Care to critique....please?

[JimmyZ]

Wake up 530
Cup of coffee
2 scoops of whey, 1 scoop of HMC (Waxy Maize), 1/2 of cup of frozen blue berries, 1 banana.
1 Animal Pak, 1 Flex, 1 Cuts

Morning Break 900
1 Albacore Sandwich w/light mayo on Whole Grain Wheat
1 SB Cinn Raisin Breakfast bar 10gProtien
Handfull of TrailMix, mixed dried fruit/nuts

Lunch 1200
1 Albacore Sandwich w/light mayo on Whole Grain Wheat
1 SB Cinn Raisin Bar, 10gProtein
Handfull of Trail Mix, mixed dried fruit/nuts

Afternoon Break 230
1 Yogurt

Pre Workout 530
1 Apple
1 Animal Pump
1 Scoop Whey
1 Scoop of Waxy Maize

Immediate Post Workout
1 Animal Nitro w/8oz grape juice 34g Carbs

Post Workout 1hr after Nitro
2 Scoops of Whey
2 Scoops of Waxy Maize

Bed Time
1 Scoop of Casein Protein

For non workout days, which unfortunately is most of the week, I take the Pump in the morning and just eat a decent meal for dinner. Also, I use water in all my shakes. I used to use milk until I read more in depth about it.

Would any of you experts change anything?
I use the Waxy Maize as a HMC for wake/pre/post. I'm very sensitive to caffiene at night and this helps instead of eating sugary foods.

Thanks.

[train.eat.supp.sleep]

seems like to many shakes to me...id replace that 1 hour after workout meal with some real food...maybe add some cottage cheese to your last meal...a thing of yogurt cannot be considered a meal either...throw in something else...maybe some grilled chicken breasts..you need more protein from whole foods...it will stimulate your metabolism

[JimmyZ]

I don't always use the bed time shake. It depends on how long I was a the gym/late start? Anyway, I'll do one scoop of pro complex and one scoop of casein and throw in a TBSP of PB.

I used to eat a white english muffin with pb and j instead of the shakes but once I started using nitro, I wanted to make sure I got the protein in 1 hr after the whey.

Thanks bro

Any others?

[blueIMlifter]

I don't always use the bed time shake. It depends on how long I was a the gym/late start? Anyway, I'll do one scoop of pro complex and one scoop of casein and throw in a TBSP of PB.

I used to eat a white english muffin with pb and j instead of the shakes but once I started using nitro, I wanted to make sure I got the protein in 1 hr after the whey.

Thanks bro

Any others?

the only whole food sources of protein you get are from albacore and even that is with mayo and on a sandwich???? dude you need some chicken, eggs (white or whole), lean red meat, or even other sources of fish to vary things up.

[krazyassmexican]

the only whole food sources of protein you get are from albacore and even that is with mayo and on a sandwich???? dude you need some chicken, eggs (white or whole), lean red meat, or even other sources of fish to vary things up.

agreed, drop the shakes and the waxy maize just keep it for pre and post workout

[JimmyZ]

Does it matter that this is only work out days? The most I make it to the gym is twice a week right now with work. The off days I'll eat chicken and rice, or lean pork/beef burgers, salmon and rice and misc stuff. I just look for the most supps on work out days. The morning, breaks, lunch are the same every day. It just differs on off days. Still bad?

[krazyassmexican]

Does it matter that this is only work out days? The most I make it to the gym is twice a week right now with work. The off days I'll eat chicken and rice, or lean pork/beef burgers, salmon and rice and misc stuff. I just look for the most supps on work out days. The morning, breaks, lunch are the same every day. It just differs on off days. Still bad?

your body will respond better to whole foods, supps are just that, supps

[JimmyZ]

So quick question, I know whey is the best thing post work out, after the 45min wait of nitro, so should I just eat eggs or chicken. Something high in protein instead of the whey? Or should I cut back on the whey a little, like 1 scoop of each and have say 4-6 eggs?

[krazyassmexican]

So quick question, I know whey is the best thing post work out, after the 45min wait of nitro, so should I just eat eggs or chicken. Something high in protein instead of the whey? Or should I cut back on the whey a little, like 1 scoop of each and have say 4-6 eggs?

you could have 3 shakes a day and the rest make it whole foods
i would keep the whey post workout with waxi maize like i said before
(oh by the way if you are mixing whey and waxi maize make sure is whey isolate)

[Lowdown5]

you could have 3 shakes a day and the rest make it whole foods
i would keep the whey post workout with waxi maize like i said before
(oh by the way if you are mixing whey and waxi maize make sure is whey isolate)


Why does the whey have to be isolate?

