut down there, i have been for some time now, and im more dedicated more then ever. i was reading up on the keto diet, which seems very interesting and its pretty badass how it works. who would of thought..stuff your face with fats and protein..but no carbs lol. i hit the gym hard, everyday except tues. and fridays, there my off days.


but yah..my deit looks like this:

morning: 6:00am
protein shake with banna

snack: 9:45am
protein bar, along with a whole grain bar, and an apple

meal1:1:15
chiken breast, with veggies

snack 2: 4:00
one tuna sandwhich

meal2: 6:00
Chiken breast with veggies

snack 3:9:30(after gym)
protein shake, along with a banana

bed@ 10..10:30

(i substitute the chicken with steak aswell)

this is not a ketogenic diet by any means

[bobbymart]

ok, well im going to cancun in 4 months, im around 25% body fat, but it seems to all be in the midsection haha, i really want to cut down there, i have been for some time now, and im more dedicated more then ever. i was reading up on the keto diet, which seems very interesting and its pretty badass how it works. who would of thought..stuff your face with fats and protein..but no carbs lol. i hit the gym hard, everyday except tues. and fridays, there my off days.


but yah..my deit looks like this:

morning: 6:00am
protein shake with banna

snack: 9:45am
protein bar, along with a whole grain bar, and an apple

meal1:1:15
chiken breast, with veggies

snack 2: 4:00
one tuna sandwhich

meal2: 6:00
Chiken breast with veggies

snack 3:9:30(after gym)
protein shake, along with a banana

bed@ 10..10:30

(i substitute the chicken with steak aswell)

this diet will not put you into ketosis

[bobbymart]

bananna's have sugar and carbs, apples have sugar and carbs, protien bar's have carbs and also probably sugar, and a multi grain bar is pretty much just carbs, unless you are only eating green veggies carrots, and peppers, any other colored veggies have carbs, and tuna sandwich have bread = carbs come on now do you know what a keto diet is???

[gjn5002]

even if you get this 'keto diet' cleaned up, wouldnt it cost like 50$ a day to eat nothin but steak and eggs?

[spyderman4g63]

I think that may be his current diet and he is planning a keto diet... I hope.

[bobbymart]

I think that may be his current diet and he is planning a keto diet... I hope.

got it... hopefully you are right.

[5150]

I think that may be his current diet and he is planning a keto diet... I hope.


Exactly. He was just stating what his current diet is and asking for our opinions on the steak and Egg keto....

IMO, I'd just switch up the meats perhaps. Eggs are great anytime but, throwing some fish and poultry in the mix will help keep you not dreading your next meal lol.

Phil

[mikedawg101]

I think that may be his current diet and he is planning a keto diet... I hope.

haha yah, its my current diet, kind of funny to see a lot of turned heads saying that my diet is no were near keto..hah..but yah, i still got a lot to learn before i do a keto, i just got the general idea of it, and read along about how east a egg and steak keto diet can be, but even though i love steak, i could get tired of it. thanks for the reply bros

[stumblin54]

No problem man. I'd suggest just upping your cardio and eating cleaner, still eating a lot, just cleaner mind you. With that you should be good to go. Be consistent in diet and cardio.

Stumblin

[krazyassmexican]

ketosis is not all about steak and eggs, you can eat lean meats like chicken or tilapia or fatty meats like salmon and just get your fat intake from healthy oils

[jer]

I'm sure there are some guys with some good keto ideas, but here's mine:

1.5 Grams of Protein per BW
.5 Grams of Fat per BW
NO additional carbs (meaning, there are carbs in nuts and peanut butter and green veggies, just do not add carbs)

Protein:
Lean cuts of beef, chicken, fish, eggs/egg whites

Healthy Fats:
Raw nuts (almonds, cashews, walnuts, etc...)
Fish oil, Extra Virgin Olive Oil, Macadamia Nut Oil, omega 3 eggs, Natural Peanut butter......

Only green veggies, like lettuce, green beans, broccoli, spinach......


Dived that all up into 6 meals a day and see where it takes you.

[krazyassmexican]

I'm sure there are some guys with some good keto ideas, but here's mine:

1.5 Grams of Protein per BW
.5 Grams of Fat per BW
NO additional carbs (meaning, there are carbs in nuts and peanut butter and green veggies, just do not add carbs)

Protein:
Lean cuts of beef, chicken, fish, eggs/egg whites

Healthy Fats:
Raw nuts (almonds, cashews, walnuts, etc...)
Fish oil, Extra Virgin Olive Oil, Macadamia Nut Oil, omega 3 eggs, Natural Peanut butter......

Only green veggies, like lettuce, green beans, broccoli, spinach......


Dived that all up into 6 meals a day and see where it takes you.

evan once told me that broccoli can knock you out of ketosis
and to limit the intake of broccoli to 1/2 cup a day
also the lettuce will make you hungry as hell

[spyderman4g63]

I'm sure there are some guys with some good keto ideas, but here's mine:

1.5 Grams of Protein per BW
.5 Grams of Fat per BW
NO additional carbs (meaning, there are carbs in nuts and peanut butter and green veggies, just do not add carbs)

Protein:
Lean cuts of beef, chicken, fish, eggs/egg whites

Healthy Fats:
Raw nuts (almonds, cashews, walnuts, etc...)
Fish oil, Extra Virgin Olive Oil, Macadamia Nut Oil, omega 3 eggs, Natural Peanut butter......

Only green veggies, like lettuce, green beans, broccoli, spinach......


Dived that all up into 6 meals a day and see where it takes you.

This is pretty much what I did but I stayed away from broccoli.

[tanktwism]

Keto will suck for a few days, but you will not believe the results if you stay strong and don't waver. There are alot of options and alot of ways to prepare them.

Eggs all day, scrambled, harboiled, mixed with turkey, etc.

Steak. 'Nuff said.

Ground beef (cheap, easy and tastes damn good with a little salsa)

Sashimi (sushi with no rice)

Turkey, fish, chicken...the list goes on.

Don't cheat, hit your cardio first thing in the morning on an empty stomach or after you lift (both if you wanna get lean fast), drink alot of water, and you will get there.

Enjoy the journey...

[krazyassmexican]

Keto will suck for a few days, but you will not believe the results if you stay strong and don't waver. There are alot of options and alot of ways to prepare them.

