Can someone critique my Keto Diet

[NJC_Manhattan]

Gentlemen,

Currently 6 feet, 190. I lift 2 hours a day 5 days a week and run everyday (3-5 miles) except Saturday. I take an omega blend, pak, cuts, whey, bcaa stak, Cq10, Garlic, and Calcium. I work about 70-80 hours a week, so most of my meals are at work.

Meal 1
3 egg white omlet, with 1/2 cup of unsalted turkey, 1/4 cup of baby spinach raw

Meal 2
1/2 cup of mixed raw almonds and raw walnuts

Meal 3
1/2 cup baby spinach, 1/4 cup grilled chicken, 1/8 cup artichoke hearts, 1 tbsp xtra virgin olive oil

Meal 4
Same as meal 2

Meal 5 (pre workout)
2 tbsp natty pb, 1 scoop *Pre Workout Supp*

Meal 6 (Post workout)
1 sccop whey, 1 can tuna

I drink around 1-1.5 gallons of water a day. I also have 2 large glasses of green tea plain, and, i know its bad, 2 diet sodas a day.

I am trying to maintain muscle mass, even grow, while cutting all the bullshit. I got cuts in my arms, chest, back, and legs (even got some calf veins... fucking finally), but my midsection is about as solid as my grandmother's bladder.

Thanks,
NJC

[krazyassmexican]

your meal number 2 needs protein
*Pre Workout Supp* is a big no on keto
*Pre Workout Supp* and pb is not a meal

your meal number six needs fat

i think you are gettin a bunch of carbs
you wont reach keto like that

all that runnin will make you lose lean mass

[JimmyZ]

What is your LBM?
Where is your fats in Meal 1?
Where is your pro in Meal 2 and 4?
Where is the rest of your protein in Meal 3?
No on the *Pre Workout Supp*, insulin spike will not let you go into keto.
Where is the rest of your pro in Meal 6?
Where is your fats in Meal 6?
Make sure the Whey you are on is Whey Isolate ONLY.
Diet sodas are ok as long as its Coke Zero or Pepsi Diet Max. The coke zero could be cherry or vanilla as well. The object here is NO Sugars and NO Carbs.

Once your LBM is figure'd out, do the calcs and get the same amount of pro's and fats per meal, every meal.

Cardio, keep it at 130bpm which is a brisk uphill walk and no higher. Do 30 mins for a couple weeks then when your fat loss starts to plateau, up it by 10 minutes.

[NJC_Manhattan]

your meal number 2 needs protein
*Pre Workout Supp* is a big no on keto
*Pre Workout Supp* and pb is not a meal

your meal number six needs fat

i think you are gettin a bunch of carbs
you wont reach keto like that

all that runnin will make you lose lean mass

The pre workout supp doesnt have any sugar in it or aspartame. What makes it a big no on keto?

[krazyassmexican]

The pre workout supp doesnt have any sugar in it or aspartame. What makes it a big no on keto?

Maltodextrin, if it had aspartame it would be cool but you would still need protein

[adidamps2]

your meal number 2 needs protein
*Pre Workout Supp* is a big no on keto
*Pre Workout Supp* and pb is not a meal

your meal number six needs fat

i think you are gettin a bunch of carbs
you wont reach keto like that

all that runnin will make you lose lean mass


I would add about 5 uni-liver tabs to that meal 2 & 4, and call it good.

for meal six he just pop some fish oils or maybe add a tbls or 2 of Heavy whipping cream too it.

and the majority of his carbs are coming from fiber heavy greens..I think he should be fine that way, as far as reaching and maintaining ketosis goes.

but good calls over all.

[ROC1291]

bodyweight - 195lbs
bodyfat % - 14%
lbm - 168lbs

252g pro
112g fat

42g pro per meal
18g fat per meal

Meal 1 - 4 Whole Omega 3 Fortified Eggs, .75 scoop WPI
Meal 2 - 1.75 Scoops WPI, 2tbsp Natty PB or 1.25 tbsp evoo
Meal 3 - 6 oz chicken breast, 1 cup broc chopped, 1/3 cup raw almonds
Meal 4 - Same as 2
Meal 5 - 7 oz Salmon, 1.5 Cup Leafy Green Mix (Do I need a serving of fats with the salmon? I'm figuring the filet of salmon to contain anywhere from 14g-18g of fat)
Meal 6 - Repeat 2+4

My only other question on the diet besides the one posted with meal 5 was... Do I need to use natty pb in my shakes for the fiberous carb sources or can I mix it up with the evoo and natty pb?

Supplements
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Pak - 1 a day with breakfast
Nitro - 2 on workout days, 1 on off days before sleep
Omega - 1 a day with chicken (can't afford more, this shits expensive!)
Cuts - 2 a day before cardio and before lunch
Pump - 1 a day

Training
--------

I've heard different opinions on this...
Some people say to keep reps to heavy weight and about 8-6 reps, but Ox has said to train the same year round.
I usually train higher volume nowadays, around 10-12 reps on working sets.

[ROC1291]

bump

[JimmyZ]

Roc, I would say you don't have to use the natty pb in your shakes because of the greens you are getting with meal 3 and meal 5. As far as meal 5 and the fats, I'd say no evoo on this one because of the fats in the salmon like you thought. Have you looked up the salmon on fitday? I would also try and get more whole foods in there, instead of three shakes. I would do the higher reps for work outs too on keto. I'd be interested in keeping the size which high reps will help with.

