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Tiny
11-14-08, 3:28 pm
I can't believe no one here has mentioned the upcoming fight Saturday night. Randy Cotoure -vs- Brock Lesnar; who is gonna win? I'm watching this one for sure - should be anyone's guess.

firsthorseman97
11-14-08, 3:44 pm
I can never bet against Randy. I'm hopin he wins, I guess we'll see. I'll say by rear naked choke 2 minutes into the 2nd round. Anything can happen when the door closes.

Hollow
11-14-08, 4:01 pm
Definitely catching this one!!!

Deaner488
11-14-08, 4:01 pm
I'll be at buffalo wild wings watching this one for sure. I can't tell who is gonna win this one. Its gonna be a great fight though.

Cstlfx
11-14-08, 4:10 pm
It was talked about, just a while ago when the fight was first announced. I think Lesnar will win, sadly. The reason Couture beat Silvia was because Silvia wouldnt fight to win, he always fought to not lose once he had the belt. Randy just dismantled him. But Lesnar is a huge 265-er that really brings the action, as seen by the Heath Herring fight. If he stays calm and collective, he can finish him off in the first two rounds.

If it goes past the first two, Randy is going to stomp the crap out of him. Lesnar just doesnt have the conditioning to be going that hard. I mean he probably weighs close to 300, thats a lot of oxygen and blood going through the body. Plus, Randy's experience could get him into a submission in later rounds when Brock isnt thinking clearly.

Bottom Line: Brock with a TKO within first 2 rounds. Rounds 3+ Randy wins through Submission, TKO, or Unanimous Decision.

Enforcer
11-14-08, 4:11 pm
Got to go with Lesnar on this one

Giant Killer
11-14-08, 4:19 pm
Got to go with Lesnar on this one

Got to do the same.

Jormungand
11-14-08, 4:31 pm
I want Lesnar to win. Then I want him to own the HW division for a long time.

prowrestler
11-14-08, 5:05 pm
if i dont say brock lesnar, ill be hated by my peers

but i love brock lesnar!

BROCK,BROCK,BROCK,BROCK!

he needs to hit the F-5, then just lay on top of randy for the rest of the fight and let the judges give him the belt

prowrestler
11-14-08, 5:15 pm
let me remind you people and especialy randy who brock lesnar is


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IrPGWzRT5A

Cstlfx
11-14-08, 6:46 pm
if i dont say brock lesnar, ill be hated by my peers

but i love brock lesnar!

BROCK,BROCK,BROCK,BROCK!

he needs to hit the F-5, then just lay on top of randy for the rest of the fight and let the judges give him the belt

I dont know about the F-5, but I can see the triple powerbomb as a possibility. I'd pay more money to the UFC if Brock KO's Randy with a F-5.

Or better yet, if Randy does it to Brock!

newbreed
11-14-08, 6:52 pm
It can go either way. I think Lesnar needs more work on certain parts but can still win it. Although Cotoure is a phenomenon.

mritter3
11-14-08, 6:54 pm
lesner will beat his ass. hands down

prowrestler
11-14-08, 7:08 pm
I dont know about the F-5, but I can see the triple powerbomb as a possibility. I'd pay more money to the UFC if Brock KO's Randy with a F-5.

Or better yet, if Randy does it to Brock!

no chance in hell is randy hittin the f-5 on brock!

brock needs to hit the F-5 to embarass randy and it would hurt in real life, the triple powerbomb could happen too

Lawnmower Man
11-14-08, 8:15 pm
brock shouldn't be getting a title fight this early in his career, he hasn't proved anything yet, he is 2-1 in mma. i think randy is to talented to lose. brock was beating the hell out of mir and slipped up and mir submitted him. i think randy will wait for that slip up and get the win.

Achilles
11-14-08, 9:05 pm
Captain America has this wrapped, sure lesnar is a mountain of a man .. but I think Randy is the smarter fighter .. and technique always wins over power .. true story fellas

BryanSmash!
11-14-08, 9:22 pm
There as some great opinions on the 8th thread down in this section as well.

eric downey
11-14-08, 10:06 pm
Cotoure Wins

J Wong
11-14-08, 10:11 pm
lesner will beat his ass. hands down

It will not go down this way, at all. If Lesnar wins, it will be by lay and pray decision.