Eggs all day, scrambled, harboiled, mixed with turkey, etc.

Steak. 'Nuff said.

Ground beef (cheap, easy and tastes damn good with a little salsa)

Sashimi (sushi with no rice)

Turkey, fish, chicken...the list goes on.

Don't cheat, hit your cardio first thing in the morning on an empty stomach or after you lift (both if you wanna get lean fast), drink alot of water, and you will get there.

Enjoy the journey...

no veggies or macros?
also the cheat meal is very important

[gsb239]

no veggies or macros?
also the cheat meal is very important

You're gonna need a shitload of veggies on keto as you're not gonna be getting any fibre from foods like fruits or grains.

Not to scare you, but the best way to get colon cancer is to eat a bunch of animal foods with no fibre.

Personally, I'd be eating atleast 1 cup of veggies per meal, drinking atleast one gallon of water per day and possibly taking a fibre supplement like metamucil to go along with the veggies.

[krazyassmexican]

You're gonna need a shitload of veggies on keto as you're not gonna be getting any fibre from foods like fruits or grains.

Not to scare you, but the best way to get colon cancer is to eat a bunch of animal foods with no fibre.

Personally, I'd be eating atleast 1 cup of veggies per meal, drinking atleast one gallon of water per day and possibly taking a fibre supplement like metamucil to go along with the veggies.

what?????
my first 3 weeks on ketosis i couldnt shit for a week
that is why i asked this guy if he didnt eat veggies
i was like
how do you shit?
hahahha

[jer]

evan once told me that broccoli can knock you out of ketosis
and to limit the intake of broccoli to 1/2 cup a day
also the lettuce will make you hungry as hell

This is pretty much what I did but I stayed away from broccoli.

Good points. I didn't mean it was a green light to eat as much as you wanted. If you go over board on even green veggies, you will be knocked out of ketosis.


Also, a cheat MEAL once a week is a must, wait 2 weeks before the first cheat meal. Keeps thyroid functioning properly, helps with cravings and staying on task.

A good fiber supplement is a really good idea while on this diet as well.

[tanktwism]

no veggies or macros?
also the cheat meal is very important

I was jsut referring to good protein sources, the brunt of meals. He seemed a bit lost on this point.

DEFINITELY get those greens and good fat sources in you.


And I think with a really high bf% he should hold off on the cheating...at least for the mean time. Once he starts dropping hard then a cheat (ONE MEAL) will do well to stimulate the metabolism.

[gsb239]

what?????
my first 3 weeks on ketosis i couldnt shit for a week
that is why i asked this guy if he didnt eat veggies
i was like
how do you shit?
hahahha

hahah yea... i was just backing up what you said

[krazyassmexican]

Good points. I didn't mean it was a green light to eat as much as you wanted. If you go over board on even green veggies, you will be knocked out of ketosis.


Also, a cheat MEAL once a week is a must, wait 2 weeks before the first cheat meal. Keeps thyroid functioning properly, helps with cravings and staying on task.

A good fiber supplement is a really good idea while on this diet as well.


sugar free metamucil saves you trust me

[JimmyZ]

sugar free metamucil saves you trust me

Listen to this man, period.

[Joseb]

[QUOTE=mikedawg101;342251]ok, well im going to cancun in 4 months, im around 25% body fat, but it seems to all be in the midsection haha, i really want to cut down there, i have been for some time now, and im more dedicated more then ever. i was reading up on the keto diet, which seems very interesting and its pretty badass how it works. who would of thought..stuff your face with fats and protein..but no carbs lol. i hit the gym hard, everyday except tues. and fridays, there my off days.

QUOTE]


you arent 'stuffing your face' with fats and protein. you're still gonna have to eat less while on keto.
just cause you eat only fat and protein doesnt mean you can eat as much steak and eggs as you want and still get cut.
if this is your first time cutting.. dont do keto.

[naturalguy]

you arent 'stuffing your face' with fats and protein. you're still gonna have to eat less while on keto.
just cause you eat only fat and protein doesnt mean you can eat as much steak and eggs as you want and still get cut.
if this is your first time cutting.. dont do keto.

Good point. Keto is not magic, you still need to be in a caloric deficit.

[Pizzalamp]

Good point. Keto is not magic, you still need to be in a caloric deficit.

quoted for truth

[simpleguy]

you arent 'stuffing your face' with fats and protein. you're still gonna have to eat less while on keto.
just cause you eat only fat and protein doesnt mean you can eat as much steak and eggs as you want and still get cut.


true that... too much protein can turn into glucose since you don't eat any carbs... too much dietary fat and you'll only burn it, while your bf will stay where it is

[JimmyZ]

[QUOTE=mikedawg101;342251]ok, well im going to cancun in 4 months, im around 25% body fat, but it seems to all be in the midsection haha, i really want to cut down there, i have been for some time now, and im more dedicated more then ever. i was reading up on the keto diet, which seems very interesting and its pretty badass how it works. who would of thought..stuff your face with fats and protein..but no carbs lol. i hit the gym hard, everyday except tues. and fridays, there my off days.

QUOTE]


you arent 'stuffing your face' with fats and protein. you're still gonna have to eat less while on keto.
just cause you eat only fat and protein doesnt mean you can eat as much steak and eggs as you want and still get cut.
if this is your first time cutting.. dont do keto.


I wouldn't go that far as saying if this is your first time, don't do keto. I agree it takes a large amount of patience and help with getting the macro's right but if you're persistant and you read up on it thoroughly, anyone can do it.

This is my first time cutting ever and I'm on keto and doing just fine so far.

All the other statements about being right on with your macro's is 100% true though, you just can't eat a shit load of pro and fats, it won't work like that.