[krazyassmexican]

three shakes and three whole foods is good, honestly i would go for a lean meat instead of the salmon, why?

it is hard to know the real fat content, the farm raised salmon is basically shitty,
6oz of chicken equals to more than just 42grams of protein, go for 5.5oz

train the same way you did on the offseasson
dont get trapped on the whole 15reps for definition myth

1cup of broccoli and then another serving of veggies is a lot of carbs
i know someone is gonna come to tell me that is fibrous carbs blah blah, but if you wanna use broccoli go for 1/2 cup and no more veggies

[Shaffer_515]

1cup of broccoli and then another serving of veggies is a lot of carbs
i know someone is gonna come to tell me that is fibrous carbs blah blah, but if you wanna use broccoli go for 1/2 cup and no more veggies


HAHAHAH thats awesome dude!...you know what your talkin bout!

[krazyassmexican]

HAHAHAH thats awesome dude!...you know what your talkin bout!

i dont know if that was sarcasm but even if you disscount carbs from fiber you still get net carbs, they all get acommulated, from nuts, pb, veggies etc etc.... you dont wanna carb up

[Shaffer_515]

i dont know if that was sarcasm but even if you disscount carbs from fiber you still get net carbs, they all get acommulated, from nuts, pb, veggies etc etc.... you dont wanna carb up

No not sarcasm man i was just giving you props for giving the right advice even if some one will tell you its wrong. I dont use keto but I understand the principals of it and what you mentioned is correct.

[Maiden69]

Your advise is sound, but I think that you are goping overkill on the carbs. 30 g a day is all I'm taking, and most come from the nt pb, veggies and fiber supp. His intake on that day is less than 25g, not even taking the fiber away. And broccoli got 5 per serving, with 1/2 of them from fiber.

I'm following the Anabolic diet, like the one that Hola Bola is doing right now, and it is almost a twin of the Keto, with the exeption that it takes more fat than Keto, still carb intake is identical. The problem comes with the type of carbs that you take in, especially on the cheat day (for us 24-48 hrs carb up, for Keto I think is a meal, but most sites I have visited advise on a day re-feed).

[krazyassmexican]

Your advise is sound, but I think that you are goping overkill on the carbs. 30 g a day is all I'm taking, and most come from the nt pb, veggies and fiber supp. His intake on that day is less than 25g, not even taking the fiber away. And broccoli got 5 per serving, with 1/2 of them from fiber.

I'm following the Anabolic diet, like the one that Hola Bola is doing right now, and it is almost a twin of the Keto, with the exeption that it takes more fat than Keto, still carb intake is identical. The problem comes with the type of carbs that you take in, especially on the cheat day (for us 24-48 hrs carb up, for Keto I think is a meal, but most sites I have visited advise on a day re-feed).

anabolic diet. ketogenic diet and low carb, high protein, medium healthy fat diets sound the same but are different

[RenegadeRows]

now Im not really gonna get into the meat of this discussion but just to throw in some info over here, I was browsing the "ask dave palumbo" section on the MD forum and someone asked how many carbs he could take in when on a keto, dave told him 50gms a day. My 2 cents

[Ajack]

6'0" 190!? Man keep putting on more weight! And working 70-80 a week, and training 2 hour a day and then running 3-5 miles? Are your days like 36 hours long? Here's what you do...

Stop worrying about cutting, cut your workout down to an hour, pull a sled or do sprints, or kettlebells instead of running and for god sakes eat more!

[Gunz]

6'0" 190!? Man keep putting on more weight! And working 70-80 a week, and training 2 hour a day and then running 3-5 miles? Are your days like 36 hours long? Here's what you do...

Stop worrying about cutting, cut your workout down to an hour, pull a sled or do sprints, or kettlebells instead of running and for god sakes eat more!

as me and enforcer were discussing yesterday.. KETO is for people who have a serious base of muscle already... keep eating bro..

Step 1 get off keto diet
step 2 eat some carbs

[Enforcer]

as me and enforcer were discussing yesterday.. KETO is for people who have a serious base of muscle already... keep eating bro..

Step 1 get off keto diet
step 2 eat some carbs

HOLLA

[ROC1291]

youre referring to a complete different person here... but krazy, ive been in keto before and the veggies i have are fine for me. i was also doing the salmon and the natty pb not the evoo and the carbs were ok for me.

i will occasionally mix up the salmon and red meat but i will be ok with what i have. i just needed someone to check it for me.

[Roland]

as me and enforcer were discussing yesterday.. KETO is for people who have a serious base of muscle already... keep eating bro..

Step 1 get off keto diet
step 2 eat some carbs

THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Finally someone says it! I'm tired of seeing all these guys 180-190 skinny trying to "cut down", really I am. Why do you want to cut down if you don't even have a solid base yet...it takes time to build a solid base a long time...Please, get to eating some and have something to CUT from before you start this kind of diet. I had to say it.

[krazyassmexican]

THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Finally someone says it! I'm tired of seeing all these guys 180-190 skinny trying to "cut down", really I am. Why do you want to cut down if you don't even have a solid base yet...it takes time to build a solid base a long time...Please, get to eating some and have something to CUT from before you start this kind of diet. I had to say it.

i understand your points guys but not everyone has the same goals
there are people that want to be freaks and there are people that wanna be skinny

[ROC1291]

THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Finally someone says it! I'm tired of seeing all these guys 180-190 skinny trying to "cut down", really I am. Why do you want to cut down if you don't even have a solid base yet...it takes time to build a solid base a long time...Please, get to eating some and have something to CUT from before you start this kind of diet. I had to say it.