Rhys
11-15-08, 12:25 am
In my opinion Brock Lesnar is the most explosive, powerfull, and gifted athlete that professional wrestling has ever seen.

Even still, When it comes to fighting...size and strength really isn't all that big of an advantage against another very well trained and experienced fighter.

Blckdragun
11-15-08, 8:38 am
Big Lesnar fan but I gotta say COTOURE

prowrestler
11-15-08, 12:09 pm
In my opinion Brock Lesnar is the most explosive, powerfull, and gifted athlete that professional wrestling has ever seen.

Even still, When it comes to fighting...size and strength really isn't all that big of an advantage against another very well trained and experienced fighter.

i dont agree, technique only works to a cetain degree.

my friend was a black belt in some asian form of submission fighting but i outweighed him by like 80 pounds, he could put me in holds all day but id just brake them and pick him up all over the place. it felt nice to say i fight in a fake sport yet beat a black belt o whatever he was. he was top in his style.

but rany and lesnar are near the same size so its different.

Tiny
11-15-08, 12:49 pm
I have a very extensive fighting background - both in and out of the ring. I trained consistently for about 18 years and taught for probably 7, so within that time span I have been a smaller guy and, later, a bigger guy, and my personal "style" or approach changed as I changed. As a smaller guy I fought from the side a lot, as a bigger guy I banged head on, and either way, yeah, I fought guys my size and fairly bigger, and "size" in itself was not a guarenteed advantage - however, when considering trained combatants, yeah, size is always a potential advantage - 100% of the time. This is in fact why there are separate weight classes - size matters, kids. So, in my opinion, this fight has too many potential factors which could come into play to easily call. Lesnar is powerful, no doubt about that, and should he catch "anybody" on the button with one of those flailing fists, that could be all it takes. Randy is sly, clever, very experienced - seasoned - he is in control of himself. Randy has certainly thoroughly assessed Brock and has trained to fight him; whereas, Brock is still young and green enough that he may have trained for a fight but perhaps not with this specific opponent in mind. From my own experience, the smaller guy needs to be the more technical fighter, and Randy is that. My predication is merely that Brock will not "out wrestle" Randy - that shit ain't going to happen. If Brock wins it is because he out powers Randy and Randy gets caught; Lesnar just beats him down. But if Cotoure stays inside, it is just as likely that Randy can tie Lesnar up and submit him. Lesnar generates a lot of power with knees and elbows, too - just because of the amount of raw muscle he carries, so who knows? This one can go either way.

InkdMuscle
11-15-08, 1:03 pm
well we are having a mini-ABC so to speak. our SoCal crew is gett'n together at Rage's place for the fight. It will b a good one but personally I want Randy.

Tiny
11-15-08, 1:10 pm
well we are having a mini-ABC so to speak. our SoCal crew is gett'n together at Rage's place for the fight. It will b a good one but personally I want Randy.

Dude, I'd love to see Randy victorious - the man is a fucking warrior.

prowrestler
11-15-08, 1:21 pm
its gonna be interesting

machineman
11-15-08, 2:39 pm
I have a very extensive fighting background - both in and out of the ring. I trained consistently for about 18 years and taught for probably 7, so within that time span I have been a smaller guy and, later, a bigger guy, and my personal "style" or approach changed as I changed. As a smaller guy I fought from the side a lot, as a bigger guy I banged head on, and either way, yeah, I fought guys my size and fairly bigger, and "size" in itself was not a guarenteed advantage - however, when considering trained combatants, yeah, size is always a potential advantage - 100% of the time. This is in fact why there are separate weight classes - size matters, kids. So, in my opinion, this fight has too many potential factors which could come into play to easily call. Lesnar is powerful, no doubt about that, and should he catch "anybody" on the button with one of those flailing fists, that could be all it takes. Randy is sly, clever, very experienced - seasoned - he is in control of himself. Randy has certainly thoroughly assessed Brock and has trained to fight him; whereas, Brock is still young and green enough that he may have trained for a fight but perhaps not with this specific opponent in mind. From my own experience, the smaller guy needs to be the more technical fighter, and Randy is that. My predication is merely that Brock will not "out wrestle" Randy - that shit ain't going to happen. If Brock wins it is because he out powers Randy and Randy gets caught; Lesnar just beats him down. But if Cotoure stays inside, it is just as likely that Randy can tie Lesnar up and submit him. Lesnar generates a lot of power with knees and elbows, too - just because of the amount of raw muscle he carries, so who knows? This one can go either way.

