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ok so iv been struggling a bit to find out what to eat to get the best amount of calories, that are as clean as possible..
i thought we could have a list set up. lets see foods listed beside its estimated amount of calories.
simpleguy
05-29-08, 5:06 pm
I don't really get your idea bro... 100g of carbs will still have 400 cals whether you get it from oats or bananas
krazyassmexican
05-29-08, 5:12 pm
everything is high calories depending on the serving size
G Diesel
05-29-08, 5:20 pm
He is referring to caloric density... Like the amount of calories per gram of a food. He is also referring to nutrient density and whether those calories are "clean" and nutritious. So, essentially, he is looking for a clean food with the maximum amount of calories per gram. It is a matter of efficiency. Peace, G
HardGainer369
05-29-08, 5:33 pm
so are you asking for something along the lines of a double patty burger from wendys? those things have like 800calories...clearly, and i repeat...CLEARLY...that is not clean...lol but is this kind of what your looking for but in clean foods?
so are you asking for something along the lines of a double patty burger from wendys? those things have like 800calories...clearly, and i repeat...CLEARLY...that is not clean...lol but is this kind of what your looking for but in clean foods?
pretty much yea. just exactly what G Diesel said...
prowrestler
05-29-08, 6:00 pm
why the fuck does it take like 10 posts before someon ACTUALLY answeres the fucking question?????
i would say olive oil has to be one of the densest foods. its all fat so i would not sugesst downing liters of it a day.
rice
pasta
peanut butter
oatmeal
maple syrup
chilli
steaks
all i can think of now, ya, some aint the best for you but all are useful depending on what time of day it iws. like pre or post workout and such.
Salmon... 400 Cals per fillet? Plus it taste good on its own.. shit my life is set...
Trail Mix 200 cals per 1/4 cup...
Loving it...
Chin
Salmon... 400 Cals per fillet? Plus it taste good on its own.. shit my life is set...
aw i love salmon...i like it baked with soya sauce and a smalle amount of chopped peppers for a bit of tang..
mmmmmmmm and now i know its 400 cals!!
cheers!
why the fuck does it take like 10 posts before someon ACTUALLY answeres the fucking question?????
haha!! i like canadians!
bobbymart
05-30-08, 3:29 pm
real gains with a few scoops of malodextrin I can get 1000+ calories per shake
Real Gains. By far the best consumption of "clean" calories with the best nutrients you can ask for.
prowrestler
05-30-08, 4:17 pm
ohh, nuts, 1 cup is 1000 calories. i dont remember if is posted that before.
h 3 L L b 0 y
05-31-08, 8:38 am
OATS.. gotta love em.
adidamps2
05-31-08, 1:09 pm
lets see calorie dense and nutritional????
large avocado's!!! roughly 130g in wt (w/o shell) equals:
22g fat (good), 13g carbs (basically 13g of fiber), 4 pro
214 cals and a shit load of vitamins, antioxidants and minerals
coconut, meat/oil
shit ton of high density fat (that acts like carbs, plus only counts as 8 cals per g instead of 9 cal per g like other fats), good carb fiber source, moderate pro
again highly loaded with vitamins & minerals
whole eggs, large
5g fat, .6 carbs, 6 pro
slammed pack full of vitamins/minerals, AA and and EFA and EEA's!!! ideally natures perfect food!!!
lamb, pork, beef, buffalo all nutrient dense!
sweet potatos!
fuckin' loaded with carbs and fiber, along with a host of vitamins/minerals!
bobbymart
05-31-08, 1:45 pm
So I just did 4 scoops of real gains and 2 scoop of WMS and some natty pb I thing I got 1100 calories relativley clean and I drank it in about 5 minutes.
simpleguy
05-31-08, 2:05 pm
So I just did 4 scoops of real gains and 2 scoop of WMS and some natty pb I thing I got 1100 calories relativley clean and I drank it in about 5 minutes.
idk what you call clean, but I'd never have waxy maize during the day (except for post w/o)... and if I had it post w/o, I wouldn't use pb lol
adidamps2
05-31-08, 2:18 pm
I, personally, wouldn't qualify RG or WMS as "clean".
bobbymart
05-31-08, 2:55 pm
what is un clean about real gains or wms? just because of the carbs does not mean it's not clean and if yo uare looking for calorie dense food I take it you are not cutting I put on about 12lbs of lean mass with theses shakes last winter with little spill over to fat.
