What the hell am I doing wrong?

[NJC_Manhattan]

Gentlemen,

I have definition all over my body except my core. I follow a rigorous exercise routine and diet, and I only break my diet once a week (I like to go to bars on Friday). Even while drinking I only have vodka sodas... Basically, what the fuck am I doing wrong? I'm on enough supps to kill a horse... I run marathons for fun...

See this for my diet http://forum.animalpak.com/showthread.php?t=19602

I dont wanna bitch because I have gone down from 250 to around 190 in under 2 years, while maintaining mass/strength... but I want those cuts in my core... you know that vein across the abs... Anyone got a diet/routine that effectively targets that area? Any help is much appreciated.

Your buddy,
NJC

[krazyassmexican]

quit drinkin, that's the fix
you can go out and not get wasted
there's always diet pop or water available

[NJC_Manhattan]

quit drinkin, that's the fix
you can go out and not get wasted
there's always diet pop or water available

Even with a no carb, no cal drink like vodka soda?

[krazyassmexican]

Even with a no carb, no cal drink like vodka soda?

alcohol has calories, empty calories

each gram of alcohol has 7 calories

[simpleguy]

alcohol has calories, empty calories

each gram of alcohol has 7 calories

yup... besides, even if (in a twisted world) you wouldn't care about the cals in alcohol, it has loads of side effects and it's detrimental to any bodybuilding purpose...

save it for occasions, RARE occasions

[NJC_Manhattan]

yup... besides, even if (in a twisted world) you wouldn't care about the cals in alcohol, it has loads of side effects and it's detrimental to any bodybuilding purpose...

save it for occasions, RARE occasions

Wow, that bad huh? I guess even once a week can throw you off.... Guess I'll have to man up on this one... Tough in NY though

[LuvsThePain]

If you want to be as cut as you say you want to, then your friday night ritual is going to have to go. No more soda "especially". When you reach a certain level, every little thing becomes a factor in the goals you're trying to achieve. Stick to your diet plan and routine, don't cheat.

LuvsThePain

[big bear]

i checked out your diet and training,

what i would do is to cut out the running and instead do a cardio session after lifting on the bike, elliptical, etc, because running tends to also burn muscle, although it is really good for your cardiovascular system. so i assume you do like to run so maybe 2-3 days a week you can do that.

as far as the vodka on friday nights only i really dont think thats going to really hurt you. i mean unless your trying to become a proffesional bodybuilder you can get away with it, dont be afraid to live a little.

[big bear]

but cut out the soda

[NJC_Manhattan]

but cut out the soda

Just FYI- the soda is soda water... not like coke or spirte... its like club soda...

[NJC_Manhattan]

i checked out your diet and training,

what i would do is to cut out the running and instead do a cardio session after lifting on the bike, elliptical, etc, because running tends to also burn muscle, although it is really good for your cardiovascular system. so i assume you do like to run so maybe 2-3 days a week you can do that.

as far as the vodka on friday nights only i really dont think thats going to really hurt you. i mean unless your trying to become a proffesional bodybuilder you can get away with it, dont be afraid to live a little.

I run 30-40 mins after every lifting routine

[NJC_Manhattan]

If you want to be as cut as you say you want to, then your friday night ritual is going to have to go. No more soda "especially". When you reach a certain level, every little thing becomes a factor in the goals you're trying to achieve. Stick to your diet plan and routine, don't cheat.

LuvsThePain

That's true and I don't want to take a carb blocker... I can't imagine that being good for your body at all... and I absolutely refuse (and find morally unacceptable) any kind of steroid... This is something I believe everyone here can embrace.

[big bear]

also keep in mind that the stomach region is the last place the body will go to as far as burning fat. so everything else right now is already lost its fat, give it a little more time and you should start seeing the belly fat come off. when i did a cut thats how it worked for me, i was getting cut everywhere except my stomach, but eventually i started to lose the belly fat and now i have very visable cuts and striations

[IRBS]

and I absolutely refuse (and find morally unacceptable) any kind of steroid...