Now that, boys and girls, is a fight analysis! And as a submission grappler myself, I have to agree with Tiny.......I fight guys that are my size, bigger and smaller....I have to be more technical with the bigger guys and with the smaller guys, I can use more power....but that comes with a price....when you are trying to out power someone, you use more energy....and you get gassed sooner.....so, I like Randy to win, but this is too difficult to call a clear cut advantage to either fighter.

prowrestler
11-16-08, 1:52 am
BROCK FUCKIN DID IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!! YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

THE REF HAD TO STOP THE FIGHT HAHAHA! i love brock even more now

J Wong
11-16-08, 2:16 am
BROCK FUCKIN DID IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!! YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

THE REF HAD TO STOP THE FIGHT HAHAHA! i love brock even more now

Ugh.

prowrestler
11-16-08, 2:19 am
Ugh.

i love how this makes pro wrestling look so good. everyones lik e "so what, thats fake" yet one of our guys gets trained and wins the belt in his 4th fight!

Rhys
11-16-08, 3:00 am
Don't get me wrong...size and strength is an absolute advantage when it comes to 1 on 1 unarmed combat of any kind. When I started wrestling at 13 years old in 7th grade I was 6'4" 158lbs. I was a tall skinny ass ectomorph but I was also far stronger, faster, and generally more athletic than all the other guys on the wrestling team. I easily dominated all the other 1st year wrestlers and the only person on the Jr. High wrestling team who could consistently beat me was the wrestling coaches son. Who was my training partner.

We were actually pretty close in size. He was close to 6 feet tall and only 1 weight class below me. I was a decent amount stronger and faster than he was but he had already had a few years of wrestling underneath his belt. Along with getting thrown around by the coaches son all through my first year of wrestling. My other training partner was the 125 lb High School State Champion. The wrestling coach often brought him in to Jr. High wrestling practice specifically to train with me. He always seemed to really enjoy putting all kinds of hurtin on me.

I wrestled all the way through junior high and high school and trained in Muay Thai and Pankration for 3 years after high school at AMC Kickboxing in Kirkland Washington. While training at AMC during those years I was weighing in at a very lean and athletic 190lbs. Being tall with long ass arms and legs all of the bigger guys used to get me to spar with them. They liked the challenge of sparring against a tall opponent with long arms who was also strong, fast and athletic. One of my main training partners was a tall chubby baby faced lookin guy who weighed in at about 230lbs. At the time he was the Pacific Northwest United Full Contact Heavyweight Champion. Years later he went on to beat Randy Cotoure for the UFC championship. But was stripped of the title for using banned substances. Today he is ranked as one of the top Heavyweight MMA fighters in the world.

http://www.mmaroot.com/josh-barnett-vs-randy-couture-ufc-36-video/

I only have about 3 years of MMA training under my belt...and although it was about ten years ago when UFC was still in the single digits. I did train with one of the best of the best. Josh was an awesome training partner and looking back I realize just how fortunate and lucky I was to have had a training partner of his caliber during my few years of MMA traiinng. Even if he did like to sing Backstreet Boys during warm ups. HA!! I seriously cannot count how many times Josh tapped me out back in those days. Some times it just seemed like he'd tap me out every 10 seconds or so.

Yeah...I spent most of my training in wrestling and MMA pretty much getting whupped on by opponents who were among the best of the best. Since wrestling and training at AMC with Josh I've been in the Marines, worked as a bodyguard for an escort service, and bounced at the most popular electronic dance music club in Seattle. During those times I've encountered more than a few situations where I had to use physical force to subdue another person or even persons. And fortunately I've always been able to come out on top without to much of a problem.