Say what you would like, personally... I know I am a bodybuilder and you either look good or you don't. I'm not asking to maintain abs 365 days a year, but I would like to see what I've got. We aren't suppose to mention gray areas of this sport, but you know guys "prime" their bodies before they go on bulks and different cycles. It is much easier to gain muscle at a bodyfat level of 8-9% than it is at 14%. Secondly, I feel mighty uncomfortable walking around out of shape even though people who are my friends know how passionate I am about "bodybuilding".

I've always been self-concious of my midsection and I am ready to get rid of that now. I can't keep bulking or I'm never going to be able to get down to lower than a 34 inch waist. Trust me, the more you gain the harder it is to lose fat.

I'm doing it for 12-16 weeks, then I'm going to maintain the body I have achieved through keto for a couple of months. After that, my body should be primed and hungrier than ever to gain muscle. And at 17 years old, my gains will be pretty fucking awesome.

[krazyassmexican]

Say what you would like, personally... I know I am a bodybuilder and you either look good or you don't. I'm not asking to maintain abs 365 days a year, but I would like to see what I've got. We aren't suppose to mention gray areas of this sport, but you know guys "prime" their bodies before they go on bulks and different cycles. It is much easier to gain muscle at a bodyfat level of 8-9% than it is at 14%. Secondly, I feel mighty uncomfortable walking around out of shape even though people who are my friends know how passionate I am about "bodybuilding".

I've always been self-concious of my midsection and I am ready to get rid of that now. I can't keep bulking or I'm never going to be able to get down to lower than a 34 inch waist. Trust me, the more you gain the harder it is to lose fat.

I'm doing it for 12-16 weeks, then I'm going to maintain the body I have achieved through keto for a couple of months. After that, my body should be primed and hungrier than ever to gain muscle. And at 17 years old, my gains will be pretty fucking awesome.
great answer bro

[Enforcer]

Say what you would like, personally... I know I am a bodybuilder and you either look good or you don't. I'm not asking to maintain abs 365 days a year, but I would like to see what I've got. We aren't suppose to mention gray areas of this sport, but you know guys "prime" their bodies before they go on bulks and different cycles. It is much easier to gain muscle at a bodyfat level of 8-9% than it is at 14%. Secondly, I feel mighty uncomfortable walking around out of shape even though people who are my friends know how passionate I am about "bodybuilding".

I've always been self-concious of my midsection and I am ready to get rid of that now. I can't keep bulking or I'm never going to be able to get down to lower than a 34 inch waist. Trust me, the more you gain the harder it is to lose fat.

I'm doing it for 12-16 weeks, then I'm going to maintain the body I have achieved through keto for a couple of months. After that, my body should be primed and hungrier than ever to gain muscle. And at 17 years old, my gains will be pretty fucking awesome.

Idk bro you sound more like a fitness model than a bodybuilder to me. Idk how you can be so out of shape at 17. You are a baby in this sport. The only way you are getting fat is if you are doing the typical high school thing and sucking down shit fast food everyday. If you are eating clean, training hard, and doing moderate cardio there is no way you are adding tons of fat to your body. Yeah you might put some fat on but that is what cardio is for. Idk how many times I have to say it- YOU HAVE TO LAY THE FOUNDATION FIRST. For all of you people who want to be so much like OX, why don't you do a little research about him first and you will learn that he gained as much muscle as he possibly could before he ever even thought about cutting down. LEARN IT. Good luck with keto, lemme know if ur bench goes up at all or you put on any more muscle.

[Gunz]

Good luck lemme know if ur bench goes up at all or you put on any more muscle

yea man let me know how your gains go... to each his own bro

[Roland]

Say what you would like, personally... I know I am a bodybuilder and you either look good or you don't. I'm not asking to maintain abs 365 days a year, but I would like to see what I've got. We aren't suppose to mention gray areas of this sport, but you know guys "prime" their bodies before they go on bulks and different cycles. It is much easier to gain muscle at a bodyfat level of 8-9% than it is at 14%. Secondly, I feel mighty uncomfortable walking around out of shape even though people who are my friends know how passionate I am about "bodybuilding".

I've always been self-concious of my midsection and I am ready to get rid of that now. I can't keep bulking or I'm never going to be able to get down to lower than a 34 inch waist. Trust me, the more you gain the harder it is to lose fat.

I'm doing it for 12-16 weeks, then I'm going to maintain the body I have achieved through keto for a couple of months. After that, my body should be primed and hungrier than ever to gain muscle. And at 17 years old, my gains will be pretty fucking awesome.

Say what you would like, personally... I know I am a bodybuilder and you either look good or you don't. I'm not asking to maintain abs 365 days a year, but I would like to see what I've got. We aren't suppose to mention gray areas of this sport, but you know guys "prime" their bodies before they go on bulks and different cycles. It is much easier to gain muscle at a bodyfat level of 8-9% than it is at 14%. Secondly, I feel mighty uncomfortable walking around out of shape even though people who are my friends know how passionate I am about "bodybuilding".