But you drink alcohol??? hmmmmmm.......

[NJC_Manhattan]

also keep in mind that the stomach region is the last place the body will go to as far as burning fat. so everything else right now is already lost its fat, give it a little more time and you should start seeing the belly fat come off. when i did a cut thats how it worked for me, i was getting cut everywhere except my stomach, but eventually i started to lose the belly fat and now i have very visable cuts and striations

Thanks man... I'll keep that in mind. I just gotta tighten it up... You know? I feel the muscles underneath, but don't see them...

[krazyassmexican]

alcohol lowers your testosterone and raises your estrogen levels

it's poison for your muscles

oh, something else

if you are on ketosis and runnin, you are askin for trouble

[NJC_Manhattan]

But you drink alcohol??? hmmmmmm.......


Steroids are ruining all athletics and are used by cheaters... You can look like a Greek God on the outside, but be dying on the inside... I also like having my nuts intact...

The second type of beverage after water was alcohol... been around forever... I would also bet that more people drink than take steroids... Futher, I think alcohol is safer than steroids...

[NJC_Manhattan]

alcohol lowers your testosterone and raises your estrogen levels

it's poison for your muscles

oh, something else

if you are on ketosis and runnin, you are askin for trouble

Wow! KAM you never fail to surprise.... Quick question though, how is keto and running trouble? Muscle loss or is my heart going to quick on me? Perhaps something else?

[krazyassmexican]

Steroids are ruining all athletics and are used by cheaters... You can look like a Greek God on the outside, but be dying on the inside... I also like having my nuts intact...

alcohol is safer than steroids...

myths and stereotypes together

[krazyassmexican]

Wow! KAM you never fail to surprise.... Quick question though, how is keto and running trouble? Muscle loss or is my heart going to quick on me? Perhaps something else?

muscle loss

[Spinellis]

I'm not convinced that a lot of cardio is always the answer.

I think someone on here already said to much cardio can burn muscle.

Many (but not all) of the long distance runners, bikers or swimmers i know (people who do mostly cardio) have layer a of fat.

I also think your body can be trained to store fat too, since that is your main fuel for long term cardio.

Also, don't forget, some people just have fat in areas that's almost impossible to get rid of. These people "may" want to think about a little lipo surgery.

[IRBS]

Steroids are ruining all athletics and are used by cheaters... You can look like a Greek God on the outside, but be dying on the inside... I also like having my nuts intact...

The second type of beverage after water was alcohol... been around forever... I would also bet that more people drink than take steroids... Futher, I think alcohol is safer than steroids...

Ok, just checking....................LOL

[NJC_Manhattan]

myths and stereotypes together

KAM I respect your opinion, but could you elaborate?

[IRBS]

myths and stereotypes together

I agree with KAM here.........

[Cellerator65]

i thought alcohol was 9 cals, but nonetheless it is empty calories.... unless you are blessed with awesome genetics that allow you to get wasted every weekend and keep a 6 pack, then you gotta make some sacrifice.

[NJC_Manhattan]

I agree with KAM here.........

I don't want to offend anyone, just curious with this question... You mean to tell me that with all the supps, the dieting, and the nutrition examined on this site, you guys aren't implying that people add a little juice on top of this as well?

[NJC_Manhattan]

I'm not convinced that a lot of cardio is always the answer.

I think someone on here already said to much cardio can burn muscle.

Many (but not all) of the long distance runners, bikers or swimmers i know (people who do mostly cardio) have layer a of fat.

I also think your body can be trained to store fat too, since that is your main fuel for long term cardio.

Also, don't forget, some people just have fat in areas that's almost impossible to get rid of. These people "may" want to think about a little lipo surgery.