When it comes to fighting everything counts. Size, strength, speed, conditioning, and of course fighting skill. I've gotten beat up by opponents bigger than me and smaller than me. But they were also quite strong and very well conditioned. I've also put a hurting on some guys who were quite a bit bigger than me yet did not have much fighting skill or were just in poor condition. I've also roughed up a few black belts in different martial arts simply because they didn't have the strength to handle me and I have decent well rounded fighting skills.

Being bigger and stronger is of course always an advantage in a fight. But if that is your one and only advantage. Then you may be in for some serious trouble going up against a smaller yet more skilled and better conditioned fighter.

Anyone remember Ali vs. Foreman

J Wong
11-16-08, 3:00 am
i love how this makes pro wrestling look so good. everyones lik e "so what, thats fake" yet one of our guys gets trained and wins the belt in his 4th fight!

He had training before pro wrestling man, he was an actual college wrestler.

Rhys
11-16-08, 3:12 am
Damn that all happend while I was goin down memory lane.

And of course the bigger stronger man simply demolishes the smaller one...even if the smaller guy is as good as Cotoure. Right after I post about how being bigger and stronger isn't always that big of an advantage.

But it is Brock Lesnar we're talking about here...I figured him to win...even though I was rootin more for Cotoure.

J Wong
11-16-08, 11:03 am
Damn that all happend while I was goin down memory lane.

And of course the bigger stronger man simply demolishes the smaller one...even if the smaller guy is as good as Cotoure. Right after I post about how being bigger and stronger isn't always that big of an advantage.

But it is Brock Lesnar we're talking about here...I figured him to win...even though I was rootin more for Cotoure.

He didn't win because of his strength and size in that fight, Randy just got caught. But Brock definitely proved that he is for real, but I don't think he can beat Nog (if Nog beats Mir next month).

machineman
11-16-08, 12:06 pm
congrats to brock....but I don't see where he deserved a title fight after 4 fights....maybe it had to do with the fact the White was still pissed at Randy....maybe it was just to put asses in the seat...who knows, but can't wait to see video of the fight....

Deaner488
11-16-08, 12:13 pm
congrats to brock....but I don't see where he deserved a title fight after 4 fights....maybe it had to do with the fact the White was still pissed at Randy....maybe it was just to put asses in the seat...who knows, but can't wait to see video of the fight....

i think he got the fight because if he wins that a money making machine. he did not destroy randy. randy got caught and lesnar was able to finish. before that though randy was blocking lesnars shot and not getting taken down. shows what kind of a warrior randy is for being able to control a beast like that. i was at buffalo wild wings and hearing some of the comments you would think brock was the second coming of god himself and randy was sum bum. makes me kind of sad when people can't give him the respect he has earned..

Tiny
11-16-08, 1:13 pm
i think he got the fight because if he wins that a money making machine. he did not destroy randy. randy got caught and lesnar was able to finish. before that though randy was blocking lesnars shot and not getting taken down. shows what kind of a warrior randy is for being able to control a beast like that. i was at buffalo wild wings and hearing some of the comments you would think brock was the second coming of god himself and randy was sum bum. makes me kind of sad when people can't give him the respect he has earned..