adidamps2
05-31-08, 3:05 pm
what is un clean about real gains or wms? just because of the carbs does not mean it's not clean and if yo uare looking for calorie dense food I take it you are not cutting I put on about 12lbs of lean mass with theses shakes last winter with little spill over to fat.
calorie dense: yes
Nutrient dense: no it may have macro's, but it lacks in the micro department big time.
clean foods have both, and that is what I judge my food by. do I use pro shakes: yes, but it is used as a supplement, nothing more. I rely on whole foods for most of my calories/macro/micro intake.
bobbymart
05-31-08, 3:09 pm
I do the same but when you are trying to get up to 6000 calories a day you need those shake to supplement for calories you cant get from food and those calories have good protien and amino's from the real gains and a very high quality carb source from the wms. it lacks in the vitamine and mineral dept. but really it has everything else you need in CLEAN FORM and might I add it has very little sugar and that's always a plus for me.
adidamps2
05-31-08, 3:13 pm
I do the same but when you are trying to get up to 6000 calories a day you need those shake to supplement for calories you cant get from food and those calories have good protien and amino's from the real gains and a very high quality carb source from the wms. it lacks in the vitamine and mineral dept. but really it has everything else you need in CLEAN FORM and might I add it has very little sugar and that's always a plus for me.
yes, this may be true, but the OP, wants CLEAN, Nutrient dense, calorie dense foods.
WMS and RG/Gainers/shakes period are not nutrient dense. they are only calorie dense.
and even at 6000 calories a day, I would debate back that yes, you can get those calories w/o wt gain shakes or carb replacements...it can be accomplished with whole foods soley.
bobbymart
05-31-08, 3:17 pm
yes, this may be true, but the OP, wants CLEAN, Nutrient dense, calorie dense foods.
WMS and RG/Gainers/shakes period are not nutrient dense. they are only calorie dense.
and even at 6000 calories a day, I would debate back that yes, you can get those calories w/o wt gain shakes or carb replacements...it can be accomplished with whole foods soley.
clean whole foods? how would one go about this with a good ole 9-5 and again thanks for keeping this civil I'm here to learn.
simpleguy
05-31-08, 3:18 pm
the problem is bro, waxy maize is really like sugar idk how to put it for you... why would you eat sugar and consider it a 'clean' source of cals?
bobbymart
05-31-08, 3:18 pm
ok so iv been struggling a bit to find out what to eat to get the best amount of calories, that are as clean as possible..
i thought we could have a list set up. lets see foods listed beside its estimated amount of calories.
also he states clean as possible with high caloric content nothing about nutrient dense.
bobbymart
05-31-08, 3:20 pm
the problem is bro, waxy maize is really like sugar idk how to put it for you... why would you eat sugar and consider it a 'clean' source of cals?
it is more complex than sugar come on simpleguy you know this there are diffrences between all types of carbs / sugars
simpleguy
05-31-08, 3:26 pm
it is more complex than sugar come on simpleguy you know this there are diffrences between all types of carbs / sugars
I'm not saying any more cause pretty soon one of the watchmen would point out I'm not debating, that I'm trying to piss you off...
anyway, ask any pro you want to, wms is meant to be used post w/o due to the insulin spike it produces, but not at other times of the day
bobbymart
05-31-08, 3:30 pm
I'm not saying any more cause pretty soon one of the watchmen would point out I'm not debating, that I'm trying to piss you off...
anyway, ask any pro you want to, wms is meant to be used post w/o due to the insulin spike it produces, but not at other times of the day
I am looking for information you are not trying to piss me off i'm just curious I do realise that it spike insulin however I knwo that the more complex the carb the slower and more sustained the insulin spike and insulin is a highly anabolic hormone with a high protien diet those insulin spikes can be extremely benneficial in puting on mass along with a clean diet and plenty of hard training I used to use pure malodextrin as my acrb source for shakes however switched to WMS due to is higher molecular weight. again everyone here is keeping this very informative and civil.
