Lean Mass Stack While Cutting

[basketcase]

Short and Sweet of it. I have consistently lost 2.5lb/week for the last 4-6 weeks. Diet is better than it ever has been, and getting better. I still have a high percentage of body fat (around the waistline), but everything else is coming around.

I've researched the crap out of this (probably too much). From just the 'foundational' supplements (pak, flex, omega) to 'one of everything' (pak, flex, omega, cuts, nitro) and everything in between. Because I've gone from one end to the other, I can't make up my mind.

I was thinking Pump, then researched M-Stack, back and forth on those, blah, blah blah.

Then I found this:

Stack #1: The Natural Lean Mass Stack
Goal:
For competitive lifters seeking to maintain mass and size while increasing deep cuts. This triple stack can help increase the anabolic drive and promote muscle size, overall conditioning, and a freaky “onion-skin” look.

Tools:
• Animal Pak
• Animal Cuts
• Animal M-Stak

Schedule:
Animal Pak 1 packs daily, with breakfast
Animal Cuts 2 packs daily, once in the morning before breakfast and another in the early afternoon, allowing for at least 3-4 hours between each pack
Animal M-Stak 1 pack daily, 30-45 minutes prior to training

Note:
Don’t take the Cuts and the M-Stak simultaneously, but stagger them. And always take the M-Stak before you lift. In other words, if you lift at 6pm, take the Cuts first thing in the morning, and again before lunch. Take the M-Stak at 5:15pm or so. But if you train in the morning, take the M-Stak before you lift, the first Cuts before lunch, and the second Cuts before dinner. Try to stagger the Cuts and the M-Stak at least 4 hours apart.

Tips:
When taking M-Stak by itself or in any combination, be sure to get at least a gram of protein per pound of bodyweight. Let its “nutrition-partitioning” effects work for you. By taking in cleaner calories and cutting out the junk, this triple stack will work more effectively.

The above works. I'll add flex and omega to round everything off.

The goal obviously is to continue trimming the gut while maintaining (maybe gaining) size in my arms/legs.

Thoughts, suggestions, criticisms, etc?

Thanks!

Oh, I'm almost out of my current Multi-Vitamin and am out of my current joint supp, so I need to order sooner than later.

Thanks again!

[MonTanaMusCle]

Short and Sweet of it. I have consistently lost 2.5lb/week for the last 4-6 weeks. Diet is better than it ever has been, and getting better. I still have a high percentage of body fat (around the waistline), but everything else is coming around.

I've researched the crap out of this (probably too much). From just the 'foundational' supplements (pak, flex, omega) to 'one of everything' (pak, flex, omega, cuts, nitro) and everything in between. Because I've gone from one end to the other, I can't make up my mind.

I was thinking Pump, then researched M-Stack, back and forth on those, blah, blah blah.

Then I found this:



The above works. I'll add flex and omega to round everything off.

The goal obviously is to continue trimming the gut while maintaining (maybe gaining) size in my arms/legs.

Thoughts, suggestions, criticisms, etc?

Thanks!

Oh, I'm almost out of my current Multi-Vitamin and am out of my current joint supp, so I need to order sooner than later.

Thanks again!

This by far is my favorite stack. The M-Stack will make you hungry as hell and dont be afraid to eat a ton of CLEAN food with this because the way its designed it will go into the muscle. Lots of clean food, tons of water, hard training and seriously in 3 wks you will see some change. Good luck with that and let us know how it goes

[basketcase]

This by far is my favorite stack. The M-Stack will make you hungry as hell and dont be afraid to eat a ton of CLEAN food with this because the way its designed it will go into the muscle. Lots of clean food, tons of water, hard training and seriously in 3 wks you will see some change. Good luck with that and let us know how it goes


Clean food for me will be chicken breast, Tuna, Salmon, Turkey, natural peanut butter and salad. I'm gonna start packing my lunch to try and get more whole foods then just grabbing peanut butter and a protein shake.

Thanks for the reply, greatly appreciated.

[Phenom]

This by far is my favorite stack. The M-Stack will make you hungry as hell and dont be afraid to eat a ton of CLEAN food with this because the way its designed it will go into the muscle. Lots of clean food, tons of water, hard training and seriously in 3 wks you will see some change. Good luck with that and let us know how it goes

+1

Great results w/ this stack

[MonTanaMusCle]

Clean food for me will be chicken breast, Tuna, Salmon, Turkey, natural peanut butter and salad. I'm gonna start packing my lunch to try and get more whole foods then just grabbing peanut butter and a protein shake.