[npeezy]

going keto is harder than regular dieting for a cut...you do have to weigh and measure things out...if you eat 6lbs of steak and 2 dozen eggs a day you wont cut it...

my friend who i lift with thinks he knows everything...and im not saying im the smartest, but i do go to school for nutrition and i like to read and learn and so my friend decided to go keto...i explained things to him and let him know everything he needed to know...so he dropped all the carbs and was like YA IM ON A KETO DIET! come to find out he was using HALF a jar of NOT NATURAL pb PER protein shake...it wasnt zero carb and using a weight gainer protein drink before bed and during the middle of the night...guess what? he got fatter and was pissed after 2 months haha

[simpleguy]

going keto is harder than regular dieting for a cut...you do have to weigh and measure things out...if you eat 6lbs of steak and 2 dozen eggs a day you wont cut it...


keto is not harder... you have to weigh and measure food anyway, not only on keto... no matter what diet you are on, if you get too many cals, you won't lose fat

[Yolo]

sup people..got a couple of questions i wanna throw at you, sorry for hijacking this thread..ok, without further ado, here goes:
- are carbs from almonds and such really a big concearn? i kinda munch on these throughout the day cuz i can't seem to stay full on keto(i'm definetly in ketosis, breath smells like shit lol)
- is diet soda(aspartame sweetened, it;s the only one available where i live) ok on keto or does it spike your insulin...?
- the whole cardio first thing in the morning stuff, is it that essential while on keto? i mean, it's not like you've got a whole lot of glicogen to work with...
for the record, i'm looking to ditch bf(lol, go figure) and do 30-45 mins of cardio every day..don't ask me about macros or anything like that cuz i can't provide that info..i'm kinda phobic when it comes to weighing food...that said, weight is definetly dropping so i'm thinking the caloric deficit is achieved. thanks for your help

[krazyassmexican]

sup people..got a couple of questions i wanna throw at you, sorry for hijacking this thread..ok, without further ado, here goes:
- are carbs from almonds and such really a big concearn? i kinda munch on these throughout the day cuz i can't seem to stay full on keto(i'm definetly in ketosis, breath smells like shit lol)
- is diet soda(aspartame sweetened, it;s the only one available where i live) ok on keto or does it spike your insulin...?
- the whole cardio first thing in the morning stuff, is it that essential while on keto? i mean, it's not like you've got a whole lot of glicogen to work with...
for the record, i'm looking to ditch bf(lol, go figure) and do 30-45 mins of cardio every day..don't ask me about macros or anything like that cuz i can't provide that info..i'm kinda phobic when it comes to weighing food...that said, weight is definetly dropping so i'm thinking the caloric deficit is achieved. thanks for your help

definately you are eating way too many carbs in your keto diet and that is why you are hungry, there's no snackin on this diet even if it is an almond

diet soda aspartame, crystal lite they are all cool

do your cardio anytime you can

[krazyassmexican]

keto is not harder... you have to weigh and measure food anyway, not only on keto... no matter what diet you are on, if you get too many cals, you won't lose fat

exactly i measure everything with the scale
i dont even trust my protein powder scoop

dont get me started with the table spoon
i measure everything
and no, i dont get tired or anything like that

[ChandlerXJ]

exactly i measure everything with the scale
i dont even trust my protein powder scoop

dont get me started with the table spoon
i measure everything
and no, i dont get tired or anything like that

what scale did you get bro?

[krazyassmexican]

what scale did you get bro?

some scale at bb.com i got it over a year ago
measuring is crazy bro

i measured a table spoon of evoo of course with a table spoon
and the i did the same with an oral srynge(sp) and it is way more on the srynge
it is supposed to equal to 3 teaspoons
so from there i started to meassure everything like a freak

[ChandlerXJ]

can you measure everything in grams? I found a pretty good scale that does grams, I think its more accurate...

now I use a scale thats in ounces, kinda inaccurate but I can't really fix that right now lol

[krazyassmexican]

can you measure everything in grams? I found a pretty good scale that does grams, I think its more accurate...

now I use a scale thats in ounces, kinda inaccurate but I can't really fix that right now lol

grams and oz, both!

[Yolo]

definately you are eating way too many carbs in your keto diet and that is why you are hungry, there's no snackin on this diet even if it is an almond

diet soda aspartame, crystal lite they are all cool

do your cardio anytime you can

it's not that i'm hungry per se, it's more to do with the "full stomach sensation"(if that makes any sense lol) which i don't get without carbs and i'm guessing it's from the lack of fiber in meals. anyhow, thanks for your time brother

[krazyassmexican]

it's not that i'm hungry per se, it's more to do with the "full stomach sensation"(if that makes any sense lol) which i don't get without carbs and i'm guessing it's from the lack of fiber in meals. anyhow, thanks for your time brother

i have the full stomach all the time
i would like to see how many servings of veggies, nuts and pb you have a day

[Yolo]

i have the full stomach all the time
i would like to see how many servings of veggies, nuts and pb you have a day
well, 0 pb- no such thing where i'm at, not that many veggies, one serving per day, and i guess 3 servings of nuts
also another one hit me: tomatoes? good or bad(i've been lead to believe the former) what about onions...?

[krazyassmexican]

well, 0 pb- no such thing where i'm at, not that many veggies, one serving per day, and i guess 3 servings of nuts
also another one hit me: tomatoes? good or bad(i've been lead to believe the former) what about onions...?

there we go NO TOMATOES

3 servings of nuts what other fat sources do u use?

one serving of veggies means 1 cup 2 cups or what's up?

[Yolo]

there we go NO TOMATOES

3 servings of nuts what other fat sources do u use?

one serving of veggies means 1 cup 2 cups or what's up?

didn't have any tomatoes..didn't know if they were cool or not so i didn't risk it
as for fat well i eat whole eggs, cheese and have been reaquainted with pork. also, i take a fish oil sup
not sure how much a cup means, but i take in somewhere between 30-50 grams of veggies. sometimes i skip them altogether though

[krazyassmexican]

didn't have any tomatoes..didn't know if they were cool or not so i didn't risk it
as for fat well i eat whole eggs, cheese and have been reaquainted with pork. also, i take a fish oil sup
not sure how much a cup means, but i take in somewhere between 30-50 grams of veggies. sometimes i skip them altogether though

cheese has carbs doesnt it?

[Yolo]

cheese has carbs doesnt it?

not that i'm aware of..plus, if we take the holier than thou approach, so do nuts and pb..that doesn't mean u can't have them...i'm not trying to be a smartass...

