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Phil800101
05-18-09, 2:56 pm
I figure I'll keep it pretty simple here. I'll post up my workouts, supplements, and diet in here daily, along with my thoughts and observations on the product. I'll also update my weight/stats about 2-3 times a week.

My current split is as follows:

Monday- Chest/Calves/Abs/Cardio
Tuesday- Arms/Cardio
Wednesday- Legs/Abs
Thursday- Shoulders/Cardio
Friday- Back/Calves/Abs/Cardio
Saturday- Off
Sunday- Cardio

I train when I wake up, which is usually late morning.

Here is my current stack:

Pak
Flex
Omega
Uni-Liver
Stak
Project C
Pump (Red Pill Removed)
Beta Ala9
Nitro
ZMA
Intra-Aid
Torrent

Timing is as follows:

Stak- 45 Minutes PWO
Project C- 30 Minutes PWO
Pump(Minus Red Pill)/Beta Ala9- 20 Minutes PWO
Nitro- Immediately PWO
Intra-Aid- During WO
Nitro #2- Immediately after lifting but before cardio.
Torrent- Immediately after cardio.
Pak/Omega/Flex- With meals 1,2, and 3 respectively.
Uni-Liver- 12 daily, split into 3 servings of 4 pills with meals 1,2, and 3 respectively.
Project C #2- Taken sometime in the evening.
ZMA- Taken 30-60 minutes before bed.

Current diet is pretty simple. I eat around 2,500 calories a day, trying to get in at least 1 gram of protein per pound of bodyweight, low-moderate fat, and low-moderate carbs. Two of my meals are protein shakes, with a whole food meal in between them. I drink at least 1 gallon of water a day, usually more. Saturday is a cheat day for me, other than that I don't have any cheat meals during the week.

So that's about it. I'm looking forward to seeing how this goes.

Phil800101
05-18-09, 3:08 pm
Monday 05/18/09

Rest

I just got back from a trip last night, and I needed to catch up on sleep, so I'm shifting my split by one day over this week.

Here are my current stats:

Height: 5'11"
Weight: 285

I don't know what my bodyfat percentage is, but I do know that it is high. I'm sure that it is probably around 20-25 percent. Besides weight, I use the mirror, my clothes, and how I feel to gauge my progress (or the opposite thereof, as was the case several months ago).

Even though it was an off day, I still took my supps on the same schedule that I would follow on a workout day.

So far I've only had one dose of Project C. I definitely felt an energy boost after taking it, and I'm still feeling it even though it's been almost 90 minutes since I took it. With one dose though, it's hard to tell if this feeling is real or just a placebo effect based on my expectations and excitement. I don't think that that is the case at all, though. Time will tell I guess. I'm really looking forward to hitting the gym tomorrow, that is for sure.

C.Coronato
05-18-09, 3:16 pm
Looking good. Get going on that C, im interested to see results!

Little Z
05-18-09, 3:24 pm
THERE HE IS!

Been waiting for this log to pop up brother!

Good to see ya..

machineman
05-18-09, 3:33 pm
subbed....

belladiabla13
05-18-09, 4:52 pm
Monday 05/18/09

Rest

I just got back from a trip last night, and I needed to catch up on sleep, so I'm shifting my split by one day over this week.

Here are my current stats:

Height: 5'11"
Weight: 285

I don't know what my bodyfat percentage is, but I do know that it is high. I'm sure that it is probably around 20-25 percent. Besides weight, I use the mirror, my clothes, and how I feel to gauge my progress (or the opposite thereof, as was the case several months ago).

Even though it was an off day, I still took my supps on the same schedule that I would follow on a workout day.

So far I've only had one dose of Project C. I definitely felt an energy boost after taking it, and I'm still feeling it even though it's been almost 90 minutes since I took it. With one dose though, it's hard to tell if this feeling is real or just a placebo effect based on my expectations and excitement. I don't think that that is the case at all, though. Time will tell I guess. I'm really looking forward to hitting the gym tomorrow, that is for sure.

If you're interested, here is a link to calculate body fat http://www.scientificpsychic.com/fitness/diet.html
Best of luck!!

Little Z
05-18-09, 6:44 pm
If you're interested, here is a link to calculate body fat http://www.scientificpsychic.com/fitness/diet.html
Best of luck!!

i definitely do not like the results from that.. hahahah

im gonna have to see about going and getting a full test at the Y..

machineman
05-18-09, 6:48 pm
i definitely do not like the results from that.. hahahah

im gonna have to see about going and getting a full test at the Y..

haha.....this is what it said for me!!!!