Thanks for the reply, greatly appreciated.

Perfect !!! Wheres the beef ??? Dont be afraid to put down 10 oz of extra lean beef, once a day maybe twice. But packing your meals in advance will be huge. Good luck Brother.

[basketcase]

Perfect !!! Wheres the beef ??? Dont be afraid to put down 10 oz of extra lean beef, once a day maybe twice. But packing your meals in advance will be huge. Good luck Brother.

I can't remember the last time I had beef. The only 'lean' beef I can find is hamburger..I see no mention of 'lean' anywhere in regards to steaks and such.

I just finished up 6 chicken breasts on the grill for next week...all cubed up and ready to go with something :D

Thanks!

[MonTanaMusCle]

I can't remember the last time I had beef. The only 'lean' beef I can find is hamburger..I see no mention of 'lean' anywhere in regards to steaks and such.

I just finished up 6 chicken breasts on the grill for next week...all cubed up and ready to go with something :D

Thanks!

Ya hamburgers fine, I go with 15% lean, if I go any lower it tastes like dried dogshit. (or what I would image dry digshit tastes like). I'm not sure what steaks are the leanest I guess I have a project to do at work today !!!!!

[basketcase]

Ya hamburgers fine, I go with 15% lean, if I go any lower it tastes like dried dogshit. (or what I would image dry digshit tastes like). I'm not sure what steaks are the leanest I guess I have a project to do at work today !!!!!

You can go with 85/15? I saw 95/5 or 97/3, but have heard it gets dry pretty quickly.

You say:

Dont be afraid to put down 10 oz of extra lean beef, once a day maybe twice.

Do you mean 10oz for the day? or 10oz per serving? At $8/lb for lean beef, that shit would get expensive in a hurry!

[MonTanaMusCle]

You can go with 85/15? I saw 95/5 or 97/3, but have heard it gets dry pretty quickly.

You say:



Do you mean 10oz for the day? or 10oz per serving? At $8/lb for lean beef, that shit would get expensive in a hurry!

Ya per serving, But your right it can get pricey so do the best you can. Where I'm at, every Fri. the grocery store has a managers special, and they get rid of all the beef thats expired or getting close, and its dirt cheap. Im sure if you look around you can find something similar. This has enabled me to eat alot more cow.

[dclutter1]

I can't remember the last time I had beef. The only 'lean' beef I can find is hamburger..I see no mention of 'lean' anywhere in regards to steaks and such. Thanks!

These are all considered "extra lean" cuts:
Eye of round roast
Top round steak
Mock tender steak
Bottom round roast
Top sirloin steak

My favorite is flat iron steak, it's not as lean as those but it's still pretty lean and it tastes great.

[Mcdiesel14]

I eat the 93/3 hamburger alot and if you use Worcestershire sauce and some garlic powder its really not bad and the Worcestershire sauce doesn't have anything really in it, doesn't even have that much salt.

[Segansational]

That stack looks solid. I've been meaning to try out M-Stack.

As far as keeping lean beef hamburgers from drying out, try chopping up some onions and throwing them in when you make the patties. It helps give some moisture. I do this with turkey burgers as well (which can get real dry) and it helps.

[MonTanaMusCle]

These are all considered "extra lean" cuts:
Eye of round roast
Top round steak
Mock tender steak
Bottom round roast
Top sirloin steak

My favorite is flat iron steak, it's not as lean as those but it's still pretty lean and it tastes great.

Thanks Brother.

That stack looks solid. I've been meaning to try out M-Stack.

As far as keeping lean beef hamburgers from drying out, try chopping up some onions and throwing them in when you make the patties. It helps give some moisture. I do this with turkey burgers as well (which can get real dry) and it helps.

I'll have to try that, i normally drown stuff in BBQ sauce but thats not a good Idea. Turkey I think can get more dry then the beef. so this should help thanks.

[basketcase]

That stack looks solid. I've been meaning to try out M-Stack.