People will say all kinds of shit but most of them don't even know what they are looking at, anyway. I watched the fight - my ass was dragging by the time the undercard was put away. Randy was fighting smart, like always, but (and I was impressed by this) so was Brock. Brock had a plan and you could see it - he didn't rush in like he has done to others in the past. Once the pace seemed fairly established, Randy was impressive with the way he worked from the inside and got back to his feet, grappling with the more powerful Lesnar. He laid against Brock and slowly it seemed he might actually wear him down - it wasn't overwhelming, but it was beginning to look like a distinct possibility. Lesnar made good contact a couple of times and Randy absorbed it or locked up well enough to recover. Brock swung a little wild once or twice, like I've seen him do before, but his power was undeniable and a fucking glancing blow (not even a dead-on shot) just hit the right spot and Randy crumpled - Brock looked at the ref as if to say "need more or what?" and the ref left them roll so Brock followed it up and it was clearly over. Early (as if it even went THAT long) Randy split Brock's eyebrow open and Brock had to wipe the blood out of his eye but it didn't really cost him anything. The folks in the bars might have been sceaming for Lesnar but the booing was fairly excessive in the actual arena. In the end, Lesnar is the new champ but his pro rasslin' gig had little to do with his fight game except to act as a stepping stone, but brock is a genuine wresler to begin with (and so is Randy - college, Army, Olympic alternate) and now he's the UFC heavyweight champ.

Deaner488
11-16-08, 1:19 pm
once brock learns how to throw more controlled punches and gets some submission experience he will be a bigger force. it will be interesting to see what happens when he fights nogueira or mir again. those two guys both are closer to his size and have a great ground game.

Rhys
11-16-08, 1:40 pm
Now that I've watched the fight a couple of times I have to strongly disagree with the above statements about Randy getting caught off guard. It is very obvious to me the commentators in that video have little to absolute zilch of any kind of fight training whatsoever. But you really do need to have some real expierence with No holds Barred fighting, or wrestling, to really understand what went on in this fight.

http://ballhype.com/video/ufc_91_fight_randy_couture_vs_brock_lesnar_full_10 _min/

This fight is absolutely amazing if you really know what's going on. It's also a bit goofy how anybody could say Randy got caught off guard. Randy walked right into a jab followed by a right cross that put him on the floor allowing Brock to finish him off.

The reason Randy walked right into that jab followed by a right cross is because he had just spent the last 7-8 minutes trying to take down and wear down a bigger stronger and equally if not more skilled opponent. You can almost see Brock just letting Randy use up all his energy trying to take him down waiting for Randy to get tired enough so he could come in for the kill. Once again I have to mention the Boxing match between Ali & Foreman.

Seems to me that Brock studied up on the rope-a-dope technique. Except this time it was the bigger stronger guy using the rope-a-dope to let the smaller guy wear himself out.

Also...did you not see that Randy took an elbow and a few good knees and punches during the fight. Granted...Brock took his share of all the above from Randy throughout the fight as well. But Brock didn't even seem to feel that hard right hook Randy delivered near the beginning of the first round.

Not to mention the fact that Randy literally got slammed to the mat by Brock. Believe me...your gonna be feeling a take down like that for a little while. Then Randy spends all that energy working his way back to getting into the top position on Brock only to have Brock easily reverse it by grabbing one leg twisting it sideways then sweeping Randy right back down to the mat. Then Brock just grinds on Randy pushing his arms to the mat with out hardly having to exert a fraction of his full strength.

Randy wasted a ton of energy trying to wrestle, attempting to take Brock down and pressing him up against the cage like that. Brock clearly outwrestled, outsmarted, and out strategerized Randy in my opinion.

I do think Randy would have been better off if he would have tried to keep Brock up on his feet exchanging punches. Brock proved he was no slouch when it came to the striking game in this fight. Though Randy did seem to land more strikes on Brock. But Randy seemed to feel it much more when he got tagged by Brock where as Brock didn't even seem to feel Randy's strikes.

This fight to me proves just how good of an all around fighter Brock has become. Though he did miss a few obvious opportunities to put some brutal submissions on Randy at least a couple of times that I saw. Especially when he had Randy's leg twisted sideways before Brock swept him back down to the mat. And right afterwards when Brock was on top repeatedly pushing and pinning at will Randy's arms flat against the mat. Luckily for Randy it didn't seem that Brock has studied up on his submission wrestling as of yet. If you ask me...it was only because of Brock's lack of experience with submission moves that allowed the fight to go as long as it did.