I don't know what I think about surgery... There has to be a way that gets rid of the fat

[krazyassmexican]

KAM I respect your opinion, but could you elaborate?

elaborating will take a long time, i do my research not only on keto but on drugs as well, reading everyday i am still natural but wont stay like that forever, elaborating may cause great controversy and rules being violated, i suggest you watch bigger stronger and faster when it comes out on dvd

or start researching

[krazyassmexican]

I don't want to offend anyone, just curious with this question... You mean to tell me that with all the supps, the dieting, and the nutrition examined on this site, you guys aren't implying that people add a little juice on top of this as well?

never said athletes are not juicing, what i said is that all those risks and alcohol being safer than drugs is just a myth

the top 3 drugs on the emergency room are cocaine, weed and alcohol

steroids ocuppy the top 150 (143 if i remember correctly)

how many people die every year from alcohol abuse?

[Iron4Life]

myths and stereotypes together

couldn't agree more

[NJC_Manhattan]

elaborating will take a long time, i do my research not only on keto but on drugs as well, reading everyday i am still natural but wont stay like that forever, elaborating may cause great controversy and rules being violated, i suggest you watch bigger stronger and faster when it comes out on dvd

or start researching

I've read a bunch of articles on steroids, mostly because I'm a big baseball fan and ever since 3-4 years ago roids have been a hot button... It seems the cons outweigh the pros... But I'll watch that DVD, its about roids in sports right?

[big bear]

i respect your opinion on the steroids and alcohol. but unless either of these two are ABUSED... they technically are not that bad for you. im not saying steroids are ok to take, but they have been exploited by the media and have a bad rep- because they focus on the people that abused them. if used properly, well the health risks are not horrible as the media says so. same goes with alcohol- hell if i drank a six pack everyday then yea thats bad and i would lose muscle, gain fat,etc. but if you drink it in moderation- say one night a week, its really not goin to kill you! haha, and yes i understand that alcohol is detrimental, but those who bash on us who drink on a friday night, its not like were abusing it

[krazyassmexican]

I've read a bunch of articles on steroids, mostly because I'm a big baseball fan and ever since 3-4 years ago roids have been a hot button... It seems the cons outweigh the pros... But I'll watch that DVD, its about roids in sports right?

read research not from anybody but from people involved on it

[NJC_Manhattan]

never said athletes are not juicing, what i said is that all those risks and alcohol being safer than drugs is just a myth

the top 3 drugs on the emergency room are cocaine, weed and alcohol

steroids ocuppy the top 150 (143 if i remember correctly)

how many people die every year from alcohol abuse?

Interesting, but do they do those numbers by totals or do they do it by percentage of use? Meaning, more people probably drink than take roids, thus there would be more death/injury from it in total number, but what about percentage or users vs. death.

[krazyassmexican]

going back to the subject:
cut off the no explode as well bro

[simpleguy]

I don't want to offend anyone, just curious with this question... You mean to tell me that with all the supps, the dieting, and the nutrition examined on this site, you guys aren't implying that people add a little juice on top of this as well?

no, and I risk a ban talking about this, but you gotta understand that many steroids are actually medicines given to sick people (though in a smaller dosage)... I think they meant the side-effects are very often over-appreciated... no wonder a dude with no knowledge about bodybuilding sees a clip of greg valentino and the next thing he says to everyone is that steroids will cause your arms to explode

nobody here is telling anybody to use them, because after all, as G Diesel says, who gives a fuck whether your training partner is natural or not? just that it's good to be properly informed...

[krazyassmexican]

Interesting, but do they do those numbers by totals or do they do it by percentage of use? Meaning, more people probably drink than take roids, thus there would be more death/injury from it in total number, but what about percentage or users vs. death.

3 people died from roids in the whole story of bb and sports (and they still have to show me the authopsy results, how many die from tobacco and alcohol?
thousands a year

[Spinellis]

I thought read somewhere that alcohol "could" raise estrogen levels?

Is that true anyone?

If it is true, that could cause a little fat in some areas.