I've always been self-concious of my midsection and I am ready to get rid of that now. I can't keep bulking or I'm never going to be able to get down to lower than a 34 inch waist. Trust me, the more you gain the harder it is to lose fat.

I'm doing it for 12-16 weeks, then I'm going to maintain the body I have achieved through keto for a couple of months. After that, my body should be primed and hungrier than ever to gain muscle. And at 17 years old, my gains will be pretty fucking awesome.

How are you fat at 195lbs and 13% bodyfat?

[adidamps2]

Good luck with keto, lemme know if ur bench goes up at all or you put on any more muscle.
are you trying to imply that one can not gain muscle or increase the wt of lifts while keto type dieting?

[Enforcer]

are you trying to imply that one can not gain muscle or increase the wt of lifts while keto type dieting?

Yup

[Shaffer_515]

How are you fat at 195lbs and 13% bodyfat?

haha seriously I was gettin cut up 14 weeks out of contest at 185 at 13%...that aint fat...I am coming down from 215 with 21% at my peak of the offseason...THATS FAT!

[adidamps2]

Yup

then you'd be full of shit.
as I can attest for my own lifts and musclure increases while on keto. keto does not mean one automatically loses msucle and can't make gains on the olympic bar.

[Enforcer]

then you'd be full of shit.
as I can attest for my own lifts and musclure increases while on keto. keto does not mean one automatically loses msucle and can't make gains on the olympic bar.

Though you may be able to gain minimally, in the long run you could be hurting yourself. You maximum gains can achieved with a balanced diet of proteins, CARBS, and fats.

[Gunz]

Though you may be able to gain minimally, in the long run you could be hurting yourself. You maximum gains can achieved with a balanced diet of proteins, CARBS, and fats.

BOOOOOOOM!!! there it is... SOUNDS FAMALIAR enforcer..

In addition i think along the way we've lost sight of what the keto diet and a regular lean bodybuilding diet is all about... it sounds like you either NEVER eat carbs or your shoving them down your throat.. theres a middle ground here fellas.. you can be LOW carb (under 100 a day) or even carb cycle and still make gains AND stay lean.... lets not get caught up in the "you're wrong.. no you're wrong" game.... theres a middle ground here.. and ya know what?!?! some people will do it there way no matter what advice they get... sometimes you have to figure things our for yourself in life...

[adidamps2]

Though you may be able to gain minimally, in the long run you could be hurting yourself. You maximum gains can achieved with a balanced diet of proteins, CARBS, and fats.

"Could" one "Could" cause them selves to be diatbetic too from eatting too many carbs on a bulk...but you don't see us running intot he diet sections yelling "Fire" do you.

lets also put it this way, "Your" maxium gains may be achieved with a balanced diet. Mine however has come from a keto based, carb controlled, diet, were I gained muscle mass/dropped unwanted fat/pushed more wt/increased my endurance

[adidamps2]

anabolic diet. ketogenic diet and low carb, high protein, medium healthy fat diets sound the same but are different
most are the same in concept, just differnt in approach.

[simpleguy]

THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Finally someone says it! I'm tired of seeing all these guys 180-190 skinny trying to "cut down", really I am. Why do you want to cut down if you don't even have a solid base yet...it takes time to build a solid base a long time...Please, get to eating some and have something to CUT from before you start this kind of diet. I had to say it.

when you're at 35%bf, your priority is the gut, believe me

[adidamps2]

when you're at 35%bf, your priority is the gut, believe me

and that flabby tit look! that creases up under the arm into the arm pit area...

[Roland]

when you're at 35%bf, your priority is the gut, believe me

That's different bro, THEN it is of course better to cut down first and then build on a lean body, but we are talking about skinny guys already here. Don't misunderstand.

[Ajack]

n/m do what you want.

[simpleguy]

That's different bro, THEN it is of course better to cut down first and then build on a lean body, but we are talking about skinny guys already here. Don't misunderstand.

gotcha bro, but you can be fat at 190lb... if one's lbm is 130 and he's 190lb, then you can say about that person that he's fat - skinny fat, but still probably hangin around 30%bf or so

Trust me, the more you gain the harder it is to lose fat.


yup...

seems so easy to say 'I'm bulking now, I'm gonna trim the fat later'... when you'll be dieting your ass off and doing 2hrs of cardio a day, feeling sore, hungry and probably moody you'll regret some things from your offseason, I guarantee you

[Enforcer]

"Could" one "Could" cause them selves to be diatbetic too from eatting too many carbs on a bulk...but you don't see us running intot he diet sections yelling "Fire" do you.

lets also put it this way, "Your" maxium gains may be achieved with a balanced diet. Mine however has come from a keto based, carb controlled, diet, were I gained muscle mass/dropped unwanted fat/pushed more wt/increased my endurance

Yeah and I guess with my diet I'll be 250, have low body fat, a shit load of muscle, and push more weight then you could ever count in your life while hitting cardio 4 days a week.

[adidamps2]

Yeah and I guess with my diet I'll be 250, have low body fat, a shit load of muscle, and push more weight then you could ever count in your life while hitting cardio 4 days a week.

yeah, but at least with my diet I can jump over building in a single bound, run faster than a locomotive and will be stronger than 15 men!!!!

again I will say it, a Keto type diet does not mean, one can not drop fat, put on muscle and increase wt lifted.

its still about cals in vs. cals out.