As far as keeping lean beef hamburgers from drying out, try chopping up some onions and throwing them in when you make the patties. It helps give some moisture. I do this with turkey burgers as well (which can get real dry) and it helps.

I've used onions and mushrooms.

I eat the 93/3 hamburger alot and if you use Worcestershire sauce and some garlic powder its really not bad and the Worcestershire sauce doesn't have anything really in it, doesn't even have that much salt.


I've tried low-sodium sauce in the past, not certain how it compares to Worcestershire sauce.

Thanks for the advice guys!

[basketcase]

So I'm bringing my thread back to the top...

I was reluctant to do the M-Stack at the time because I didn't want the increased appetite (still got it in my head sometimes, eating a lot is bad)...but I'm doing 5-6 meals a day and choking down the last 2 so maybe the increased appetite would be a good thing.

I've been tracking my meals for the last 5 weeks, I know where I'm weak at (fats). If I added another meal, I'd be golden.

I've weighed more towards Pump than M-Stack as I'd like to try the Creatine.

Either way, I've been sporting the Pak and Flex now.

Since my weight has plateaued the last 3 weeks, my trainer says it is time to step it up a notch and look at supplements.

Her general recommendations (going from what I can remember here)

Pre-Work Out - Whey Protein / Amino Acids / NO supplement / Creatine (she has mixed emotions about creatine saying everyone she knows has gotten bloated with it) / Caffeine (again, she has mixed feelings, says it could be good, may have no affect) I don't think it could be a bad thing, I could sure use a pick me up.

Post-Work Out - Whey Protein / Amino Acids / fast-digesting carbs / creatine (see above).

So based on this I'm thinking

Pak
Flex
Ultra ISO Whey
EAA Stack
Pump
Cuts

My post-work out shake is high-calorie / high protein with 1-Cup oats...I keep thinking Torrent, but a reply in "Ox's Stable" is keeping me from Torrent on a cut.

I guess I didn't post stats:

6'3"
280lb
30% + BF (haven't checked this in over 2 months, but that's what it was then)
24 Years Old

I started in the gym in February, with a month off (travel for work and knee injury) in between and a poor diet in the beginning at 308lb. I'm happy with the results, I know they could be better, and that's all about to change now.

Any and all advice would be greatly appreciated.

From this thread I now have a good bit of 85/15 beef in my diet(agree with previous poster, anything leaner is horrible) and am now happy to have beef back in my diet.

Thanks!

[MonTanaMusCle]

So I'm bringing my thread back to the top...

I was reluctant to do the M-Stack at the time because I didn't want the increased appetite (still got it in my head sometimes, eating a lot is bad)...but I'm doing 5-6 meals a day and choking down the last 2 so maybe the increased appetite would be a good thing.

I've been tracking my meals for the last 5 weeks, I know where I'm weak at (fats). If I added another meal, I'd be golden.

I've weighed more towards Pump than M-Stack as I'd like to try the Creatine.

Either way, I've been sporting the Pak and Flex now.

Since my weight has plateaued the last 3 weeks, my trainer says it is time to step it up a notch and look at supplements.

Her general recommendations (going from what I can remember here)

Pre-Work Out - Whey Protein / Amino Acids / NO supplement / Creatine (she has mixed emotions about creatine saying everyone she knows has gotten bloated with it) / Caffeine (again, she has mixed feelings, says it could be good, may have no affect) I don't think it could be a bad thing, I could sure use a pick me up.

Post-Work Out - Whey Protein / Amino Acids / fast-digesting carbs / creatine (see above).

So based on this I'm thinking

Pak
Flex
Ultra ISO Whey
EAA Stack
Pump
Cuts

My post-work out shake is high-calorie / high protein with 1-Cup oats...I keep thinking Torrent, but a reply in "Ox's Stable" is keeping me from Torrent on a cut.

I guess I didn't post stats:

6'3"
280lb
30% + BF (haven't checked this in over 2 months, but that's what it was then)
24 Years Old

I started in the gym in February, with a month off (travel for work and knee injury) in between and a poor diet in the beginning at 308lb. I'm happy with the results, I know they could be better, and that's all about to change now.

Any and all advice would be greatly appreciated.

From this thread I now have a good bit of 85/15 beef in my diet(agree with previous poster, anything leaner is horrible) and am now happy to have beef back in my diet.

Thanks!