Tiny
11-16-08, 1:58 pm
Now that I've watched the fight a couple of times I have to strongly disagree with the above statements about Randy getting caught off guard. It is very obvious to me the commentators in that video have little to absolute zilch of any kind of fight training whatsoever. But you really do need to have some real expierence with No holds Barred fighting, or wrestling, to really understand what went on in this fight.

http://ballhype.com/video/ufc_91_fight_randy_couture_vs_brock_lesnar_full_10 _min/

This fight is absolutely amazing if you really know what's going on. It's also a bit goofy how anybody could say Randy got caught off guard. Randy walked right into a jab followed by a right cross that put him on the floor allowing Brock to finish him off.

The reason Randy walked right into that jab followed by a right cross is because he had just spent the last 7-8 minutes trying to take down and wear down a bigger stronger and equally if not more skilled opponent. You can almost see Brock just letting Randy use up all his energy trying to take him down waiting for Randy to get tired enough so he could come in for the kill. Once again I have to mention the Boxing match between Ali & Foreman.

Seems to me that Brock studied up on the rope-a-dope technique. Except this time it was the bigger stronger guy using the rope-a-dope to let the smaller guy wear himself out.

Also...did you not see that Randy took an elbow and a few good knees and punches during the fight. Granted...Brock took his share of all the above from Randy throughout the fight as well. But Brock didn't even seem to feel that hard right hook Randy delivered near the beginning of the first round.

Not to mention the fact that Randy literally got slammed to the mat by Brock. Believe me...your gonna be feeling a take down like that for a little while. Then Randy spends all that energy working his way back to getting into the top position on Brock only to have Brock easily reverse it by grabbing one leg twisting it sideways then sweeping Randy right back down to the mat. Then Brock just grinds on Randy pushing his arms to the mat with out hardly having to exert a fraction of his full strength.

Randy wasted a ton of energy trying to wrestle, attempting to take Brock down and pressing him up against the cage like that. Brock clearly outwrestled, outsmarted, and out strategerized Randy in my opinion.

I do think Randy would have been better off if he would have tried to keep Brock up on his feet exchanging punches. Brock proved he was no slouch when it came to the striking game in this fight. Though Randy did seem to land more strikes on Brock. But Randy seemed to feel it much more when he got tagged by Brock where as Brock didn't even seem to feel Randy's strikes.

This fight to me proves just how good of an all around fighter Brock has become. Though he did miss a few obvious opportunities to put some brutal submissions on Randy at least a couple of times that I saw. Especially when he had Randy's leg twisted sideways before Brock swept him back down to the mat. And right afterwards when Brock was on top repeatedly pushing and pinning at will Randy's arms flat against the mat. Luckily for Randy it didn't seem that Brock has studied up on his submission wrestling as of yet. If you ask me...it was only because of Brock's lack of experience with submission moves that allowed the fight to go as long as it did.

Shit angle on that clip - you have to look at it the way it was captured on the pay per view, and I'm sure it's around somewhere and will be broadcast countless times. For all you are confident you are seeing there, you are missing equally as much.

mikejones1
11-16-08, 2:01 pm
Now that I've watched the fight a couple of times I have to strongly disagree with the above statements about Randy getting caught off guard. It is very obvious to me the commentators in that video have little to absolute zilch of any kind of fight training whatsoever. But you really do need to have some real expierence with No holds Barred fighting, or wrestling, to really understand what went on in this fight.

http://ballhype.com/video/ufc_91_fight_randy_couture_vs_brock_lesnar_full_10 _min/

This fight is absolutely amazing if you really know what's going on. It's also a bit goofy how anybody could say Randy got caught off guard. Randy walked right into a jab followed by a right cross that put him on the floor allowing Brock to finish him off.

The reason Randy walked right into that jab followed by a right cross is because he had just spent the last 7-8 minutes trying to take down and wear down a bigger stronger and equally if not more skilled opponent. You can almost see Brock just letting Randy use up all his energy trying to take him down waiting for Randy to get tired enough so he could come in for the kill. Once again I have to mention the Boxing match between Ali & Foreman.

Seems to me that Brock studied up on the rope-a-dope technique. Except this time it was the bigger stronger guy using the rope-a-dope to let the smaller guy wear himself out.