[stro6531]

yeah, but at least with my diet I can jump over building in a single bound, run faster than a locomotive and will be stronger than 15 men!!!!

again I will say it, a Keto type diet does not mean, one can not drop fat, put on muscle and increase wt lifted.

its still about cals in vs. cals out.

hahaha are u wearing a cape again bro.......... i thought they told u to stop that!

[adidamps2]

hahaha are u wearing a cape again bro.......... i thought they told u to stop that!

no just a speedo!

[stro6531]

no just a speedo!

either way...its frowned upon

[simpleguy]

I think this thread is going off-topic... the way I see it, everybody is different... and carbs will always be something you can not set in stone, because different people respond different to them

maybe Enforcer can eat 400gr of carbs a day and stay fairly lean and that turns me into a fat slob... and I'm not lying when saying I have a friend who drinks 4 liters of coke a day, giving him exactly 440gr of sugar... that's a pound of sugar per day... besides his regular sweets, bread, pasta... and know what? he has a 6-pack

so I think it's useless to go on with this... Enforcer knows his body responds good to rather high carbs... doesn't mean mine, krazy's or adidamps does... do what works for you, whether it means taking in 500gr of carbs or 0

end of the story...

[adidamps2]

I think this thread is going off-topic... the way I see it, everybody is different... and carbs will always be something you can not set in stone, because different people respond different to them

maybe Enforcer can eat 400gr of carbs a day and stay fairly lean and that turns me into a fat slob... and I'm not lying when saying I have a friend who drinks 4 liters of coke a day, giving him exactly 440gr of sugar... that's a pound of sugar per day... besides his regular sweets, bread, pasta... and know what? he has a 6-pack

so I think it's useless to go on with this... Enforcer knows his body responds good to rather high carbs... doesn't mean mine, krazy's or adidamps does... do what works for you, whether it means taking in 500gr of carbs or 0

end of the story...


well put!

[ROC1291]

Yeah and I guess with my diet I'll be 250, have low body fat, a shit load of muscle, and push more weight then you could ever count in your life while hitting cardio 4 days a week.

Oh well. I definitely feel like there's some unaccounted for cockiness here that might be totally off topic. All I asked for was a ketogenic diet critique, not anybody's opinions on whether or not I might be fat. I know my body, and I know what I want to look like. Let me stress how important this is.

This is something I want to do, not something you ever have to do. I don't feel comfortable with myself eating a surplus of calories and having a shit body at the end of the day. When my body is primed at the end of this cut, I will be ready to gain muscle and my body will be used to operating with a lower bodyfat level. This will result in maximum lean gains without having to stave off extra bodyfat.

Do you know how disappointing it is hearing about other 17 year olds who have been lifting just as long, don't work nearly as hard, and barely give a fuck about their diets, gaining 30 lbs in a single year? All these kids were skinny fucks. When my body is primed I will be able to suck down real gains twice a day and other carbs... when I am ready for that.

Again, I don't need to hear anybody's opinions. This is what I have chose to do. All I asked for was a simple critique of my diet from some knowledgable people and only two brothers gave me that. If you've never tried keto I don't wanna see you posting. If you wanna debate keto I'll gladly start another thread. Shit, we can even go up to an abc and have a meet about that.

But looking like Ox? Come on now. I Know thats unrealistic at my age. But didn't you remember the part where he said he was into working out, but started running nonstop and starving himself til he was a skinny bastard? Thats how you maximize your gains. Im not going to do it the wrong way, I'm going to maintain my lbm of 168 (maybe lose a few from muscle) and look good, primed, and ready to maximize my gains. And I'll feel good doing it.

Thanks for the two forvm brothers who critiqued my shit. This threads done.

[Roland]

Oh well. I definitely feel like there's some unaccounted for cockiness here that might be totally off topic. All I asked for was a ketogenic diet critique, not anybody's opinions on whether or not I might be fat. I know my body, and I know what I want to look like. Let me stress how important this is.

This is something I want to do, not something you ever have to do. I don't feel comfortable with myself eating a surplus of calories and having a shit body at the end of the day. When my body is primed at the end of this cut, I will be ready to gain muscle and my body will be used to operating with a lower bodyfat level. This will result in maximum lean gains without having to stave off extra bodyfat.

Do you know how disappointing it is hearing about other 17 year olds who have been lifting just as long, don't work nearly as hard, and barely give a fuck about their diets, gaining 30 lbs in a single year? All these kids were skinny fucks. When my body is primed I will be able to suck down real gains twice a day and other carbs... when I am ready for that.

Again, I don't need to hear anybody's opinions. This is what I have chose to do. All I asked for was a simple critique of my diet from some knowledgable people and only two brothers gave me that. If you've never tried keto I don't wanna see you posting. If you wanna debate keto I'll gladly start another thread. Shit, we can even go up to an abc and have a meet about that.

But looking like Ox? Come on now. I Know thats unrealistic at my age. But didn't you remember the part where he said he was into working out, but started running nonstop and starving himself til he was a skinny bastard? Thats how you maximize your gains. Im not going to do it the wrong way, I'm going to maintain my lbm of 168 (maybe lose a few from muscle) and look good, primed, and ready to maximize my gains. And I'll feel good doing it.

Thanks for the two forvm brothers who critiqued my shit. This threads done.