simpleguy
05-31-08, 3:33 pm
well that is true, but I will only do what you are doing as an extreme source when my bulk has really stopped... actually if I get to that point, I'd probably go on a cut, because doing what you are doing, I would definitely put on much fat (probably too much) along with that muscle
bobbymart
05-31-08, 3:35 pm
I agree it is not for everyone but I train very hard cardio wise and also cross train mma so I def need the carbs and I dont put on much fat. thanks again for the friendly debate and info.
adidamps2
05-31-08, 3:40 pm
also he states clean as possible with high caloric content nothing about nutrient dense.
it has to do with the food's you choose to eat and if you believe in high frequency eating or not too, I can accomplish a 6000 calorie diet with roughyl 5 meals a day, with maybe a shake thrown in there for convienence and or PO, however the shake would be a mix of whole foods and a protein powder, not a commercial wt gainer.
however how I diet and how you diet may not see eye to eye. I don't believe in all that carb shit, and mainly focus on the 2 most calorie dense, sustance filling, macro's one can eat. FAT and PROTEIN, with these 2 macro's as my primary calorie/fuel source, I can accomplish a lot more calorie wise than those who prefer to shun fat in place of carbs...also alot of the most high fat foods (not fast food shit or other man made processed garbage either), tend to be the most micro dense as well.
just look at
whole eggs
lamb
organ meat
avocados
coconuts
beef (ideally moderately fatty cuts)
nuts
salmon/fatty fish
thats a lot of calories in those foods and all of them slammed full of nutrients...
simpleguy
05-31-08, 3:43 pm
hey adidamps I know you are using a keto diet, and that one can even gain muscle on a keto... but honestly, whether we're talking scientifically or just a basic talk, don't you think one can gain better with carbs rather than without them ?
adidamps2
05-31-08, 3:49 pm
hey adidamps I know you are using a keto diet, and that one can even gain muscle on a keto... but honestly, whether we're talking scientifically or just a basic talk, don't you think one can gain better with carbs rather than without them ?
the name of the game is cals in vs cal out.
we all can agree on that..well atleast i hope so.
so if that is the case, if we both need, say for example, 6K calories to gain wt, as long as we are both hitting 6K ed, IMO, it doesn't matter at that point. now we could argue/debate what those cals are made of (the twinkie diet is a good arguement here for this). However, in the end, as long as you are eating more than you are expending you will gain wt.
bobbymart
05-31-08, 3:50 pm
it has to do with the food's you choose to eat and if you believe in high frequency eating or not too, I can accomplish a 6000 calorie diet with roughyl 5 meals a day, with maybe a shake thrown in there for convienence and or PO, however the shake would be a mix of whole foods and a protein powder, not a commercial wt gainer.
however how I diet and how you diet may not see eye to eye. I don't believe in all that carb shit, and mainly focus on the 2 most calorie dense, sustance filling, macro's one can eat. FAT and PROTEIN, with these 2 macro's as my primary calorie/fuel source, I can accomplish a lot more calorie wise than those who prefer to shun fat in place of carbs...also alot of the most high fat foods (not fast food shit or other man made processed garbage either), tend to be the most micro dense as well.
just look at
whole eggs
lamb
organ meat
avocados
coconuts
beef (ideally moderately fatty cuts)
nuts
salmon/fatty fish
thats a lot of calories in those foods and all of them slammed full of nutrients...
I did the whole KETO thing and lost tones of weight gained a bit of muscle my MACROS were perfect so trust me you are telling me nothing new I know about good fats and how the body can use that as an energy source however the part where we do not see eye to eye (wich is perfectly fine we all have diff. ways of doing things) is that during the off season / bulk (anytime other than cutting) carbs can be a vital part of the mass gaining game those insulin spikes are a great way to put on quality size if you have a clean diet.
simpleguy
05-31-08, 3:51 pm
the name of the game is cals in vs cal out.
we all can agree on that..well atleast i hope so.
so if that is the case, if we both need, say for example, 6K calories to gain wt, as long as we are both hitting 6K ed, IMO, it doesn't matter at that point. now we could argue/debate what those cals are made of (the twinkie diet is a good arguement here for this). However, in the end, as long as you are eating more than you are expending you will gain wt.
please bro, I'm talking gaining muscle weight... and I'm sure you are aware it's not only cals in vs cals out
bobbymart
05-31-08, 3:53 pm
the name of the game is cals in vs cal out.
we all can agree on that..well atleast i hope so.