[krazyassmexican]

not that i'm aware of..plus, if we take the holier than thou approach, so do nuts and pb..that doesn't mean u can't have them...i'm not trying to be a smartass...

the difference between the carbs from nuts and the carbs from cheese is that those carbs from nuts are really nothing and your body will use them to fuel your workouts

the carbs of cheese are comming from lactose (milk SUGAR) and it will spike your insuline and keep your body running on glycogen instead of ketones

[Yolo]

the difference between the carbs from nuts and the carbs from cheese is that those carbs from nuts are really nothing and your body will use them to fuel your workouts

the carbs of cheese are comming from lactose (milk SUGAR) and it will spike your insuline and keep your body running on glycogen instead of ketones

i'm really skeptical that 10 grams of carbs from cheese is the source of my problems but i guess it could be a possibility..thanks for your input though. peace

[krazyassmexican]

i'm really skeptical that 10 grams of carbs from cheese is the source of my problems but i guess it could be a possibility..thanks for your input though. peace

do what works for you, dont mind my advice
you know your body and what works for it

but think about it
is 10grams of carbs from cheese + all the carbs from nuts and veggies
that is an everyday carb up

[adidamps2]

http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts/legumes-and-legume-products/4453/2
28g Peanut butter

14g fat
3g sat
6g carb
2g fiber
3g sugar
7g pro


http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts/dairy-and-egg-products/26/2
28g mozzarella cheese stick

7g fat
4g sat
1 carb
0 sugar
6 pro

[krazyassmexican]

http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts/legumes-and-legume-products/4453/2
28g Peanut butter

14g fat
3g sat
6g carb
2g fiber
3g sugar
7g pro


http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts/dairy-and-egg-products/26/2
28g mozzarella cheese stick

7g fat
4g sat
1 carb
0 sugar
6 pro

peanut butter doesnt have that ammount of sugar bro

[adidamps2]

http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/cgi-bin/list_nut_edit.pl

Protein g 7.03 633
Total lipid (fat) g 14.11 613
Ash g 0.88 372
Carbohydrate, by difference g 5.48 0
Fiber, total dietary g 1.7 12
Sugars, total g 2.58 0
Sucrose g 2.43 6
Glucose (dextrose) g 0.15 6
Fructose g 0.00 5
Lactose g 0.00 5
Maltose g 0.00 5
Galactose g 0.00 4
Starch g 1.34 4

[krazyassmexican]

http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/cgi-bin/list_nut_edit.pl

Protein g 7.03 633
Total lipid (fat) g 14.11 613
Ash g 0.88 372
Carbohydrate, by difference g 5.48 0
Fiber, total dietary g 1.7 12
Sugars, total g 2.58 0
Sucrose g 2.43 6
Glucose (dextrose) g 0.15 6
Fructose g 0.00 5
Lactose g 0.00 5
Maltose g 0.00 5
Galactose g 0.00 4
Starch g 1.34 4

i believe you are checkin the regular pb nutritional facts

[adidamps2]

http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/cgi-bin/list_nut_edit.pl

raw, Peanuts
Protein g 7.31
Total lipid (fat) g 13.96
Ash g 0.66
Carbohydrate, by difference g 4.57
Fiber, total dietary g 2.4
Sugars, total g 1.13
so even if we discount the 2.4g of fiber there is still more over all carbs in PB than in a single stick of cheese, and still more sugar, as cheese has zero sugar.

[krazyassmexican]

http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/cgi-bin/list_nut_edit.pl

raw, Peanuts
Protein g 7.31
Total lipid (fat) g 13.96
Ash g 0.66
Carbohydrate, by difference g 4.57
Fiber, total dietary g 2.4
Sugars, total g 1.13
so even if we discount the 2.4g of fiber there is still more over all carbs in PB than in a single stick of cheese, and still more sugar, as cheese has zero sugar.

the reasson why I DONT use cheese, is the quality of fats i think we discused that like 20 times already, how u been?

[adidamps2]

the reasson why I DONT use cheese, is the quality of fats i think we discused that like 20 times already, how u been?

but we're discussing "carbs" here not the fat content and how we feel about Sat fats.

and so far so good, getting settled into my new area (VA) and job.

[krazyassmexican]

but we're discussing "carbs" here not the fat content and how we feel about Sat fats.

and so far so good, getting settled into my new area (VA) and job.

right now i am dieting after pb and veggies i get like 30grams of carbs which are meant to fuel your workouts, more than that may kill your keto state imo....

i have been looking for you a good minute so you can explain me the way gironda trained chest

[adidamps2]

right now i am dieting after pb and veggies i get like 30grams of carbs which are meant to fuel your workouts, more than that may kill your keto state imo....

i have been looking for you a good minute so you can explain me the way gironda trained chest

I have been trying to explain to you for quite some time that you can eat more than 0 carbs on a keto diet and maintain ketosis.

as far as Gironda way of training chest goes, I am not an expert on his methods, I just utilize his "Intensity" princples. I do use the neck press, but I haven't done any of his chest dips. although I plan to start up.

[krazyassmexican]

I have been trying to explain to you for quite some time that you can eat more than 0 carbs on a keto diet and maintain ketosis.

as far as Gironda way of training chest goes, I am not an expert on his methods, I just utilize his "Intensity" princples. I do use the neck press, but I haven't done any of his chest dips. although I plan to start up.

neck press?

[adidamps2]

neck press?

same as the guilitine, just easier to spell...LOL

you can you tube most of Vinces odd Work outs, like his Perfect curl, Drag curls, Chest dips, Guilitine/neck press, frog sit-ups..and such.

[krazyassmexican]

same as the guilitine, just easier to spell...LOL

you can you tube most of Vinces odd Work outs, like his Perfect curl, Drag curls, Chest dips, Guilitine/neck press, frog sit-ups..and such.

did you have great results with it?

[adidamps2]

did you have great results with it?

took it too your profile page.

[Joseb]

i think the neck press is dumb :] just my humble opinion though.. dont take it too personally.

[Yolo]

markus ruhl benches in a very similar manner to the neck press and he's got a pretty good chest lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXCTByfxJ9o

[Joseb]

the guillotine press is for a flat bench usually.
on an incline bench your press SHOULD look something like a guillotine press due to your body positioning. the higher the incline is set, the closer the bar gets to your head.

Markus Ruhl doesnt press it all the way down. he stops halfway. Maybe he cant go any lower but ive seen other insanely big bodybuilders press it from an inch away from their chest.

again, its just my opinion. the guillotine press may be good for chest development, but think about your rotator cuffs when you press in such an awkward manner.

train smart.. just because it's supposed to work, doesnt mean you have to do it. :]

[adidamps2]

the guillotine press is for a flat bench usually.
on an incline bench your press SHOULD look something like a guillotine press due to your body positioning. the higher the incline is set, the closer the bar gets to your head.