[krazyassmexican]

no, and I risk a ban talking about this, but you gotta understand that many steroids are actually medicines given to sick people (though in a smaller dosage)... I think they meant the side-effects are very often over-appreciated... no wonder a dude with no knowledge about bodybuilding sees a clip of greg valentino and the next thing he says to everyone is that steroids will cause your arms to explode

nobody here is telling anybody to use them, because after all, as G Diesel says, who gives a fuck whether your training partner is natural or not? just that it's good to be properly informed...

greg valentino had that accident for not being clean enough and re using/droppin and stickin pins

[simpleguy]

I thought read somewhere that alcohol "could" raise estrogen levels?

Is that true anyone?

yes

[simpleguy]

greg valentino had that accident for not being clean enough and re using/droppin and stickin pins

I know... but 90% of the world doesn't - it's easy to say it happened because of roids, right?

[IRBS]

I don't want to offend anyone, just curious with this question... You mean to tell me that with all the supps, the dieting, and the nutrition examined on this site, you guys aren't implying that people add a little juice on top of this as well?

Noone is advising you to take any illegal substance, it could not be further from the truth. You should stay away from all drug use. But you cant be so nieve to believe that that Steroids do not play a major role in Sports, always have, always will.........it has to do with being the best at what you do, and some will do whatever it takes to achieve their goals.

elaborating will take a long time, i do my research not only on keto but on drugs as well, reading everyday i am still natural but wont stay like that forever, elaborating may cause great controversy and rules being violated, i suggest you watch bigger stronger and faster when it comes out on dvd

or start researching

Agree with KAM here again. There is plenty of research out there for you to find on your own, and going into that here would lead us down a road that could violate some of the rules at The Forvm.

That said, do some research, at one time I thought like you as well...there is more to it than "Steroids are Cheating"...that is a cookie cutter, cop-out answer...


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OK, lets get back on track here. In my opinion, your alcohol use is probably not the culprit. Your distance running is likely the problem. If you want to look like a distance runner, keep it up. If you want to look like a Bodybuilder, you need to make smarter choices with your cardio selections.

Good luck bro.

[NJC_Manhattan]

no, and I risk a ban talking about this, but you gotta understand that many steroids are actually medicines given to sick people (though in a smaller dosage)... I think they meant the side-effects are very often over-appreciated... no wonder a dude with no knowledge about bodybuilding sees a clip of greg valentino and the next thing he says to everyone is that steroids will cause your arms to explode

nobody here is telling anybody to use them, because after all, as G Diesel says, who gives a fuck whether your training partner is natural or not? just that it's good to be properly informed...

Interesting... I appreciate all the feedback... I guess I am just curious... Since senior year of high school I have played sports that tested athletes for 'substance abuse' and heard the same thing that its always bad, but I should probably get more informed before I start condeming it... But it would take a lot of evidence beyond a reasonable doubt to make think roids, no matter the dosage, are ok (outside of medical necessity)...

[Iron4Life]

i respect your opinion on the steroids and alcohol. but unless either of these two are ABUSED... they technically are not that bad for you. im not saying steroids are ok to take, but they have been exploited by the media and have a bad rep- because they focus on the people that abused them. if used properly, well the health risks are not horrible as the media says so. same goes with alcohol- hell if i drank a six pack everyday then yea thats bad and i would lose muscle, gain fat,etc. but if you drink it in moderation- say one night a week, its really not goin to kill you! haha, and yes i understand that alcohol is detrimental, but those who bash on us who drink on a friday night, its not like were abusing it

BB you hit the nail on the head....if used in moderation both of these substance are not harmful...its abuse of them that creates the real issues...which seem to be what the media feeds off of. just my opinion though

[NJC_Manhattan]

Noone is advising you to take any illegal substance, it could not be further from the truth. You should stay away from all drug use. But you cant be so nieve to believe that that Steroids do not play a major role in Sports, always have, always will.........it has to do with being the best at what you do, and some will do whatever it takes to achieve their goals.



Agree with KAM here again. There is plenty of research out there for you to find on your own, and going into that here would lead us down a road that could violate some of the rules at The Forvm.