so if that is the case, if we both need, say for example, 6K calories to gain wt, as long as we are both hitting 6K ed, IMO, it doesn't matter at that point. now we could argue/debate what those cals are made of (the twinkie diet is a good arguement here for this). However, in the end, as long as you are eating more than you are expending you will gain wt.
agreed. how I like to look at it is what do you want that weight to be made of... then eat accordingly.
adidamps2
05-31-08, 3:58 pm
please bro, I'm talking gaining muscle weight... and I'm sure you are aware it's not only cals in vs cals out
yes, we both are.
however fat is an energy source used for everything the body needs, including hormaone production
protein much the same as fat in this regard.
the differnce is with carbs you gain water wt. and thats the biggest differnce i can see here. at the end of a bulk who will look "puffier", the guy who bulked on fat/pro or the guy who bulk on carb/pro. so when it comes time to cut, who is going to be cutting more wt?
the guy with more water wt and who most likely also ended up with excess fat stores from excessive carb consumption. now I am not saying the guy who ate fat/pro will not gain fat wt, but it will not be the same. 1st protein and fat are used for way more things than carbs alone. carbs basically have one function, energy. protein and fat have a plethera of jobs on top of providing energy..so its less likely, IMO, that during a bulk the excess fat/pro will get used as fat energy stores. but thats just my opinion.
simpleguy
05-31-08, 4:01 pm
all what you said is true... fat plays a critical role in hormone production... and carbs are not even essential, I know
but the magic stuff I'm talking about is insulin bro
adidamps2
05-31-08, 4:07 pm
all what you said is true... fat plays a critical role in hormone production... and carbs are not even essential, I know
but the magic stuff I'm talking about is insulin bro
yes, and in a body lacking insulin, it has an increase lvl of HGH, and an increase in HGH leads to an increase in IGF, which is essentially the same thing as isulin, IIRC.
also take into cinsideration, foods like whole eggs, and whole milk have high insulingentic properties, and I am by no means excluding carbs...if/when bulking I woul ddefinetly utilize my morning meal and/or PO meal with carbs I concider good building blocks and qualify as nutrient dense (liek fruit and honey...LOL) and lets nto forget the cheat meal/days, guys!
that meal/day of cheating still fills/falls into the cal in vs cal out profile of bulk/cut mentality.
bobbymart
05-31-08, 4:07 pm
yes, we both are.
however fat is an energy source used for everything the body needs, including hormaone production
protein much the same as fat in this regard.
the differnce is with carbs you gain water wt. and thats the biggest differnce i can see here. at the end of a bulk who will look "puffier", the guy who bulked on fat/pro or the guy who bulk on carb/pro. so when it comes time to cut, who is going to be cutting more wt?
the guy with more water wt and who most likely also ended up with excess fat stores from excessive carb consumption. now I am not saying the guy who ate fat/pro will not gain fat wt, but it will not be the same. 1st protein and fat are used for way more things than carbs alone. carbs basically have one function, energy. protein and fat have a plethera of jobs on top of providing energy..so its less likely, IMO, that during a bulk the excess fat/pro will get used as fat energy stores. but thats just my opinion.
I kinda see what you are saying but water retension, it depends on the carb source with something like WMS the molecular weight is so much heavier it will pull water with it as it pases thru you're stomach and I look more vascular than ever when using it even more vascular than 16 weeks of keto got me, insulin is a much more anabolic hormone that fat.
bobbymart
05-31-08, 4:08 pm
yes, and in a body lacking insulin, it has an increase lvl of HGH, and an increase in HGH leads to an increase in IGF, which is essentially the same thing as isulin, IIRC.
also take into cinsideration, foods like whole eggs, and whole milk have high insulingentic properties, and I am by no means excluding carbs...if/when bulking I woul ddefinetly utilize my morning meal and/or PO meal with carbs I concider good building blocks and qualify as nutrient dense (liek fruit and honey...LOL) and lets nto forget the cheat meal/days, guys!
that meal/day of cheating still fills/falls into the cal in vs cal out profile of bulk/cut mentality.
you can achieve the same levels of hgh and igf 1 by eating the proper amount of red meat.
adidamps2
05-31-08, 4:09 pm
you can achieve the same levels of hgh and igf 1 by eating the proper amount of red meat.