Markus Ruhl doesnt press it all the way down. he stops halfway. Maybe he cant go any lower but ive seen other insanely big bodybuilders press it from an inch away from their chest.

again, its just my opinion. the guillotine press may be good for chest development, but think about your rotator cuffs when you press in such an awkward manner.

train smart.. just because it's supposed to work, doesnt mean you have to do it. :]


funny as the guillitine/neck press is designed to remove the stress off the rotator cuffs, and a lot of ppl who use it swear bye for that fact.

however this "Steak and Egg" thread is being completely derailed here, and any futher discussion should be reserved for PM or Profile chat or taken to the Training forum.

[simpleguy]

I have been trying to explain to you for quite some time that you can eat more than 0 carbs on a keto diet and maintain ketosis.


I'll have to agree on that... not that I recommend it (I don't do it either), but I can eat a piece of chocolate giving me 10-12g of carbs (mostly sugar) and I'm still in ketosis...

[ROC1291]

I'll have to agree on that... not that I recommend it (I don't do it either), but I can eat a piece of chocolate giving me 10-12g of carbs (mostly sugar) and I'm still in ketosis...

shit son... so im going to go buy a crap load of diet soda.
as long as its not sucralose right?

[krazyassmexican]

shit son... so im going to go buy a crap load of diet soda.
as long as its not sucralose right?

diet soda is more than ok while on keto, if it has sucralose or not it doesnt matter

[Joseb]

the difference between diet soda and the artificial sweeteners in the packets/bags are that the ones in packets/bags [splenda, sweetNlow, etc] have some maltrodextrin in them which gives them 1 gram of carbohydrates. the reason for the matrodextrin is so the texture[consistency] of the sweetener is heavier. without the maltrodextrin the sweeteners would be really powdery.

the diet soda doesnt need to feel like actual sugar so the artificial sweetener is put in without the maltrodextrin which means no carbs/calories

[ROC1291]

the difference between diet soda and the artificial sweeteners in the packets/bags are that the ones in packets/bags [splenda, sweetNlow, etc] have some maltrodextrin in them which gives them 1 gram of carbohydrates. the reason for the matrodextrin is so the texture[consistency] of the sweetener is heavier. without the maltrodextrin the sweeteners would be really powdery.

the diet soda doesnt need to feel like actual sugar so the artificial sweetener is put in without the maltrodextrin which means no carbs/calories

that's fuckin ballin.
i'm speechless. i just ran to ACME and purchased Four 12 packs of Diet soda and got two free diet 2 litres for free.

I'm in keto heaven :)
tomorrow will be my third day of keto and i will officially be "in".
i cannot wait!

[Gonz]

I haven't read the whole thread, but diet sodas on Keto aren't the best of things to have. Some people get kicked out of Ketosis for artificial sweeteners, so you'll just have to see if it does the same to you. I'm thinking of doing a "round" of Keto again, just to get my diet in check once again.

[krazyassmexican]

I haven't read the whole thread, but diet sodas on Keto aren't the best of things to have. Some people get kicked out of Ketosis for artificial sweeteners, so you'll just have to see if it does the same to you. I'm thinking of doing a "round" of Keto again, just to get my diet in check once again.

one of the best bodybuilders in the modern era, with some sick motherfuckin vascularity, wheels and overall physique, used to drink 4liters of diet soda a day while on contest preparation, of course that person used keto and still does with his athletes

[ROC1291]

I haven't read the whole thread, but diet sodas on Keto aren't the best of things to have. Some people get kicked out of Ketosis for artificial sweeteners, so you'll just have to see if it does the same to you. I'm thinking of doing a "round" of Keto again, just to get my diet in check once again.

krazy, i think he is considering the side effects of the caffeine in diet soda and its ability to kick you out of ketosis due to the fact that it induces insulin spikes.

i made sure i went 50/50 on the soda and purchased a good amount of caffeine free stuff and im going to limit it to 2-3 cans a day.

[krazyassmexican]

krazy, i think he is considering the side effects of the caffeine in diet soda and its ability to kick you out of ketosis due to the fact that it induces insulin spikes.

i made sure i went 50/50 on the soda and purchased a good amount of caffeine free stuff and im going to limit it to 2-3 cans a day.

if anything, caffeine would raise your cortisol levels

[simpleguy]

diet soda is fine imo... makes a day of dieting less boring, and controls some cravings on the pro/veg days

[ROC1291]

if anything, caffeine would raise your cortisol levels

doesn't cortisol increase belly fat?

[simpleguy]

doesn't cortisol increase belly fat?

not belly fat, fat in general... and eats muscle

thing is, if you don't have any other caffeine sources, you should be fine... a can of pepsi light for instance has 36ml of caffeine... say you have 2 liters of it a day, you're getting around 200ml or so

maybe combined with a pack of pump daily that's 400, which is probably enough...

it depends on everyone though, some people get 1 gr of caffeine a day and they're fine

[krazyassmexican]

doesn't cortisol increase belly fat?

yes

[ROC1291]

yes

krazy, i just found a list of recommended supps for keto from myth on the md forums.
some of the stuff, like creatine and cinnulin are in storm already. i have most of the stuff thats found in my other supps like Animal Omega, Pak, Nitro, and Pump. I will also be going on Cuts as soon as it comes in the mail.

Are Juice Plus, Sugar Free Metamucil, Leucine, Coral Calcium, NAC, and Glutamine all necessary for keto? I figured not the glutamine at least. I can always pick the other stuff up though.

My current stack is
Omega
Nitro
Pak
Pump
Cuts
Storm (on off days)

[krazyassmexican]

krazy, i just found a list of recommended supps for keto from myth on the md forums.
some of the stuff, like creatine and cinnulin are in storm already. i have most of the stuff thats found in my other supps like Animal Omega, Pak, Nitro, and Pump. I will also be going on Cuts as soon as it comes in the mail.

Are Juice Plus, Sugar Free Metamucil, Leucine, Coral Calcium, NAC, and Glutamine all necessary for keto? I figured not the glutamine at least. I can always pick the other stuff up though.