Also...did you not see that Randy took an elbow and a few good knees and punches during the fight. Granted...Brock took his share of all the above from Randy throughout the fight as well. But Brock didn't even seem to feel that hard right hook Randy delivered near the beginning of the first round.

Not to mention the fact that Randy literally got slammed to the mat by Brock. Believe me...your gonna be feeling a take down like that for a little while. Then Randy spends all that energy working his way back to getting into the top position on Brock only to have Brock easily reverse it by grabbing one leg twisting it sideways then sweeping Randy right back down to the mat. Then Brock just grinds on Randy pushing his arms to the mat with out hardly having to exert a fraction of his full strength.

Randy wasted a ton of energy trying to wrestle, attempting to take Brock down and pressing him up against the cage like that. Brock clearly outwrestled, outsmarted, and out strategerized Randy in my opinion.

I do think Randy would have been better off if he would have tried to keep Brock up on his feet exchanging punches. Brock proved he was no slouch when it came to the striking game in this fight. Though Randy did seem to land more strikes on Brock. But Randy seemed to feel it much more when he got tagged by Brock where as Brock didn't even seem to feel Randy's strikes.

This fight to me proves just how good of an all around fighter Brock has become. Though he did miss a few obvious opportunities to put some brutal submissions on Randy at least a couple of times that I saw. Especially when he had Randy's leg twisted sideways before Brock swept him back down to the mat. And right afterwards when Brock was on top repeatedly pushing and pinning at will Randy's arms flat against the mat. Luckily for Randy it didn't seem that Brock has studied up on his submission wrestling as of yet. If you ask me...it was only because of Brock's lack of experience with submission moves that allowed the fight to go as long as it did.

thats how i saw the fight too, saw it last night on pay per view. brock deserves more credit than most give him, i think his size and strength is a great advantage, i havnt seen anyone his size so agile. but i think broc would get destroyed by Fedor Emelianenko if they were ever to fight. broc needs to work on his stand up striking and submissions.

Rhys
11-16-08, 2:35 pm
Yo Tiny...

So far that is the only clip I've seen of the full fight. Both of us have some solid fight training and experience under our belts. But you are the more experienced one between the two of us by a pretty good margin for sure. You've seen the fight from not only a different angle than me. But you also have much more experience with MMA training than me. So if your seeing stuff that I'm not seeing. Which I sure as hell won't argue with. Then the least you can do is fill me in.

We seem to be thinking and writing about the same thing at the same time...which is pretty cool if you ask me. It seems to me you viewed the fight as a Cotoure fan...I will readily admit I was rootin for Brock all the way. Brock has impressed me since he first came to WWE. I will also admit to being more of a WWE fan than a UFC fan. And my money's been on Brock to dominate the UFC since I first heard he signed.

Randy is a great fighter, and showed tremendous skill in grappling and exchanging blows with Brock. And I'll admit I was a bit surprised at how well Brock exchanged blows with Randy. And like you I was also somewhat surprised that he was using some real strategery fighting Randy.

But I would still be hard to convince that Brock wasn't the better and smarter fighter in that fight. Even if the Angle on that clip isn't really all that good.

And Like brandon cutler says...I to don't think people give Brock enough credit. I don't follow MMA very much so I've never seen Fedor fight or even know who he is. But Brock for sure as hell is not going to be taken lightly by anyone in the UFC. Or the rest of the MMA world for that matter.

mikejones1
11-16-08, 3:34 pm
Yo Tiny...

So far that is the only clip I've seen of the full fight. Both of us have some solid fight training and experience under our belts. But you are the more experienced one between the two of us by a pretty good margin for sure. You've seen the fight from not only a different angle than me. But you also have much more experience with MMA training than me. So if your seeing stuff that I'm not seeing. Which I sure as hell won't argue with. Then the least you can do is fill me in.

We seem to be thinking and writing about the same thing at the same time...which is pretty cool if you ask me. It seems to me you viewed the fight as a Cotoure fan...I will readily admit I was rootin for Brock all the way. Brock has impressed me since he first came to WWE. I will also admit to being more of a WWE fan than a UFC fan. And my money's been on Brock to dominate the UFC since I first heard he signed.

