View Full Version : M-stak and Torrent or M-stak and Stak
eastcoasterlm
05-19-08, 1:32 am
Doing an up and coming bulk cycle with M-stak. 3 weeks to a month long bulk not sure yet. Been training two years, diet is in check, going to be bulking around 4k calories to 5k depending on how much fat I'm gaining. By the time I start this bulk I will be around 180 at 7% bf. Not sure if all this info was needed but wanted my bases covered. I'm 21 btw.
I want to either use M-stak and torrent, or M-stak and stak. I can only afford one combo.
I have PWO shake already, and creatine mono so I'm not lacking in that area. Just heard great thinks about torrent so I'm curious.
In regards to stak my test levels feel fine, my libido has been down recently tho ( compared to where it is when I'm gaining), it seems to do this when I get low in calories not sure if thats the norm.
From most of the research I did you guys never recommend stak for anyone under 25, not for the safety as non of the ingredients in my eyes pose a problem, but just for general effectiveness.
What do you guys feel would benefit me the most for this mini bulk?
SQUAT or DIE!
05-19-08, 2:04 am
i think if you already have a PWO go mstak and stak.. IMO youll get better gains for the money... no point in having 2 PWO drinks.. but torrent is good shit, maybe try it at a later time?
Doing an up and coming bulk cycle with M-stak. 3 weeks to a month long bulk not sure yet. Been training two years, diet is in check, going to be bulking around 4k calories to 5k depending on how much fat I'm gaining. By the time I start this bulk I will be around 180 at 7% bf. Not sure if all this info was needed but wanted my bases covered. I'm 21 btw.
I want to either use M-stak and torrent, or M-stak and stak. I can only afford one combo.
I have PWO shake already, and creatine mono so I'm not lacking in that area. Just heard great thinks about torrent so I'm curious.
In regards to stak my test levels feel fine, my libido has been down recently tho ( compared to where it is when I'm gaining), it seems to do this when I get low in calories not sure if thats the norm.
From most of the research I did you guys never recommend stak for anyone under 25, not for the safety as non of the ingredients in my eyes pose a problem, but just for general effectiveness.
What do you guys feel would benefit me the most for this mini bulk?
Well, you could have good results with Stak. Some guys take it with M-Stak and have great results. Was that from combining the two? Who knows. I think you have the right idea with your research. No, I don't believe Stak would pose any potential health risks, but there's one issue that you need to think about. Stak is recommended for guys 25 and older for a very good reason. I'm 23, so we're pretty much the same age. I recently had my Test levels taken in a lab and they were exactly what I figured they would be....high. If I was to take Stak, a small increase in Testosterone would probably trigger my body's natural response to this increase. It would up the production of Estrogen. Something you definantly don't need while trying to harbor the muscle building effects of a hormone enhancer like Stak. Since you already have a good pre-workout shake like you said, maybe consider giving Animal Test a try. It helps to utilize unbound or "free" testosterone. An increase in your free testosterone at your age would be a little more beneficial I think. I took an M-Stak/Test combo a few months back and had great success. Just something to think about bro. Good Luck
eastcoasterlm
05-19-08, 5:02 am
Well, you could have good results with Stak. Some guys take it with M-Stak and have great results. Was that from combining the two? Who knows. I think you have the right idea with your research. No, I don't believe Stak would pose any potential health risks, but there's one issue that you need to think about. Stak is recommended for guys 25 and older for a very good reason. I'm 23, so we're pretty much the same age. I recently had my Test levels taken in a lab and they were exactly what I figured they would be....high. If I was to take Stak, a small increase in Testosterone would probably trigger my body's natural response to this increase. It would up the production of Estrogen. Something you definantly don't need while trying to harbor the muscle building effects of a hormone enhancer like Stak. Since you already have a good pre-workout shake like you said, maybe consider giving Animal Test a try. It helps to utilize unbound or "free" testosterone. An increase in your free testosterone at your age would be a little more beneficial I think. I took an M-Stak/Test combo a few months back and had great success. Just something to think about bro. Good Luck
very good points, and that is actually of high interest to me. The reason I stayed away from animal test was I have very mild puberty induced gyno. Obv if what your saying about stak holds true thats something I don't want. Granted I got this when I was 16, I wouldn't want it to flare up. Would you agree with me that animal test could effect that? I'll have to do some more research. But just based on the potency of it i was concerned.
very good points, and that is actually of high interest to me. The reason I stayed away from animal test was I have very mild puberty induced gyno. Obv if what your saying about stak holds true thats something I don't want. Granted I got this when I was 16, I wouldn't want it to flare up. Would you agree with me that animal test could effect that? I'll have to do some more research. But just based on the potency of it i was concerned.
Haha....I have limited knowledge of the Endocrine System, but I'm inclined to think that given your prior medical history, Stak and Test should probably be avoided for the time being. With that being said, being as though M-Stak is a non-hormonal supplement, stick with that for now. I would suggest that any and all of your research should be evaluated with a doctor. Talk it over with him or her and go from there.
Enforcer
05-21-08, 1:22 pm
Stak and Torrent all the way.
Stak- 30 minutes before you train
Torrent- immediately post workout
Cellerator65
05-21-08, 1:29 pm
bro, i did stak and torrent for 8 weeks, along with a good diet and other staple supps... able to gain 11lbs
Enforcer
05-21-08, 1:34 pm
bro, i did stak and torrent for 8 weeks, along with a good diet and other staple supps... able to gain 11lbs
See ^^^^^^ I tell no lies
eastcoasterlm
05-21-08, 2:49 pm
See ^^^^^^ I tell no lies
well I know I want to use m-stak, so are you saying I should def hit up stak also? In that case Id have to go with m-stak and stak as I don't have the funds for torreant and thoses two. I would assume stak wouldn't be potent enough to flare up the mild gyno I have.
Enforcer
05-21-08, 3:05 pm
well I know I want to use m-stak, so are you saying I should def hit up stak also? In that case Id have to go with m-stak and stak as I don't have the funds for torreant and thoses two. I would assume stak wouldn't be potent enough to flare up the mild gyno I have.
Do M-Stak and Torrent then