thats what I am saying?
simpleguy
05-31-08, 4:13 pm
yes, and in a body lacking insulin, it has an increase lvl of HGH, and an increase in HGH leads to an increase in IGF, which is essentially the same thing as isulin, IIRC.
also take into cinsideration, foods like whole eggs, and whole milk have high insulingentic properties, and I am by no means excluding carbs...if/when bulking I woul ddefinetly utilize my morning meal and/or PO meal with carbs I concider good building blocks and qualify as nutrient dense (liek fruit and honey...LOL) and lets nto forget the cheat meal/days, guys!
that meal/day of cheating still fills/falls into the cal in vs cal out profile of bulk/cut mentality.
I think in the end it all goes down to one's specific goal and body type, we are different, I know carbs bloat me as hell, but at the same time they aid greatly in recovery (and of course growth)... don't take my word, have a huge pizza tonight and have some oreos with milk later... you'll see your muscle recover waayyy faster...
btw, I know you're on a keto and you probably don't do this since it might knock you out of it, but you gotta try it sometime, have one day where you eat a huuuge amount of carbs and your muscles will recover really fast
bobbymart
05-31-08, 4:14 pm
sorry misread you'r post so to sum it all up carbs are for some not for all.
adidamps2
05-31-08, 4:20 pm
I think in the end it all goes down to one's specific goal and body type, we are different, I know carbs bloat me as hell, but at the same time they aid greatly in recovery (and of course growth)... don't take my word, have a huge pizza tonight and have some oreos with milk later... you'll see your muscle recover waayyy faster...
btw, I know you're on a keto and you probably don't do this since it might knock you out of it, but you gotta try it sometime, have one day where you eat a huuuge amount of carbs and your muscles will recover really fast
lol, bro I yesterday I had oatmeal pancakes with natural jelly and real maple syrup, later I had home made sourdough bread giantic ass sandwich, and then finished the night off with a med thin crust pizza hut pizza and side of wings...like I said I use my cheat days!
sorry misread you'r post so to sum it all up carbs are for some not for all.
my whole point is, that there are plenty of calorie dense, nutrient dense foods out side of almost purely calorie dense foods.
which brings me back to the OP question of what foods fit that bill.
and IMO it is not wt gainers or carb replacement powders.
it would be those foods in which I posted on page one here, and soem of the other whole foods posted by others.
bobbymart
05-31-08, 4:31 pm
my whole point is, that there are plenty of calorie dense, nutrient dense foods out side of almost purely calorie dense foods.
which brings me back to the OP question of what foods fit that bill.
and IMO it is not wt gainers or carb replacement powders.
it would be those foods in which I posted on page one here, and soem of the other whole foods posted by others.
tru but if he want's to get clean high calorie food quickly realgains (the cleanest gainer on the market) with a complex carb powder fit's the bill and it is clean because now matter how you put it in most people's opinion complex carbs are clean.
adidamps2
05-31-08, 4:37 pm
tru but if he want's to get clean high calorie food quickly realgains (the cleanest gainer on the market) with a complex carb powder fit's the bill and it is clean because now matter how you put it in most people's opinion complex carbs are clean.
on this matter I will have to agree to disagree then my friend.
I am just not a fan of commercial wt gainers, regardless of the company that makes it.
if, if I am resorting to using a wt gainer it will be one in which I make myself. using a mixed protein pwder, liquid pasturized egg whites and other whole foods to fill in the carb source requirements...
bobbymart
05-31-08, 4:39 pm
on this matter I will have to agree to disagree then my friend.
I am just not a fan of commercial wt gainers, regardless of the company that makes it.
if, if I am resorting to using a wt gainer it will be one in which I make myself. using a mixed protein pwder, liquid pasturized egg whites and other whole foods to fill in the carb source requirements...
if it works for you then by all means do it... like everyone says what works for you may not work for me and vice versa. good conversation though and the amount of knowlage thrown around this thread is pretty impressive.
vgiordano
05-31-08, 5:08 pm
Is it fact or fiction that fats (dense fats) take the longest to break down to be used as energy, as opposed to proteins and carbs?
so much information........cant........understand........i t all...........
bobbymart
05-31-08, 7:06 pm
Is it fact or fiction that fats (dense fats) take the longest to break down to be used as energy, as opposed to proteins and carbs?