Relax guy. First of all, why not post if I haven't tried keto...that doesn't mean that I am not knowledgable on it, matter of fact my diet right now is consisted of alot of fats, like a keto diet, but I add carbs around the workout (first 3 meals usually, than last 3 is pro/fats). BUt do you see me going around posting keto this keto that? No, I have been quiet but it's getting annoying now. So don't tell me or others not to post, WE ARE posting because we have a little experience in this game, trying to help you out. It seems like ever since OX started the Keto diet, krazy and all the guys just jumped on the bandwagon, and act like they are him, which is not cool. All i've seen lately is Keto keto keto keto...seems like everyones just jumping on it without thinking, hey, there's other diets out there that work as well not just keto. You can be doing cardio, eating big, and progressing with weights and still maintain or lose body fat. But it's you, you do what you want. WE gave you criticism, so don't get all offended and trying to be the bigger guy here. I'm sorry, keto is a good diet, but it should be done by those who arleady have a good amount of muscle mass, if you want to burn off everything you have to be skinny then go Run run run run and eat a little.

Second of all, you obviously don't know what you are talking about. You are saying OX maximized his gains by running non stop and starving himself, and that is good? Come on now brother, Ithink he even said that was stupid because he starved himself, i mean how could that be good for you? Obviously there is a lot of people on here that are just trying to do what the Pros do...you have to reevaulate yourself and your goals then come back on here and start fresh, do what you have to do, don't follow what a PRO is exactly doing, he is a PRO, you are not, things are gonna work different for him than you. Now don't get offended by this post, I have just seen a lot of bs on here lately and this is supposed to be a hardcore bodybuilding forum, not skinny guys doing keto or starving themselves to be even skinnier...do what you want to do, just open your eyes a little bit before you jump into things. THank you.

End of thread.

[ROC1291]

Relax guy. First of all, why not post if I haven't tried keto...that doesn't mean that I am not knowledgable on it, matter of fact my diet right now is consisted of alot of fats, like a keto diet, but I add carbs around the workout (first 3 meals usually, than last 3 is pro/fats). BUt do you see me going around posting keto this keto that? No, I have been quiet but it's getting annoying now. So don't tell me or others not to post, WE ARE posting because we have a little experience in this game, trying to help you out. It seems like ever since OX started the Keto diet, krazy and all the guys just jumped on the bandwagon, and act like they are him, which is not cool. All i've seen lately is Keto keto keto keto...seems like everyones just jumping on it without thinking, hey, there's other diets out there that work as well not just keto. You can be doing cardio, eating big, and progressing with weights and still maintain or lose body fat. But it's you, you do what you want. WE gave you criticism, so don't get all offended and trying to be the bigger guy here. I'm sorry, keto is a good diet, but it should be done by those who arleady have a good amount of muscle mass, if you want to burn off everything you have to be skinny then go Run run run run and eat a little.

Second of all, you obviously don't know what you are talking about. You are saying OX maximized his gains by running non stop and starving himself, and that is good? Come on now brother, Ithink he even said that was stupid because he starved himself, i mean how could that be good for you? Obviously there is a lot of people on here that are just trying to do what the Pros do...you have to reevaulate yourself and your goals then come back on here and start fresh, do what you have to do, don't follow what a PRO is exactly doing, he is a PRO, you are not, things are gonna work different for him than you. Now don't get offended by this post, I have just seen a lot of bs on here lately and this is supposed to be a hardcore bodybuilding forum, not skinny guys doing keto or starving themselves to be even skinnier...do what you want to do, just open your eyes a little bit before you jump into things. THank you.

End of thread.


End of thread my ass.
I appreciated being called skinny though... I didn't know 195 was skinny for a 17 year old.
I don't know many 17 year olds that can deadlift 325 for reps.

PS...
I've done a keto "preview" before and it worked alright for me. I've built my foundation for the past 2 years. It's time to prime.

I wanna take this keto thing the full stretch and see where it gets me. The only way you can learn in this game is through trial and motherfucking error. So let me trial and wait for the error.

If there ever is one.

[adidamps2]

It seems like ever since OX started the Keto diet, krazy and all the guys just jumped on the bandwagon, and act like they are him, which is not cool. All i've seen lately is Keto keto keto keto...seems like everyones just jumping on it without thinking, hey, there's other diets out there that work as well not just keto.

1st off I personally was on a Keto/paleolithical style diet well before I came to this board...Hell I was one of the 1st here who created a Keto thread unlike OX's and even the IF diet..and got shit for both...there is no OX/DP bandwagon here with me. just ask KAM if me and him see eye to eye on "keto".

second...last time I checked this is the "Methid to the Madness" forum...if you dont like seeing keto diet threads, simply click your ass right out of this forum and go back into the regular diet forum.

[REBORN1]

Though you may be able to gain minimally, in the long run you could be hurting yourself. You maximum gains can achieved with a balanced diet of proteins, CARBS, and fats.

BOOOOOOOM!!! there it is... SOUNDS FAMALIAR enforcer..