[JimmyZ]

Ditto on the question but I am on ON Pro Complex which is Isolate. Thanks krazy

[Lowdown5]

Ditto on the question but I am on ON Pro Complex which is Isolate. Thanks krazy


Actually it contains a blend consisting of Whey Protein Isolates, Whey Protein Concentrate, Egg Albumen and Hydrolyzed Whey Peptides.

[krazyassmexican]

Ditto on the question but I am on ON Pro Complex which is Isolate. Thanks krazy

the pro complex will slow down the waxi maize absorbtion
so i wouldnt use it

in that case drink waxi maize by itself and pop the nitro pills with it

[Lowdown5]

the pro complex will slow down the waxi maize absorbtion
so i wouldnt use it

in that case drink waxi maize by itself and pop the nitro pills with it


But was there a reason to recommend whey isolate only? Just want to know.

I know that Torrent for example uses waxy maize but has whey protein concentrate in it, should that be a concern?

[krazyassmexican]

But was there a reason to recommend whey isolate only? Just want to know.

I know that Torrent for example uses waxy maize but has whey protein concentrate in it, should that be a concern?

waxi maize is a simple carb (we all need simple carbs post workout) if you add whey concentrate or any other type of protein, you will slow down the absorbtion of waxi maize, a waste of money IMO

so whey isolate or hydrolyzed whey is better for waxi maize

by the way torrent doesnt have whey concentrate it has whey protein hydrolysates

i love torrent the only problem i have is the maltodextrin in there, i think if it was all waxi maize it will be less bloating

[Lowdown5]

waxi maize is a simple carb (we all need simple carbs post workout) if you add whey concentrate or any other type of protein, you will slow down the absorbtion of waxi maize, a waste of money IMO

so whey isolate or hydrolyzed whey is better for waxi maize

by the way torrent doesnt have whey concentrate it has whey protein hydrolysates

i love torrent the only problem i have is the maltodextrin in there, i think if it was all waxi maize it will be less bloating


Thank you, I just wasn't sure of the reason. But even though the protein absorption would be slowed a bit when using waxy maize isn't it still a good option considering how cheap waxy maize is? And have you ever asked any of the reps why Torrent does use maltodexterin? More cost efficent maybe?

[krazyassmexican]

Thank you, I just wasn't sure of the reason. But even though the protein absorption would be slowed a bit when using waxy maize isn't it still a good option considering how cheap waxy maize is? And have you ever asked any of the reps why Torrent does use maltodexterin? More cost efficent maybe?

my concern wasnt the slow absorbtion of the protein, but the carbs
i want my waxi maize to hit my blood stream in a heart beat, that is what matters to me

and in my opinion if torrent didnt have malto it could be cheaper and better

[Lowdown5]

my concern wasnt the slow absorbtion of the protein, but the carbs
i want my waxi maize to hit my blood stream in a heart beat, that is what matters to me

and in my opinion if torrent didnt have malto it could be cheaper and better


So PWO you prefer that your carbs hit your system fast, but what about your protein. Isn't the anabolic window for protein uptake the greatest at 45 minutes to one hour post workout? And isn't that when you want your protein to hit your system to start muscle repair?

I am just trying to figure this all out, and you seem to know it pretty well.

[krazyassmexican]

So PWO you prefer that your carbs hit your system fast, but what about your protein. Isn't the anabolic window for protein uptake the greatest at 45 minutes to one hour post workout? And isn't that when you want your protein to hit your system to start muscle repair?

I am just trying to figure this all out, and you seem to know it pretty well.

like i recommended the guy, i would prefer some flavored waxi maize (simple carbs) and animal nitro (aminos)

(remember simple carbs are what stop you from being catabolic)

then i would do a whole food meal

[Lowdown5]

like i recommended the guy, i would prefer some flavored waxi maize (simple carbs) and animal nitro (aminos)

then i would do a whole food meal

Oh, ok. I was just wondering cause you recommended the waxy maize/whey isolate shake as well and I was just wondering why that combo. Like I said, I am just trying to figure this all out.

But I do have the same question still, you prefer that you ingest the carbs and that they hit your system the quickest, don't want them slowed down. Am I misunderstanding this whole "anabolic window"? Should we be more worried with carb uptake post workout as opposed to protein uptake?

[krazyassmexican]

Oh, ok. I was just wondering cause you recommended the waxy maize/whey isolate shake as well and I was just wondering why that combo. Like I said, I am just trying to figure this all out.