Glad to see you lost all that weight good work. As far as the creatine bloat is concerned yes some people experience some bloat with it however its just water, so if you can stand feeling a little bloated it doesnt hurt to keep the creatine, but with pump there is no bloat so if your thinking creatine stay with pump. Caffeine I think is a good supp if used in small doses since it stimulates the CNS you dont want to go overboard. Again with the cuts and pump you should be getting enough. Since your on a cut I would not do any fast digesting carbs anytime, spiking insulin should be left for bulking, IMO oatmeal is perfect, and that looks like a solid stack, stay with it and eat clean you'll be beach ready in no time. Good luck brother

[basketcase]

Since your on a cut I would not do any fast digesting carbs anytime, spiking insulin should be left for bulking, IMO oatmeal is perfect, and that looks like a solid stack, stay with it and eat clean you'll be beach ready in no time. Good luck brother

I don't want fast-digesting carbs even after workout?

Thanks for your help and support...greatly appreciated!

[MonTanaMusCle]

I don't want fast-digesting carbs even after workout?

Thanks for your help and support...greatly appreciated!

Correct. When cutting you want your insulin to stay as level as possible all day long. Since you are lowering your caloric intake any spike in insulin and your body will be more apt to store it as fat. It wont even hurt when you do eat carbs be sure and have some fats with it to slow down insulin absorption even more. Just an idea hope this helps

[basketcase]

Correct. When cutting you want your insulin to stay as level as possible all day long. Since you are lowering your caloric intake any spike in insulin and your body will be more apt to store it as fat. It wont even hurt when you do eat carbs be sure and have some fats with it to slow down insulin absorption even more. Just an idea hope this helps

So this is why no-carb / Keto is popular? I'm guessing carb cycling is a bad idea when cutting.

[MonTanaMusCle]

So this is why no-carb / Keto is popular? I'm guessing carb cycling is a bad idea when cutting.

No a ton of people carb cycle, and get ripped to shreds with it. Keto is the prefered IMO because it has to work, its the way the body is designed so ya its more difficult to stick with but its failproof IMO. Plus theres more perks with keto, I.E ZERO bloat, acne clears up, quick results, some people even gain muscle on it. mood is stable through out no energy crashes (other then the first couple days) just to name a few.

[basketcase]

No a ton of people carb cycle, and get ripped to shreds with it. Keto is the prefered IMO because it has to work, its the way the body is designed so ya its more difficult to stick with but its failproof IMO. Plus theres more perks with keto, I.E ZERO bloat, acne clears up, quick results, some people even gain muscle on it. mood is stable through out no energy crashes (other then the first couple days) just to name a few.


I'm in a tough spot..I imagine I'm not the only one. I'm trying to cut a huge amount of body fat, while still gain/maintain strength. My trainer continues to add weight, sometimes I can lift it, others, not so much, but I have to keep moving forward in that regards. I have gained strength while cutting, but I'm certain I could be stronger if I wasn't cutting.

I've thought about cutting carbs...I hate crashing, I know when I used to have a candy bar, gatorade or something similar, it'd be great 'burst' but shortly after, it'd be a horrible crash, I hate that feeling! I honestly don't eat that many carbs in the first place (100g-300g - leaning more towards the lesser amount).

Again, this is all new to me...Trying to find out what works for me. Don't want to get into a handful of supplements at once...would love to find what works, what doesn't work and go from there. I know it takes time, just have to keep telling myself that.

Thanks again for all your advice. Greatly appreciated.

[stumblin54]

Just some advice, if you're starting out new in the diet area and learning a lot, as you are, I would recommend carb cycling over keto. Keto is a tough diet to stick to for beginners as well as advanced lifters. You have a good attitude about this though and that will get you far in this sport.

Stumblin

[JimmyZ]

Like mentioned above, you won't get bloat with Pump. I've tried many different creatine supps and the best so far with regards to bloat is Pump.
I was wanting to try M'stak too on my keto but I was advised not to, but to save it for the bulking. I will actually save it for the off cycle of Test but thats my story.
Good luck and keep it up.

[basketcase]

Just some advice, if you're starting out new in the diet area and learning a lot, as you are, I would recommend carb cycling over keto. Keto is a tough diet to stick to for beginners as well as advanced lifters. You have a good attitude about this though and that will get you far in this sport.