Randy is a great fighter, and showed tremendous skill in grappling and exchanging blows with Brock. And I'll admit I was a bit surprised at how well Brock exchanged blows with Randy. And like you I was also somewhat surprised that he was using some real strategery fighting Randy.

But I would still be hard to convince that Brock wasn't the better and smarter fighter in that fight. Even if the Angle on that clip isn't really all that good.

And Like brandon cutler says...I to don't think people give Brock enough credit. I don't follow MMA very much so I've never seen Fedor fight or even know who he is. But Brock for sure as hell is not going to be taken lightly by anyone in the UFC. Or the rest of the MMA world for that matter.

run a search for fedor on youtube. he has amazing skills for his size. shocks the shit out of me everytime i watch him. the fact that he has never lost a fight is pretty impressive too

Lawnmower Man
11-16-08, 3:48 pm
fedor is a beast

J Wong
11-16-08, 5:52 pm
Now that I've watched the fight a couple of times I have to strongly disagree with the above statements about Randy getting caught off guard. It is very obvious to me the commentators in that video have little to absolute zilch of any kind of fight training whatsoever. But you really do need to have some real expierence with No holds Barred fighting, or wrestling, to really understand what went on in this fight.



Joe Rogan has tons of training, he is a brown belt in BJJ, and hit trainers say he would be a dangerous welterweight, and hits the mitts harder then anybody he has ever trained.

Deaner488
11-16-08, 6:39 pm
Joe Rogan has tons of training, he is a brown belt in BJJ, and hit trainers say he would be a dangerous welterweight, and hits the mitts harder then anybody he has ever trained.

x2 he has rolled with some legit bjj guys. he definitely knows the fight game

prowrestler
11-18-08, 1:32 am
He had training before pro wrestling man, he was an actual college wrestler.

theres no punchin in shool wrestling

i know he has the graplling background and really, pro wrestling is very similar to real wrestling. just we over exagerate and sell moves but the technical aspect is very spot on. we even learn hwo to do the real moves incase its needed with a bad worker in the ring

Tiny
11-18-08, 6:05 pm
Yo Tiny...

So far that is the only clip I've seen of the full fight. Both of us have some solid fight training and experience under our belts. But you are the more experienced one between the two of us by a pretty good margin for sure. You've seen the fight from not only a different angle than me. But you also have much more experience with MMA training than me. So if your seeing stuff that I'm not seeing. Which I sure as hell won't argue with. Then the least you can do is fill me in.

We seem to be thinking and writing about the same thing at the same time...which is pretty cool if you ask me. It seems to me you viewed the fight as a Cotoure fan...I will readily admit I was rootin for Brock all the way. Brock has impressed me since he first came to WWE. I will also admit to being more of a WWE fan than a UFC fan. And my money's been on Brock to dominate the UFC since I first heard he signed.

Randy is a great fighter, and showed tremendous skill in grappling and exchanging blows with Brock. And I'll admit I was a bit surprised at how well Brock exchanged blows with Randy. And like you I was also somewhat surprised that he was using some real strategery fighting Randy.

But I would still be hard to convince that Brock wasn't the better and smarter fighter in that fight. Even if the Angle on that clip isn't really all that good.

And Like brandon cutler says...I to don't think people give Brock enough credit. I don't follow MMA very much so I've never seen Fedor fight or even know who he is. But Brock for sure as hell is not going to be taken lightly by anyone in the UFC. Or the rest of the MMA world for that matter.

Well, true enough, can't argue with any of that. Don't get me wrong, I think Brock is an incredible athlete - I don't want to get in the ring with him (I've got some investment in dental work now and I know he can hit really, really hard). And I thought Brock showed great class and respect when he spoke at his victory. Hey, I just really was hoping to see Randy buck the odds again and prevail - I'm an old guy, too, what can you expect? And, also, I will admit I was mighty sleepy after having waded through all the undercard fights (and some of them were really good, too) so by the time I saw the big fight I may have been under the influence of some impending shut-eye . . . so this is just one grouchy old guy's "opinion."