I think so that is why people say that fats are a better energy source than carbs because you're body uses more energy to break fat down in turn you are at an enhanced metabolic rate. correct me if I'm wrong
simpleguy
06-01-08, 1:01 am
Is it fact or fiction that fats (dense fats) take the longest to break down to be used as energy, as opposed to proteins and carbs?
no, it is a fact, fats take longer to break down... it's been thought for a long time that carbs are your main source of fuel, but actually the human body can run very well on fats... they break down steadily, as opposed to carbs
so much information........cant........understand........i t all...........
lol
simpleguy
06-01-08, 1:02 am
I think so that is why people say that fats are a better energy source than carbs because you're body uses more energy to break fat down in turn you are at an enhanced metabolic rate. correct me if I'm wrong
you are bro (sorry to say it), when saying it enhances your metabolic rate... of all the 3 macros, fats boost your metabolism the least
bobbymart
06-01-08, 10:49 am
you are bro (sorry to say it), when saying it enhances your metabolic rate... of all the 3 macros, fats boost your metabolism the least
COOL I WAS NOT SURE THANKS FOR THE INFO.
Simpleguy, Bobbymart, Adidamps2...this Is Not A Thread For Disussing Metabolism......it Is Ment To Be A List Of Foods That Can Be Used As Referance!!!!!!
bobbymart
06-01-08, 4:03 pm
Simpleguy, Bobbymart, Adidamps2...this Is Not A Thread For Disussing Metabolism......it Is Ment To Be A List Of Foods That Can Be Used As Referance!!!!!!
Well It takes a discussion of food in order to come up with a list for a reference and several lists/ideas have been posted, what one thinks is clean food another may not hence the discussion throughout this conversation several food types have been brought up that can also be used as a reference. I was just trying to help as was everyone that posted.
bobbymart
06-01-08, 4:07 pm
Well It takes a discussion of food in order to come up with a list for a reference and several lists/ideas have been posted, what one thinks is clean food another may not hence the discussion throughout this conversation several food types have been brought up that can also be used as a reference. I was just trying to help as was everyone that posted.
weeman It was not until another question was asked that we even began discussion of metabolism all previous posts were reguarding you'r first question... sorry to get off track.
Well It takes a discussion of food in order to come up with a list for a reference and several lists/ideas have been posted, what one thinks is clean food another may not hence the discussion throughout this conversation several food types have been brought up that can also be used as a reference. I was just trying to help as was everyone that posted.
helping is one thing...turning my thread into an argument is another. it doesnt take discussion to to simply note down a food and his caloric value!!
argue about metabolism in another thread!
bobbymart
06-01-08, 4:15 pm
helping is one thing...turning my thread into an argument is another. it doesnt take discussion to to simply note down a food and his caloric value!!
argue about metabolism in another thread!
listen man, no one was arguing and forums are just that a place for discussion we stayed on topic until another question was asked. no need to get an attitude especially when someone is being apalogetic and we were only answereing someone elses question about metabolism so chill out and be thankfull to everyone that posted an aswer to you'r question and again i'm sorry if this thread was of no help to you however you can probably learn alot form every post in here reguarding clean foods and what makes them clean foods.
listen man, no one was arguing and forums are just that a place for discussion we stayed on topic until another question was asked. no need to get an attitude especially when someone is being apalogetic and we were only answereing someone elses question about metabolism so chill out and be thankfull to everyone that posted an aswer to you'r question and again i'm sorry if this thread was of no help to you however you can probably learn alot form every post in here reguarding clean foods and what makes them clean foods.
am i getting an attitude?
didnt see you apologising!
and yes i am very grateful to the people that answered my question and put down a food and didnt argue about something completly unrelated.
bobbymart
06-01-08, 4:22 pm
it's all good man I did apologise I dont want to argue with you but when you put !!!!!! everywhere to me it comes off as attitude, sorry If i misunderstood what yo uwere trying to get across but it is what it is, if I can ever help you with anything just ask bro. good luck hope you find the food you need.
it's all good man I did apologise I dont want to argue with you but when you put !!!!!! everywhere to me it comes off as attitude, sorry If i misunderstood what yo uwere trying to get across but it is what it is, if I can ever help you with anything just ask bro. good luck hope you find the food you need.
cheers