My current stack is
Omega
Nitro
Pak
Pump
Cuts
Storm (on off days)

juice plus is not necessary since you are taking pak same thing with coral calcium, i dont know what nac is, glutamine is a big no, sugar free metamucil is a must or you will have problems shittin, no need for storm and pump imo get some creatine monohidrate
universal sales some huge containers for like 10 bucks

[ROC1291]

juice plus is not necessary since you are taking pak same thing with coral calcium, i dont know what nac is, glutamine is a big no, sugar free metamucil is a must or you will have problems shittin, no need for storm and pump imo get some creatine monohidrate
universal sales some huge containers for like 10 bucks

alright...
as soon as i am done with my can of pump and storm ill order some.
ill make sure i go get that metamucil asap too.
whats the dosage on that? 2x per day

[krazyassmexican]

alright...
as soon as i am done with my can of pump and storm ill order some.
ill make sure i go get that metamucil asap too.
whats the dosage on that? 2x per day

2 per day yeah if you are already constipated and really fucked up go for 3

[simpleguy]

glutamine is a big no

... really? I know Dave doesn't recommend it (probably since the whey has enough of it) but why is it a 'big' no, it's not like 10g of it could knock you out of keto

[krazyassmexican]

... really? I know Dave doesn't recommend it (probably since the whey has enough of it) but why is it a 'big' no, it's not like 10g of it could knock you out of keto

first of all it is useless, the studies that showed that glutamine helps with recovery blah blah, were made with another type of glutamine (injectable)

and he doesnt recommend it cuz glutamine, as bcaas spike your insuline

[Gonz]

one of the best bodybuilders in the modern era, with some sick motherfuckin vascularity, wheels and overall physique, used to drink 4liters of diet soda a day while on contest preparation, of course that person used keto and still does with his athletes

Yes, and there are some people that can eat junk food all day and still be ripped. Does that mean it'll happen to you? No. Everyone is different.

krazy, i think he is considering the side effects of the caffeine in diet soda and its ability to kick you out of ketosis due to the fact that it induces insulin spikes.

i made sure i went 50/50 on the soda and purchased a good amount of caffeine free stuff and im going to limit it to 2-3 cans a day.

That's good, I'm just saying, I've known people that get kicked out of Ketosis for the smallest things sometimes. If you notice you're not in Ketosis, the diet sodas may be it.

[Gonz]

krazy, i just found a list of recommended supps for keto from myth on the md forums.
some of the stuff, like creatine and cinnulin are in storm already. i have most of the stuff thats found in my other supps like Animal Omega, Pak, Nitro, and Pump. I will also be going on Cuts as soon as it comes in the mail.

Are Juice Plus, Sugar Free Metamucil, Leucine, Coral Calcium, NAC, and Glutamine all necessary for keto? I figured not the glutamine at least. I can always pick the other stuff up though.

My current stack is
Omega
Nitro
Pak
Pump
Cuts
Storm (on off days)

Why would you need metamucil? Just eat your veggies, that's where your fiber should be coming from anyways.

[krazyassmexican]

Yes, and there are some people that can eat junk food all day and still be ripped. Does that mean it'll happen to you? No. Everyone is different.



That's good, I'm just saying, I've known people that get kicked out of Ketosis for the smallest things sometimes. If you notice you're not in Ketosis, the diet sodas may be it.

bro just because keto "didnt work" for you doesnt mean that works for every one

i am just one of the guys in the forum that had success with this diet and that reads about pros and cons of this diet, and that experiments with it

a year ago i drank diet soda every day while on keto and i still lost 40lbs

sucralose doesnt spike insuline or has carbs unless it is in form of splenda or other sweetners like the other guys said before

[krazyassmexican]

Why would you need metamucil? Just eat your veggies, that's where your fiber should be coming from anyways.

stay on keto for more than 10 weeks eating veggies without metamucil
and then come and ask me why you bleed when you TRY to take a shit

[Gonz]

bro just because keto "didnt work" for you doesnt mean that works for every one

i am just one of the guys in the forum that had success with this diet and that reads about pros and cons of this diet, and that experiments with it

a year ago i drank diet soda every day while on keto and i still lost 40lbs

sucralose doesnt spike insuline or has carbs unless it is in form of splenda or other sweetners like the other guys said before

I never said it didn't work for me. I think you missed the whole point of my post, just because someone says "this is what I did, and it worked wonders for me" doesn't me it will for everyone. Some people get kicked out for artificial sweeteners, others don't, others can take in 100g of carbs per day and still be in Ketosis. Everyone is different.

stay on keto for more than 10 weeks eating veggies without metamucil
and then come and ask me why you bleed when you TRY to take a shit

Um yeah I have done it before, it's not that big of a deal.

[krazyassmexican]

I never said it didn't work for me. I think you missed the whole point of my post, just because someone says "this is what I did, and it worked wonders for me" doesn't me it will for everyone. Some people get kicked out for artificial sweeteners, others don't, others can take in 100g of carbs per day and still be in Ketosis. Everyone is different.



Um yeah I have done it before, it's not that big of a deal.

bro?
i dont know if you are just trying to be cool or trying to start shit but have you ever heard about colon cancer?

that is all i gotta say i aint have time for clownin i gotta go training

[Joseb]

one of the best bodybuilders in the modern era, with some sick motherfuckin vascularity, wheels and overall physique, used to drink 4liters of diet soda a day while on contest preparation, of course that person used keto and still does with his athletes

dave palumbo? haha i saw that exact video

krazy, i think he is considering the side effects of the caffeine in diet soda and its ability to kick you out of ketosis due to the fact that it induces insulin spikes.

i made sure i went 50/50 on the soda and purchased a good amount of caffeine free stuff and im going to limit it to 2-3 cans a day.

hm. caffeine doesnt kick you out of ketosis.. actually, because of caffeine, you'd probably be able to consume more carbs than usual. this is because caffeine decreases your insulin sensitivity

if anything, caffeine would raise your cortisol levels

that it would. but in the end, calories in calories out matters most. if you are getting the proper rest and nutrition, cortisol wont eat your muscles!

Yes, and there are some people that can eat junk food all day and still be ripped. Does that mean it'll happen to you? No. Everyone is different.