In addition i think along the way we've lost sight of what the keto diet and a regular lean bodybuilding diet is all about... it sounds like you either NEVER eat carbs or your shoving them down your throat.. theres a middle ground here fellas.. you can be LOW carb (under 100 a day) or even carb cycle and still make gains AND stay lean.... lets not get caught up in the "you're wrong.. no you're wrong" game.... theres a middle ground here.. and ya know what?!?! some people will do it there way no matter what advice they get... sometimes you have to figure things our for yourself in life...

i usually dont say too much in other threads than my own, but i gotta agree with enforcer and gunz here, keto seems to be a fad that everyone wants to be a part of, i hear tons of guys who are 160lbs soaking wet that want to get cut up, im proof that using carb cycling and or low amounts of carbs (lowest at 75g-125 highest) can help decrease bodyfat and increase strength, you need a big fucking base before you can show off the muscle

[ROC1291]

i usually dont say too much in other threads than my own, but i gotta agree with enforcer and gunz here, keto seems to be a fad that everyone wants to be a part of, i hear tons of guys who are 160lbs soaking wet that want to get cut up, im proof that using carb cycling and or low amounts of carbs (lowest at 75g-125 highest) can help decrease bodyfat and increase strength, you need a big fucking base before you can show off the muscle

Two of my biggest pet peeves are people that are sloppy drunks and conversations that go in circles. we've got entirely too much of the latter going on here. I've paid my dues for two years thus far, and I'm telling you I will not stuff my body with food any longer to the point where I can't handle it.
125g of carbs has made me feel drowsy in the past, and keto has given a strength increase on deadlifts after only 4 weeks time. I feel better without food sometimes... or light food for that matter. Right now, my body is telling me I need to diet. And that's what I'm going to do. Carb cycling fucks with my mind too much, to the point where I've wanted to sleep for hours on end. I just cannot do it.

I have chosen to prime my body. Keto is not a fad for me, this is something I know I can get results from. If it makes anybody happy I'll post pics in November of what my base looks like.

[Gonz]

Two of my biggest pet peeves are people that are sloppy drunks and conversations that go in circles. we've got entirely too much of the latter going on here. I've paid my dues for two years thus far, and I'm telling you I will not stuff my body with food any longer to the point where I can't handle it.
125g of carbs has made me feel drowsy in the past, and keto has given a strength increase on deadlifts after only 4 weeks time. I feel better without food sometimes... or light food for that matter. Right now, my body is telling me I need to diet. And that's what I'm going to do. Carb cycling fucks with my mind too much, to the point where I've wanted to sleep for hours on end. I just cannot do it.

I have chosen to prime my body. Keto is not a fad for me, this is something I know I can get results from. If it makes anybody happy I'll post pics in November of what my base looks like.

A little late into this thread but I used to do Keto. Albeit I never stuck to it as good as I should, I ate very low carb, but usually didn't get in enough fats. I had a hard time getting it just right. I felt better though, but I'm doing the "Warrior Diet" right now and prefer that. I usually try to stick to 60-100g of carbs a day at best, it's easy to do so when you have a small window to eat all that stuff in. Why don't you do intermittent fasting for a few days to get your metabolism fired up again? Anyways I'm a fan of Keto, just never had the will to do it full force. I know it'll work, but for me the warrior diet works great. Good luck man. Don't worry about the nay sayers, everyone has something that works for them. Like mentioned above, some people can eat shit for breakfast lunch and dinner and be ripped like crazy, while others will have a slice of bread and gain 10lbs of fat. It sucks, but it's also fun to find out what works for you, and it's that much more rewarding when you get there. Good luck once again.

[IRBS]

End of thread my ass.
I appreciated being called skinny though... I didn't know 195 was skinny for a 17 year old.
I don't know many 17 year olds that can deadlift 325 for reps.

PS...
I've done a keto "preview" before and it worked alright for me. I've built my foundation for the past 2 years. It's time to prime.

I wanna take this keto thing the full stretch and see where it gets me. The only way you can learn in this game is through trial and motherfucking error. So let me trial and wait for the error.

If there ever is one.

If you guys dont stop the pissing match it will be the end of the thread, because I will gladly close it.

Having an intelligent discussion about the different facets Keto, and the effectiveness/ineffectiveness, is fine, but getting heated and pointing fingers is rediculous.

It amazes me how there is rarely ever a Keto thread that is, overall, productive. You always have to wade through the shit to find the nugget of good information.

My suggestion, is that if you have anymore questions about Keto, take it to PM's and ask those here who have a lot of experience with the diet and have had it work well for them. That way you get the good information that you need and none of this other BS.

Good luck, but remember, this is an internet forum, there is no need to get so heated, especially about a diet.......

[Maiden69]

If you guys dont stop the pissing match it will be the end of the thread, because I will gladly close it.

Having an intelligent discussion about the different facets Keto, and the effectiveness/ineffectiveness, is fine, but getting heated and pointing fingers is rediculous.

It amazes me how there is rarely ever a Keto thread that is, overall, productive. You always have to wade through the shit to find the nugget of good information.

My suggestion, is that if you have anymore questions about Keto, take it to PM's and ask those here who have a lot of experience with the diet and have had it work well for them. That way you get the good information that you need and none of this other BS.

Good luck, but remember, this is an internet forum, there is no need to get so heated, especially about a diet.......
I thought the same thing. I'm new to the site, and I wanted to get some solid info on Anabolic Diet/Keto and every thread I searched had the same problem. What I don't understand is WHY will some one that don't believe in that type of diet post on them? There are a lot of diets around, and none of them is either right or wrong. Not everyone acts to a diet the same way. A lot of people are just learning about it, but still they post like they are the authority on the subject, when they are still asking questions on other threads.
Let the individual try the diet, if it works for him good, if it doesn't it will be a learning experience (he is 17, plenty of time to experiment and learn by trial-error).