Stumblin

Like mentioned above, you won't get bloat with Pump. I've tried many different creatine supps and the best so far with regards to bloat is Pump.
I was wanting to try M'stak too on my keto but I was advised not to, but to save it for the bulking. I will actually save it for the off cycle of Test but thats my story.
Good luck and keep it up.

Thanks to both of you for your advice.

[basketcase]

Like mentioned above, you won't get bloat with Pump. I've tried many different creatine supps and the best so far with regards to bloat is Pump.
I was wanting to try M'stak too on my keto but I was advised not to, but to save it for the bulking. I will actually save it for the off cycle of Test but thats my story.
Good luck and keep it up.



Question in regards to Creatine and Pump...Do you take Pump on your off days? I do cardio 5x a week, lift twice a week. Do I need/want the pump pre-cardio?

Thanks again!

[basketcase]

I have a couple of questions out there, but if/when I get the answers this is what I'm tentatively ordering (hopefully tonight).

2x Universal Ultra Iso Whey, 2 Lbs., Vanilla Shake
1x Universal EAA Stack, 260 Grams, Juicy Watermelon
1x Universal Animal Cuts, 42 Paks
1x Universal Animal Pump, 30 Packs
1x Universal Animal Omega, 30 Paks

I may get another tub of EAA Stack or a can of Nitro. Since I'm starting to lift heavier/harder and am trying to cut, I want the EAA's everywhere I can in an attempt to keep what muscle I'm gaining.

I realize that I won't/can't be as strong as I could be while cutting, but I'm taking every effort to protect what I have.

Thanks again for those following along and who have offered their advice.

Greatly appreciated!

[JimmyZ]

Question in regards to Creatine and Pump...Do you take Pump on your off days? I do cardio 5x a week, lift twice a week. Do I need/want the pump pre-cardio?

Thanks again!

Its reccomended for optimal results to take it every day. On non lifting days, post workout day I would take it first thing in the morning upon waking with all the other paks I take. For ex. You lift mon, wed, and fri. Take it in the a.m. upon waking on tues, thurs and sat. This is what I do anyway. With cardio, if you run at night, i'd probably take it in the a.m.

[JimmyZ]

I have a couple of questions out there, but if/when I get the answers this is what I'm tentatively ordering (hopefully tonight).

2x Universal Ultra Iso Whey, 2 Lbs., Vanilla Shake
1x Universal EAA Stack, 260 Grams, Juicy Watermelon
1x Universal Animal Cuts, 42 Paks
1x Universal Animal Pump, 30 Packs
1x Universal Animal Omega, 30 Paks

I may get another tub of EAA Stack or a can of Nitro. Since I'm starting to lift heavier/harder and am trying to cut, I want the EAA's everywhere I can in an attempt to keep what muscle I'm gaining.

I realize that I won't/can't be as strong as I could be while cutting, but I'm taking every effort to protect what I have.

Thanks again for those following along and who have offered their advice.

Greatly appreciated!

Looks good, I'd add nitro and Pak though. I will be adding Mstak after a test cycle which would be good for you but I think you might be a little young for it. Maybe not though, we'll see what others say.

[basketcase]

Looks good, I'd add nitro and Pak though. I will be adding Mstak after a test cycle which would be good for you but I think you might be a little young for it. Maybe not though, we'll see what others say.



I'm already taking Pak and Flex...this order is just for now. I'm set for Pak and Flex till next round.

Thanks for the advice!

[JimmyZ]

Glad I can help bro.

[Enforcer]

Short and Sweet of it. I have consistently lost 2.5lb/week for the last 4-6 weeks. Diet is better than it ever has been, and getting better. I still have a high percentage of body fat (around the waistline), but everything else is coming around.

I've researched the crap out of this (probably too much). From just the 'foundational' supplements (pak, flex, omega) to 'one of everything' (pak, flex, omega, cuts, nitro) and everything in between. Because I've gone from one end to the other, I can't make up my mind.

I was thinking Pump, then researched M-Stack, back and forth on those, blah, blah blah.

Then I found this:



The above works. I'll add flex and omega to round everything off.

The goal obviously is to continue trimming the gut while maintaining (maybe gaining) size in my arms/legs.

Thoughts, suggestions, criticisms, etc?

Thanks!