That said, do some research, at one time I thought like you as well...there is more to it than "Steroids are Cheating"...that is a cookie cutter, cop-out answer...


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OK, lets get back on track here. In my opinion, your alcohol use is probably not the culprit. Your distance running is likely the problem. If you want to look like a distance runner, keep it up. If you want to look like a Bodybuilder, you need to make smarter choices with your cardio selections.

Good luck bro.

Much Appreciated man... Was thinking of cutting cardio and just doing kettle ball workouts or the boxjumps (perhaps my least favorite gym activity, but nonetheless effective)

[NJC_Manhattan]

To get somewhat back on topic... is keto the most effective diet against stomach fat? I know with diets it depends on the person, but does keto work more times than not?

[Iron4Life]

never said athletes are not juicing, what i said is that all those risks and alcohol being safer than drugs is just a myth

the top 3 drugs on the emergency room are cocaine, weed and alcohol

steroids ocuppy the top 150 (143 if i remember correctly)

how many people die every year from alcohol abuse?



I agree many people go to the ER from a coke or alcohol OD...but i highly doubt that anyone has gone to the ER from weed....i will leave it at that as these are all very touchy subjects and probably fringe on breaking forum rules

[krazyassmexican]

Interesting... I appreciate all the feedback... I guess I am just curious... Since senior year of high school I have played sports that tested athletes for 'substance abuse' and heard the same thing that its always bad, but I should probably get more informed before I start condeming it... But it would take a lot of evidence beyond a reasonable doubt to make think roids, no matter the dosage, are ok (outside of medical necessity)...

i heard someone taking 4grams of test/week prior to contest (the man told me himself) and he's alive and is a record breaker

my honest advice is

cut N-o explode
cut alcohol
start walking

[NJC_Manhattan]

i heard someone taking 4grams of test/week prior to contest (the man told me himself) and he's alive and is a record breaker

my honest advice is

cut N-o explode
cut alcohol
start walking

Sounds good... I'll cut the pre-workout NO, skip the alcohol, start walking guess ill keep my heart rate around 125... man cardio is B-O-R-I-N-G!

[krazyassmexican]

To get somewhat back on topic... is keto the most effective diet against stomach fat? I know with diets it depends on the person, but does keto work more times than not?

with keto your body knows it depends on ketones for well being, once your body utilizes your dietary fat, it has body fat to create ketones as long as you walk for cardio you will be burning fat even laying on the couch

with other diets
your body still depends on glycogen
and once glycogen is done, your body may utilize bf for energy or muscle mass
depends on what you do

[krazyassmexican]

Sounds good... I'll cut the pre-workout NO, skip the alcohol, start walking guess ill keep my heart rate around 125... man cardio is B-O-R-I-N-G!

tell me about it

[simpleguy]

with other diets
your body still depends on glycogen
and once glycogen is done, your body may utilize bf for energy or muscle mass
depends on what you do

you can (and do) burn carbs and fat at the same time

[NJC_Manhattan]

tell me about it

Nothing like 30-40 mins on a treadmill staring at yourself in the mirror thinking 'this shit better pay off'...

[k1usa]

The second type of beverage after water was alcohol... been around forever... I would also bet that more people drink than take steroids... Futher, I think alcohol is safer than steroids...[/QUOTE]


strike true buddy...more people do alcohol than roids..but buddy....saying the drink is safer than the roids....OMG....after every homcoming here in Pleasanton...after the games at both high schools...at least one or more kids die in car crashes...and all drunk on thier dead asses ...but non on roids...I know this sounds very in general..but hit up any emergancy room on a Fri or Sat night and watch the drunks come in .....all from fights...car accidents...falling down stairs....but funny thing is...the few I know that are doing the gear....the hard core bb's that compete in my area are very careful..always getting checked and watch so close what blood...liver...and all body parts are doing while doing the gear...and I dont agree with the pushing the envelope like this bor....not my style..but not seen them in horrible situations like the drunks...not to say all that drink get waisted...but Im just thinking of what you said here...and wanted to pitch in my 2 cents.....I dont drink....smoke or do gear......but I did watch my son..now a clean living survivor of some horrible times with drinking and drugs...go through a tough time with all that shit...and one thing lead to another..and he got caught up in a shity time...almost lost him...but it was not roids bro....just the other shit that almost distroyed him...


you train hard bro..and the core will come out.....we all hide that behind a few pounds of belly..but its there bro.....never give up...