[krazyassmexican]

If you guys dont stop the pissing match it will be the end of the thread, because I will gladly close it.

Having an intelligent discussion about the different facets Keto, and the effectiveness/ineffectiveness, is fine, but getting heated and pointing fingers is rediculous.

It amazes me how there is rarely ever a Keto thread that is, overall, productive. You always have to wade through the shit to find the nugget of good information.

My suggestion, is that if you have anymore questions about Keto, take it to PM's and ask those here who have a lot of experience with the diet and have had it work well for them. That way you get the good information that you need and none of this other BS.

Good luck, but remember, this is an internet forum, there is no need to get so heated, especially about a diet.......

i honestly didnt appreciate the name callin, if i support the diet is because it is what worked for me, i never started in the gym weighting 110lbs

everybody wants us to "eat like animals" even thought they dont know our backgrounds, i dont act like no one since someone started posting here, i was a low carb dieter and took me no where and shit i still dont bash low carb diets, so imo it will be cool if they keep my name out and close this thread

[simpleguy]

everybody wants us to "eat like animals" even though they don't know our backgrounds

true that...

[IRBS]

i honestly didnt appreciate the name callin, if i support the diet is because it is what worked for me, i never started in the gym weighting 110lbs

everybody wants us to "eat like animals" even thought they dont know our backgrounds, i dont act like no one since someone started posting here, i was a low carb dieter and took me no where and shit i still dont bash low carb diets, so imo it will be cool if they keep my name out and close this thread

I dont think I called you any names krazy...so I dont know if this was directed at me or not, but whatever. My suggestion is to PM people if they have questions, or let them PM you. I also dont think I used your name at all in my post, again, I dont know if that was directed at me or not, either way it doesnt matter to me.

I just want you guys to clean up the Keto threads and stop with the pissing matches, its rediculous to get so heated over a diet thread on an internet forum...

I am not closing this thread right now, but if it continues to go downhill, then it will be closed.

[krazyassmexican]

I dont think I called you any names krazy...so I dont know if this was directed at me or not, but whatever. My suggestion is to PM people if they have questions, or let them PM you. I also dont think I used your name at all in my post, again, I dont know if that was directed at me or not, either way it doesnt matter to me.

I just want you guys to clean up the Keto threads and stop with the pissing matches, its rediculous to get so heated over a diet thread on an internet forum...

I am not closing this thread right now, but if it continues to go downhill, then it will be closed.

it wasnt directed to you

[Shaffer_515]

so to over view this thread a guy wanted some critique on his keto diet, some people offered some advice and some other people didnt agree...so people took offence and some people made some pretty good points. and some people didnt want to hear it, some are pretty knowledgable of this particular diet some arnt but say they are..so for the sake of answering to this thread


.................. is the thread creator going to keep the 1 cup of broc?

[IRBS]

it wasnt directed to you

Cool.

[Enforcer]

I think this thread is going off-topic... the way I see it, everybody is different... and carbs will always be something you can not set in stone, because different people respond different to them

maybe Enforcer can eat 400gr of carbs a day and stay fairly lean and that turns me into a fat slob... and I'm not lying when saying I have a friend who drinks 4 liters of coke a day, giving him exactly 440gr of sugar... that's a pound of sugar per day... besides his regular sweets, bread, pasta... and know what? he has a 6-pack

so I think it's useless to go on with this... Enforcer knows his body responds good to rather high carbs... doesn't mean mine, krazy's or adidamps does... do what works for you, whether it means taking in 500gr of carbs or 0

end of the story...

Agreed, do what works 4 you

[NJC_Manhattan]

6'0" 190!? Man keep putting on more weight! And working 70-80 a week, and training 2 hour a day and then running 3-5 miles? Are your days like 36 hours long? Here's what you do...

Stop worrying about cutting, cut your workout down to an hour, pull a sled or do sprints, or kettlebells instead of running and for god sakes eat more!

Ha! yea man. Banking is a tough industry especially in this economy... I work weekends, hence the 70-80 hour work week. I got size, but Im trying to cut all the fat. I see cuts in all my body but my abs... Its really getting annoyiny, but the more I push the better it is.

[NJC_Manhattan]

.................. is the thread creator going to keep the 1 cup of broc?[/QUOTE]

That and switch in a cup of raw spinach from time to time

[NJC_Manhattan]

Didn't mean this thread to turn into an argument. Just wanted some advice.

To everyone saying I need to eat more. I have size, all the size I want, what I want to do is maintain that size, but cut the fluff... Easier said than done, but I'm sure there are people out there who want to do the same. I want to bodybuild, not powerlift.

[ROC1291]

Didn't mean this thread to turn into an argument. Just wanted some advice.

To everyone saying I need to eat more. I have size, all the size I want, what I want to do is maintain that size, but cut the fluff... Easier said than done, but I'm sure there are people out there who want to do the same. I want to bodybuild, not powerlift.

Sorry for starting all of this.
They confused you and I on several occasions, NJC. Good luck with your stint in Keto, hope all goes well. I started mine today, should be fun!

[NJC_Manhattan]

Sorry for starting all of this.
They confused you and I on several occasions, NJC. Good luck with your stint in Keto, hope all goes well. I started mine today, should be fun!

No worries. I'm glad for the advice. Might do Keto for a couple of months then some caveman. Basically, I'll see how I feel. Good luck on your keto as well.