Oh, I'm almost out of my current Multi-Vitamin and am out of my current joint supp, so I need to order sooner than later.

Thanks again!

Try this bro. I have used this while cutting to help keep my muscle mass:

Animal Pak- 1 pack with breakfast
Animal Nitro- 2 packs post workout
Animal M-Stak- 1 pack 45 minutes prior to training
Animal Cuts- 1 pack upon awakening, 1 pack 30 minutes prior to training
Animal Flex- 1 pack before bed
Animal Omega- 1 pack with a meal

This stack will get it done.

[basketcase]

Try this bro. I have used this while cutting to help keep my muscle mass:

Animal Pak- 1 pack with breakfast
Animal Nitro- 2 packs post workout
Animal M-Stak- 1 pack 45 minutes prior to training
Animal Cuts- 1 pack upon awakening, 1 pack 30 minutes prior to training
Animal Flex- 1 pack before bed
Animal Omega- 1 pack with a meal

This stack will get it done.

I've seen you post this before.

So replace Pump with M-Stack.

Thanks for posting though...I like how you lay it out like this for myself and many others.

I'm ordering now...almost out of my current protein.

Thanks everyone! I'll follow up and let everyone know how it works out.

[basketcase]

Shipment arrived....

I hope to start Monday.

Here is what I think it will look like.

Awake at 6:30AM
Cuts
Breafast at 7AM
Pak
Flex
Lunch at Noon
Cuts
Training at 4:30PM
M-Stak Prior to Training
Home / PWO Shake at 5:50
2 packs Nitro
Meal by 6:30
Omega

I could leave the Pak in the morning and do the flex before bed. Should I just pack a couple Nitro with me and pop them in the locker room RIGHT after the workout or is 20 minutes later fine?

This schedule also works for me on non-training days...

Thoughts? Suggestions?

[MonTanaMusCle]

Shipment arrived....

I hope to start Monday.

Here is what I think it will look like.

Awake at 6:30AM
Cuts
Breafast at 7AM
Pak
Flex
Lunch at Noon
Cuts
Training at 4:30PM
M-Stak Prior to Training
Home / PWO Shake at 5:50
2 packs Nitro
Meal by 6:30
Omega

I could leave the Pak in the morning and do the flex before bed. Should I just pack a couple Nitro with me and pop them in the locker room RIGHT after the workout or is 20 minutes later fine?

This schedule also works for me on non-training days...

Thoughts? Suggestions?

You should add a meal at 930am and again before your lift, and right before bed. but the supplement timing looks good, as far as the nitro goes its best to take it immediatly after.Thats a good stack you will see some damn good results.

[basketcase]

You should add a meal at 930am and again before your lift, and right before bed. but the supplement timing looks good, as far as the nitro goes its best to take it immediatly after.Thats a good stack you will see some damn good results.

Meals are like this:

Meal 1 7AM
Meal 2 10AM
Meal 3 12PM
Meal 4 3PM
Meal 5 6PM
Meal 6 8PM

Bed is usually 10 PM-11 PM

I'm curious to see what results will come of this. My diet is gear towards cutting (caloric deficit), so I don't know how or if I will continue to gain strength. Of course the primary goal has been to lose BF, but the trainer is upping the weights regularly and I need to be able to keep up.

Right now my weight loss has plateaued :( So I'm anxious to get things jump started again.

[MonTanaMusCle]

Meals are like this:

Meal 1 7AM
Meal 2 10AM
Meal 3 12PM
Meal 4 3PM
Meal 5 6PM
Meal 6 8PM

Bed is usually 10 PM-11 PM

I'm curious to see what results will come of this. My diet is gear towards cutting (caloric deficit), so I don't know how or if I will continue to gain strength. Of course the primary goal has been to lose BF, but the trainer is upping the weights regularly and I need to be able to keep up.

Right now my weight loss has plateaued :( So I'm anxious to get things jump started again.

Looks good brother, work hard and get yours.

[basketcase]

Okay, yesterday was the first day for Cuts/M-Stak...I don't think I felt anything. I was expecting to feel jittery or something like Ephedra made me feel back in the day.

Today being the 2nd day, my head felt weird....kind of 'zoned' in, almost reminded me how I felt after a couple of shots of alcohol, head was a little 'wishy-washy'. I haven't had soda/tea/anything with caffeine in it in YEARS, so I was reluctant to get into a stim because I wasn't certain how my body would react...I'll see how I feel tomorrow.