[krazyassmexican]

you can (and do) burn carbs and fat at the same time

how do you burn fat when your body is breakin down muscle for energy?

[NJC_Manhattan]

The second type of beverage after water was alcohol... been around forever... I would also bet that more people drink than take steroids... Futher, I think alcohol is safer than steroids...


strike true buddy...more people do alcohol than roids..but buddy....saying the drink is safer than the roids....OMG....after every homcoming here in Pleasanton...after the games at both high schools...at least one or more kids die in car crashes...and all drunk on thier dead asses ...but non on roids...I know this sounds very in general..but hit up any emergancy room on a Fri or Sat night and watch the drunks come in .....all from fights...car accidents...falling down stairs....but funny thing is...the few I know that are doing the gear....the hard core bb's that compete in my area are very careful..always getting checked and watch so close what blood...liver...and all body parts are doing while doing the gear...and I dont agree with the pushing the envelope like this bor....not my style..but not seen them in horrible situations like the drunks...not to say all that drink get waisted...but Im just thinking of what you said here...and wanted to pitch in my 2 cents.....I dont drink....smoke or do gear......but I did watch my son..now a clean living survivor of some horrible times with drinking and drugs...go through a tough time with all that shit...and one thing lead to another..and he got caught up in a shity time...almost lost him...but it was not roids bro....just the other shit that almost distroyed him...


you train hard bro..and the core will come out.....we all hide that behind a few pounds of belly..but its there bro.....never give up...[/QUOTE]

Damn man... I'm speechless. I know abuse is bad....

Thanks for the positive words at the end man... Always darkest before the dawn right?

[simpleguy]

how do you burn fat when your body is breakin down muscle for energy?

sorry bro, but I said fat and carbs, not fat and protein... b/c you sad 'once your glycogen is done your body can utilize fat for energy' - what I mean is that your glycogen stores don't need to be empty for you to burn fat

but still to answer this question, you can burn fat and muscle at the same time as well

[krazyassmexican]

sorry bro, but I said fat and carbs, not fat and protein... b/c you sad 'once your glycogen is done your body can utilize fat for energy' - what I mean is that your glycogen stores don't ned to be empty for you to burn fat

but still to answer this question, you can burn fat and muscle at the same time as well

i debated over this with you like 20 times already and from what i know
you proved to yourself how being on ketosis 24/7 is better for lossing weight that carb cycling or anything

and honestly i wont debate the subject again

[simpleguy]

i debated over this with you like 20 times already and from what i know
you proved to yourself how being on ketosis 24/7 is better for lossing weight that carb cycling or anything

and honestly i wont debate the subject again

krazy, I was not defending carb cycling here, all I said is that you burn fat even while your carb stores are not empty... I was not bashing ketosis (which really worked for me)

[Fury317]

myths and stereotypes together

hahaha love it, you da man KAM.

[dclutter1]

man cardio is B-O-R-I-N-G!
I hear ya man, I hate doing low intensity cardio. It seems so pointless.


with keto your body knows it depends on ketones for well being, once your body utilizes your dietary fat, it has body fat to create ketones as long as you walk for cardio you will be burning fat even laying on the couch

Why is it that higher intensity cardio burns so much muscle when you're in ketosis? I'm curious because I'm in the military and I HAVE to run 3x a week. I like running, but I don't particularly like losing muscle.

[krazyassmexican]

Why is it that higher intensity cardio burns so much muscle when you're in ketosis? I'm curious because I'm in the military and I HAVE to run 3x a week. I like running, but I don't particularly like losing muscle.