That's good, I'm just saying, I've known people that get kicked out of Ketosis for the smallest things sometimes. If you notice you're not in Ketosis, the diet sodas may be it.

the only thing that kicks you out of ketosis is.. AN INSULIN SPIKE!
insulin gets spiked though having excess carbs in your bloodstream.. OR having too many aminos in your bloodstream
diet soda: no aminos, no carbs, no calories.. i dont tihnk it can kick you out of ketosis.

[Gonz]

bro?
i dont know if you are just trying to be cool or trying to start shit but have you ever heard about colon cancer?

that is all i gotta say i aint have time for clownin i gotta go training

Colon cancer? Expand on that. I'm not trying to sound "cool", I just think many here think "Well if it worked for him, it has to work for me". Also, I'd rather take the real stuff over a supplement. Why take Metamucil when you can have real, good for you vegetables?

the only thing that kicks you out of ketosis is.. AN INSULIN SPIKE!
insulin gets spiked though having excess carbs in your bloodstream.. OR having too many aminos in your bloodstream
diet soda: no aminos, no carbs, no calories.. i dont tihnk it can kick you out of ketosis.

Just because it doesn't happen to you, doesn't mean it won't. I know plenty of people doing Keto that stay away from artificial sweeteners because they won't go into Keto because of it. Some people are more finicky than others.

[adidamps2]

well if insulin knocks you out of ketosis...ALL of US better not eat/use:
Whole eggs
Whey protein
BCAA
EAA
anything with sat fat
steak

and a host of other shit that will cause insulin spikes.

I'm les concerned with insulin spikes as I am with over filling glycogen stores..which in the end is what will trigger your body to decide if it needs to use glycogen or ketones to fuel shit.


and as far as metamucil goes, use it if you need too, but a well laid out/thought out keto really does require its usage.

if your that concerned about fiber, eat more romain lettuce, spinach, brocolli, peppers, cauliflower, asparigus, cucumbers, squash and zucini (I'm sure i spelled that wrong).

or here's one eat this FRUIT!!! Ava-fucking-cado's!!!! a typical large avocado has between 12-18g of fiber!!!! that plus 1-2servings of raw nuts (like almonds or walnuts) can have your fiber intake pushed upward of 25g a day.

[Gonz]

well if insulin knocks you out of ketosis...ALL of US better not eat/use:
Whole eggs
Whey protein
BCAA
EAA
anything with sat fat
steak

and a host of other shit that will cause insulin spikes.

I'm les concerned with insulin spikes as I am with over filling glycogen stores..which in the end is what will trigger your body to decide if it needs to use glycogen or ketones to fuel shit.


and as far as metamucil goes, use it if you need too, but a well laid out/thought out keto really does require its usage.

if your that concerned about fiber, eat more romain lettuce, spinach, brocolli, peppers, cauliflower, asparigus, cucumbers, squash and zucini (I'm sure i spelled that wrong).

or here's one eat this FRUIT!!! Ava-fucking-cado's!!!! a typical large avocado has between 12-18g of fiber!!!! that plus 1-2servings of raw nuts (like almonds or walnuts) can have your fiber intake pushed upward of 25g a day.

Agreed, well put sir. I'm going to start a "cycle" of Keto this next week, anyone have the Keto calculator on hand?

[krazyassmexican]

why metamucil instead of THE REAL STUFF?
when you eat veggies you are not only eating fibrous carbs you are eating carbs that will impact your body, then if you add nuts etc etc you may end up runnin back on glycogen

to get the same ammount of fiber in 2 servings of glycogen you will need a bunch of veggies, impact carbs etc etc.....

not to be an ass but i dont wanna start a discussion with people other than chandler, ox, myth, legend, drops, simpleguy, and people that walks the walk

[adidamps2]

why metamucil instead of THE REAL STUFF?
when you eat veggies you are not only eating fibrous carbs you are eating carbs that will impact your body, then if you add nuts etc etc you may end up runnin back on glycogen

to get the same ammount of fiber in 2 servings of glycogen you will need a bunch of veggies, impact carbs etc etc.....

not to be an ass but i dont wanna start a discussion with people other than chandler, ox, myth, legend, drops, simpleguy, and people that walks the walk

walk what walk?
the keto walk or the DP/Ox diet walk?

teh only way veggies and nuts are going to knock you out of ketosis, is if..IF..you eat enough of them to fill LIVER & MUSCLE glycogen levels back up too full levels..which is pretty hard to do, is you concider how fibour dense these foods are, and are wise enough which veggies/nuts to select based on there total carb to fiber ratio which equal total impact carbs.

let me know when and how much romain lettuce you have too eat too knock your self out of ketosis.

[ChandlerXJ]

Thanks KRAZY...

My experience... and mine only - KEEP veggies high for the fiber, a small handful of spinnach each meal, or one good sized spinach salad per day...

you can use a fiber supplement - I only did when needed, wasn't consistent.

It is HARD to kick yourself out of ketosis if you've been in it long enough and strong enough - some more harder than others. For me, I don't even think I went out of it until like 5 days ago LOL...

This is why some guys like OX can take 3 packs of nitro, and some can't...

It's all individual - I used storm for about a month on my diet, no ill effects...

Insulin is not an ALL or NOTHING thing... it's dose dependant. So, if you eat, anything, yeah you're going to get SOME insulin release, but not enough, or for long enough to blunt fat burning or kick you out of ketosis...

Trust me, the amount your blood glucose levels rise after a meal on keto and after a meal on a carb diet is like night and day...

[krazyassmexican]

Thanks KRAZY...

My experience... and mine only - KEEP veggies high for the fiber, a small handful of spinnach each meal, or one good sized spinach salad per day...

you can use a fiber supplement - I only did when needed, wasn't consistent.

It is HARD to kick yourself out of ketosis if you've been in it long enough and strong enough - some more harder than others. For me, I don't even think I went out of it until like 5 days ago LOL...

This is why some guys like OX can take 3 packs of nitro, and some can't...

It's all individual - I used storm for about a month on my diet, no ill effects...

Insulin is not an ALL or NOTHING thing... it's dose dependant. So, if you eat, anything, yeah you're going to get SOME insulin release, but not enough, or for long enough to blunt fat burning or kick you out of ketosis...