Now a question about M-Stak. Directions say to take 45-minutes prior to training. I did, and I noticed a greater intensity in the beginning (warmed up with 10 mins on an incline) then weights with my trainer...but it wore off quickly. I know this isn't a miracle supplement, can I try 30 minutes and see if my intensity can't last longer into the work-out? It seemed to have wore off quickly.

Is Cuts suppose to clean you out? I'll spare you the details, but yesterday and today, pretty much everything ran right through me. Just curious if it isn't an expected side affect? I'm wondering if it is something that I'm eating that is doing it to me (diet has been static for weeks now) or just one of the new supplements.

Thanks!

[basketcase]

How/Where do I take M-Stak and Nitro on off days? I'll probably do the M-Stak w/o the red pill since I won't need the energy boost. Just take it at my normally scheduled time?

Thanks!

[basketcase]

Okay, so this isn't a journal (been meaning to start one) but anyways for those following along and who have helped me here is a little update.

Last weighed/measured 4/15/2008 and then weighed/measured 6/26/2008.

I can't remember specifics, but it is written down at the gym.

4/15/2008
Weight 282lb
BF% = 36% :(

6/26/2008 (2 weeks in with the above combo)
Weight = 271lb
BF = 29%
LOST 2.5" around my gut
LOST 1.5" around my chest
LOST 1.5" around my waist
GAINED 1" in my arms
GAINED 1.25" in my thighs

I have 1 day left on cuts/M-Stak.

So the combo works...I didn't lose much weight (actually plateaued for 4 weeks), but I like the drop in BF% and the general loss in all the 'problem' areas and the gains in the arms/legs.

I'm carb cycling across 4 days (200g, 170g, 140g, 110g), maintaining about 240g of Protein and 40g of Fats.

From 6/26/2008 to today I'm sitting at 267lb.

Strength is hit or miss, some days I can knock out a good/clean set and other days weight is half what it was the previous week, form is poor and all around just a crappy attempt, but not certain exactly why.

Trainer continues to throw more weight at me. Some days I can knock it out, others as I said above, it's just not there. I've found that I like M-Stak 30 minutes prior to training instead of the recommended 45-minutes, but after having been on it for almost 3 weeks, I don't seem to feel it much. I know it is working cause there is an increased amount of focus/energy, just not as strong as when I first started it.

I'll place another order on Monday for refills.

What I'm curious about and just want to get a feel for....My soreness is different than it has been in the past. The duration is the same (1.5 - 2 days for arms/chest, 3-5 days or legs), but the intensity is considerably less! I'm thinking this is the Nitro, I've always taken Glutamine (15g/day), but the intensity of the soreness was always there. I'm wondering if EAA Stack in addition this time around wouldn't be a bad idea (maybe replace Nitro).

I'm sporting the Omega, not certain good or bad, hear good things about it. I'll continue with it in hopes that it has helped in the drop of BF%.

M-Stak, I'm thinking this is what has let me gain/keep what muslce I've gotten during this 'cut', but I am also wondering if I could drop more weight w/o the M-Stak (I know I'd sacrifice some muscle). I hate to use the word 'weight' as I want to be big in the end, just get rid of the FAT! Here is where I'm thinking patience pays off.

I'm also thinking of adding Pump. As my trainer continues to add weight, I need to be able to step it up and keep up...I'm hoping Pump would let me do that while still continuing to cut the BF.

Any thoughts, advice, etc. as always would be greatly appreciated. Sorry for the long post, I'm cutting it off here as it could get REALLY long!

[killyouintheface]

Question in regards to Creatine and Pump...Do you take Pump on your off days? I do cardio 5x a week, lift twice a week. Do I need/want the pump pre-cardio?

Thanks again!

I love everything about pump, but I only take it on workout days. I take regular creatine monohydrate on my off-days.

Why do you only lift twice a week?

[basketcase]

I love everything about pump, but I only take it on workout days. I take regular creatine monohydrate on my off-days.

Why do you only lift twice a week?

Meet with my trainer twice a week...cardio 5 days a week when I'm not lifting.

Does Universal have a creatine monohydrate?

Thanks!