High intensity cardio feeds itself from glycogen, since there's no glycogen in your body it will break down muscle for energy

[dclutter1]

Why does your body not continue to use the fat for energy though? Can it not break it down fast enough or something?

Also, even though you're breaking down muscle, you're still using fat TOO right? I'm not saying it's worth it but since I don't have a choice with running, I hope I'm atleast still burning fat.

[simpleguy]

Why does your body not continue to use the fat for energy though? Can it not break it down fast enough or something? yes

Also, even though you're breaking down muscle, you're still using fat TOO right? I'm not saying it's worth it but since I don't have a choice with running, I hope I'm atleast still burning fat.

if the intensity is very high you won't really burn much fat... aminos/carbs most likely

but the good news is HI cardio boosts your metabolism big time so after the session you burn more fat then usual

make sure you have your weekly cheat meal since you'll need the carbs in it (and even consider having 2 cheat meals a week)...

[krazyassmexican]

Also, even though you're breaking down muscle, you're still using fat TOO right? I'm not saying it's worth it but since I don't have a choice with running, I hope I'm atleast still burning fat.

not in my opinion, have you ever heard about the term skinny fat?

ok JARED?
he's fit and an example to the society but imo he's fat

[dclutter1]

I try to take it easy, I'm a natural runner so I guess that helps. Technically, it's probably not considered low intensity but I can usually keep my HR between 150-160 while running. LIke I said, to me that feels pretty low as far as intensity goes. I guess that's why 130HR feels so useless.

[krazyassmexican]

I try to take it easy, I'm a natural runner so I guess that helps. Technically, it's probably not considered low intensity but I can usually keep my HR between 150-160 while running. LIke I said, to me that feels pretty low as far as intensity goes. I guess that's why 130HR feels so useless.

130hr is too high on keto

[dclutter1]

130hr is too high on keto

Well that sucks. I don't really have any other options for cardio.


I'm on week 7 and just judging by the mirror, I don't appear to have lost (much) muscle. I've definitely lost most of my fat except for what's left on my stomach and a little bit on my chest. Hopefully I'll be able to hit my goal in the next few weeks with minimal muscle loss.

So the ideal cardio for keto is 45-60 mins at a heart rate less than 130 (walking)?

[krazyassmexican]

Well that sucks. I don't really have any other options for cardio.


I'm on week 7 and just judging by the mirror, I don't appear to have lost (much) muscle. I've definitely lost most of my fat except for what's left on my stomach and a little bit on my chest. Hopefully I'll be able to hit my goal in the next few weeks with minimal muscle loss.

So the ideal cardio for keto is 45-60 mins at a heart rate less than 130 (walking)?

exactly, keep your heart rate under 130 and you will be burning fat

[dclutter1]

Thanks for the responses guys.

Sorry to the OP for hijacking :P

[NJC_Manhattan]

exactly, keep your heart rate under 130 and you will be burning fat

Is that true even if youre not on keto?

[krazyassmexican]

Is that true even if youre not on keto?

basically

[NJC_Manhattan]

basically

Interesting. So I should really never run, but walk at like 4.5mph at a slight incline

[Spinellis]

So for fat burning.

Is interval cardio out of the question?

Like 30 minute sessions, in the morning, before eating.

Running hard for 2 minutes, and walk for 1 minute.

I too hate slow, long, low intensity cardio.

[rayzer27]

When is the best time to run? when you first wake up in the morning on an empty stomach or after a workout session? explain why please thank you!

[adidamps2]

When is the best time to run? when you first wake up in the morning on an empty stomach or after a workout session? explain why please thank you!
what ever time fits in to your daily schedule the best. unless this question is for a school project of some sort, it really is subjective.

I personally prefer pre-work out.

[simpleguy]

When is the best time to run? when you first wake up in the morning on an empty stomach or after a workout session? explain why please thank you!

me, I would never really run on an empty stomach... even for the pwo option, I'd still make sure to have at least some aminos after lifting before cardio