But I do have the same question still, you prefer that you ingest the carbs and that they hit your system the quickest, don't want them slowed down. Am I misunderstanding this whole "anabolic window"? Should we be more worried with carb uptake post workout as opposed to protein uptake?

whey isolate/waxi maize
aminos/waxi maize

imo they both good

but like i said i rather have simple carbs post workout than a whey concentrate or a protein blend

(torrent has more carbs than protein too)

simple carbs will spike your insuline and re fuel your glycogen stores, so that will stop your muscles from breaking down

[Lowdown5]

whey isolate/waxi maize
aminos/waxi maize

imo they both good

but like i said i rather have simple carbs post workout than a whey concentrate or a protein blend

(torrent has more carbs than protein too)

simple carbs will spike your insuline and re fuel your glycogen stores, so that will stop your muscles from breaking down


So why doesn't Torrent just use whey isolate? Kinda wierd that it doesn't, oh well.

OK, so simple carbs post workout are more important than protein or am I misreading that? Cause if I am I apologize. So based on that I could just eat a spoon of sugar and be ok? Cause right now I am all confused.

And I want to spike my insulin to refuel my glycogen stores to stop catabolism post workout but don't need protein as much to stop it and start muscle rebuilding?

[krazyassmexican]

So why doesn't Torrent just use whey isolate? Kinda wierd that it doesn't, oh well.

OK, so simple carbs post workout are more important than protein or am I misreading that? Cause if I am I apologize. So based on that I could just eat a spoon of sugar and be ok? Cause right now I am all confused.

And I want to spike my insulin to refuel my glycogen stores to stop catabolism post workout but don't need protein as much to stop it and start muscle rebuilding?
where are you trying to go?

torrent doesnt use isolate i dont know why you may wanna ask j dawg or info@universalnutrition.com

i said like 4 times already that you can use waxi maize and isolate (why do i say isolate? cuz hydrolyzed whey is more expensive)

or waxi maize and aminoacids

(when protein breaks down it turns into aminos, doesnt it?)
so at the end of the day it is the same

if you are trying to turn this thread into a pissin contest and get me some time off you wont get it

also yes torrent has a shitload of sugar a spoon of sugar wont spike your insuline

[Lowdown5]

where are you trying to go?

torrent doesnt use isolate i dont know why you may wanna ask j dawg or info@universalnutrition.com

i said like 4 times already that you can use waxi maize and isolate (why do i say isolate? cuz hydrolyzed whey is more expensive)

or waxi maize and aminoacids

(when protein breaks down it turns into aminos, doesnt it?)
so at the end of the day it is the same

if you are trying to turn this thread into a pissin contest and get me some time off you wont get it

also yes torrent has a shitload of sugar a spoon of sugar wont spike your insuline


Calm down. How am I trying to turn this into a pissin contest? All I am trying to do is understand something. You offered your advice/input and I am just trying to make sure that I have it correct. But excuse me if I upset you by not accepting everything you write as gospel and have questions. Thanks for your time, and again excuse me.

[JimmyZ]

I think what krazy is trying to say multiple times is to worry about simple carbs post work out instead of Whey. So since I am on Animal Nitro post, I should take Waxy Maize as well with the nitro and then with the anabolic window, ie 45 minutes or so, take a whey shake. The maize will only help with the nitro uptake. I believe that is why you take the nitro with Grape juice. Due to the optimal carbs of approx 35g in the grape juice, this aids in uptake. So mix a shake of waxy maize, take nitro. 45minutes later or so take a whey shake.

[krazyassmexican]

I think what krazy is trying to say multiple times is to worry about simple carbs post work out instead of Whey. So since I am on Animal Nitro post, I should take Waxy Maize as well with the nitro and then with the anabolic window, ie 45 minutes or so, take a whey shake. The maize will only help with the nitro uptake. I believe that is why you take the nitro with Grape juice. Due to the optimal carbs of approx 35g in the grape juice, this aids in uptake. So mix a shake of waxy maize, take nitro. 45minutes later or so take a whey shake.

sounds like you got the message bro, but going back on the subject no matter if it is on training days or off days, dont abuse the shakes

in my case right now i am doing 3 shakes and 5 whole food meals on training days and 2 shakes and 5 whole food meals on non training days

[JimmyZ]

Eatin healthy aint cheap. Thanks for the advice Krazy.

[krazyassmexican]

Eatin healthy aint cheap. Thanks for the advice Krazy.

no it aint bro but you always gotta look for options
in chicago to me red meat is fuckin expensive but i can get 85%lean ground beef for like 7dollars 4 3lbs now

chicken is always cheap

buy frozen vegetales (cheap too)

oatmeal is like 2dollars for 2lbs (store brand)
i just bought 4lbs of tilapia for $10

or you can buy cans of tuna for like 50cents each