Trust me, the amount your blood glucose levels rise after a meal on keto and after a meal on a carb diet is like night and day...

my veggie consern is not only about kickin yourself out of ketosis
but the big question is...

will your stomach shrink with all those veggies?
is pretty simple if that worked DP would tell you to eat veggies with every single meal like you said

[Gonz]

why metamucil instead of THE REAL STUFF?
when you eat veggies you are not only eating fibrous carbs you are eating carbs that will impact your body, then if you add nuts etc etc you may end up runnin back on glycogen

to get the same ammount of fiber in 2 servings of glycogen you will need a bunch of veggies, impact carbs etc etc.....

not to be an ass but i dont wanna start a discussion with people other than chandler, ox, myth, legend, drops, simpleguy, and people that walks the walk

lol, yeah I don't want to continue a discussion with you either, in fact I never really wanted to. Just adding in my own .02 regarding Keto. The fact that you think veggies (the leafy green types) would kick you out of Ketosis is just ridiculous. Anyways, anyone here do TKD? I figure I'm going to be doing Keto, but I want to use EAA Nitro for my workouts solely, considering I'm doing Keto with Intermittent Fasting.

[Joseb]

spinach turns real nasty sometimes.
dont add any evoo to it.

[simpleguy]

hey adidamps... I hear dif opinions about it as well... and honestly after hearing a big side on both sides of the story I can say I tend to believe that insulin is what does or does not determine ketosis... whey, bcaas, or eggs don't spike your insuline like carbs...

for me the only real 'proof' I have is that after a cheat meal worth of 300-400g of carbs in the evening (say during 8 and 11pm), by tomorrow morning I'm in ketosis yet my glycogen stores are pretty much filled up... during the night I didn't burn any carbs since we only burn fat during sleep...

not that I wanna be a smartass, just wanna hear your side of the story, why you think it's not insulin-related

[simpleguy]

since we're on the subject of fiber, I have to say it has helped me a lot while doing Palumbo's diet... shit especially when reaching the pro/veg days (meaning no fiber from nuts), so without it I'd barely be getting in 5g of fiber or so, which is very little...

not to gross anybody out, but you gotta take in enough fiber, idk for me seeing blood on my shit kinda freaked me out a bit... not something I'd like to see regularly you know?

[Tron]

no matter what diet you are on, if you get too many cals, you won't lose fat

Amen.... Caloric deficit = body mass loss (Preferably all fat... not always the case)

[adidamps2]

hey adidamps... I hear dif opinions about it as well... and honestly after hearing a big side on both sides of the story I can say I tend to believe that insulin is what does or does not determine ketosis... whey, bcaas, or eggs don't spike your insuline like carbs...

for me the only real 'proof' I have is that after a cheat meal worth of 300-400g of carbs in the evening (say during 8 and 11pm), by tomorrow morning I'm in ketosis yet my glycogen stores are pretty much filled up... during the night I didn't burn any carbs since we only burn fat during sleep...

not that I wanna be a smartass, just wanna hear your side of the story, why you think it's not insulin-related

after being on keto for, lets just say for shits and giggles, 2 weeks..how much of your bodies glycogen stores are probably left? if your work outs are intense and carbs (after minusing out fiber) kept low (under 50g IMO), your going to ripped through a good portion of your glycogen stores (atleast enough to make your body gointo ketosis right?). so keeping that in mind, and realizing that between ones liver and muscles stores, your body can hold well over 300-400g's of carbs (which by week 2 you should have spent well more than that). thats why (I believe) you can eat that way and still wake up in the morning in ketosis. if insulin IMO were the case that 300-400g carb meal would have you jet rocking out of ketosis.

[simpleguy]

if insulin IMO were the case that 300-400g carb meal would have you jet rocking out of ketosis.

that's just my point... some good hours after eating the cheat meal I'm not running on ketones, but on the carbs from the cheat meal... in the morning (some good hours after waking up), the food has digested (insulin is low again), I have already eaten something low glycemic and I'm in ketosis again

again, I'm no expert, but I thought the thing with ketosis is not just black or white (like just you're in/out)... don't know why anyone would lie about it, but I've been told that your body still produces some ketones whilst on carbs in case your insulin threshold is low... especially if you use gdas which lower the insulin response, it can happen...

[adidamps2]

that's just my point... some good hours after eating the cheat meal I'm not running on ketones, but on the carbs from the cheat meal... in the morning (some good hours after waking up), the food has digested (insulin is low again), I have already eaten something low glycemic and I'm in ketosis again

again, I'm no expert, but I thought the thing with ketosis is not just black or white (like just you're in/out)... don't know why anyone would lie about it, but I've been told that your body still produces some ketones whilst on carbs in case your insulin threshold is low... especially if you use gdas which lower the insulin response, it can happen...


I donnu either, and I haven't ever thought of it as black/white in any case...
if I am making it sound black and white, I am not. I simply think there is more too it than, INSULIN for knocking you out of ketosis...which I think is what both of us are saying, in differnt ways.

[ROC1291]

Somebody said aminos can knock you out of ketosis?

That made me fucking worried as hell man...
I take one pack of nitro before, and one post workout. I hope thats not too much...
I feel fine as far as ketosis goes... but I've only been in for a couple of days.

[krazyassmexican]

Somebody said aminos can knock you out of ketosis?

That made me fucking worried as hell man...
I take one pack of nitro before, and one post workout. I hope thats not too much...
I feel fine as far as ketosis goes... but I've only been in for a couple of days.

i know ox takes nitro but hughe285 says bcaas and eaas can knock you out of keto....

why?
the answer is glucogenesis

[ROC1291]

i know ox takes nitro but hughe285 says bcaas and eaas can knock you out of keto....

why?
the answer is glucogenesis

i am not worried... if you take it with water you wont absorb as many. plus...
legend seems to prescribe a good amount of leucine and glutamine, so fuck it.
2 packs is ok for me.

[krazyassmexican]

i am not worried... if you take it with water you wont absorb as many. plus...
legend seems to prescribe a good amount of leucine and glutamine, so fuck it.
2 packs is ok for me.

from what i remember legend and myth say no to them too
they are ok on offseasson

glucogenesis has nothing to do with ingesting carbs
but excess protein

[ROC1291]

from what i remember legend and myth say no to them too
they are ok on offseasson

glucogenesis has nothing to do with ingesting carbs
but excess protein

my protein is on point...
as far as 2 packs of nitro go... it only has just under 5g of EAA's and just under 4g of BCAA's.

I have found a list where legend specifically says, 5g glutamine 2x per day, 5g leucine 2x per day