Body Mass Index: 32.0 kg/m2
Waist-to-Height ratio: 0.51
Percent Body Fat: 16.3%
Lean Body Mass: 213.7 lb

You are overweight by 25.8 kilograms (56.8 pounds)
Minimum caloric requirements: 2466 Calories per day
Limit your food intake to 2096 calories per day.
to lose 2.7 pounds per month.
Your diet should contain at least 126 grams of protein per day.

Little Z
05-18-09, 6:49 pm
haha.....this is what it said for me!!!!

Body Mass Index: 32.0 kg/m2
Waist-to-Height ratio: 0.51
Percent Body Fat: 16.3%
Lean Body Mass: 213.7 lb

You are overweight by 25.8 kilograms (56.8 pounds)
Minimum caloric requirements: 2466 Calories per day
Limit your food intake to 2096 calories per day.
to lose 2.7 pounds per month.
Your diet should contain at least 126 grams of protein per day.


do they really take the waist measurement from across the navel for men?

machineman
05-18-09, 6:50 pm
do they really take the waist measurement from across the navel for men?

I have no idea....I just put in what size jeans I wear....probably not accurate, but close enough for me!!

Little Z
05-18-09, 6:51 pm
I have no idea....I just put in what size jeans I wear....probably not accurate, but close enough for me!!

thats what i consider my waist.. where my jeans sit, i dont wear them around my navel.. lol

ive got a gut, if i took the measurements from my navel.. the results were CRAZY haha.. but my pants size seemed more realistic..

who knows.. im gonna get an accurate test done..

Phil800101
05-26-09, 2:51 am
Looking good. Get going on that C, im interested to see results!

I like what I see so far.


THERE HE IS!

Been waiting for this log to pop up brother!

Good to see ya..

Thanks bro!


subbed....

Welcome aboard!


If you're interested, here is a link to calculate body fat http://www.scientificpsychic.com/fitness/diet.html
Best of luck!!

Thanks for the link!


i definitely do not like the results from that.. hahahah

im gonna have to see about going and getting a full test at the Y..


haha.....this is what it said for me!!!!

Body Mass Index: 32.0 kg/m2
Waist-to-Height ratio: 0.51
Percent Body Fat: 16.3%
Lean Body Mass: 213.7 lb

You are overweight by 25.8 kilograms (56.8 pounds)
Minimum caloric requirements: 2466 Calories per day
Limit your food intake to 2096 calories per day.
to lose 2.7 pounds per month.
Your diet should contain at least 126 grams of protein per day.

Lol, yeah, that thing is a little off.

Phil800101
05-26-09, 4:06 am
Update coming on Tuesday...

machineman
05-26-09, 5:58 am
so what are your overall impressions so far, Phil? I am really digging this stuff....would like to run another 3 weeks!!!

naturalguy
05-26-09, 9:45 am
Update coming on Tuesday...

Looking forward to it

Phil800101
05-27-09, 3:07 am
so what are your overall impressions so far, Phil? I am really digging this stuff....would like to run another 3 weeks!!!



Looking forward to it


All will be revealed shortly...

Phil800101
05-27-09, 3:10 am
Sorry about the lack of updates. Life caught up with me and I have been busy as all hell lately. Things have quieted down, and now I should be able to update daily.

Phil800101
05-27-09, 3:14 am
Tuesday 5/19/09

Chest/Calves/Abs

Flat BB Bench Press
Warmups with bar.
135 x 12
185 x 10
225 x 4, then 2 forced
185 x 8, then 2 forced
135 x 12

Incline DB Flyes
20s x 12
35s x 10
50s x 8
35s x 10
20s x 12

Pec Deck (Dropset)
150 x 8, 100 x 10, 50 x 12

Standing Calf Raises/Crunches (Superset)
300 x 8; 25
300 x 8; 25
300 x 8; 25
300 x 8; 25

Cardio- Indoor Track, 30 Minutes
Walked some laps, jogged some others.

Phil800101
05-27-09, 3:18 am
Wednesday 5/20/09

Arms

DB Preacher Curls
15s x 12
25s x 10
35s x 8
25s x 10
15s x 12

One-Arm Cable Pushdowns
60 x 12
70 x 10
80 x 8
70 x 10
60 x 12

Standing Cable Curls
110 x 12
130 x 10
150 x 8
130 x 10
110 x 12

V-Bar Cable Pullovers
110 x 12
130 x 10
150 x 8
130 x 10
110 x 12

Concentration Curls (Dropset)
30 x 8, 25 x 8, 20 x 6, 15 x 8, 10 x 10

V-Bar Cable Pushdowns (Dropset)
150 x 8, 130 x 8, 110 x 8, 90 x 8, 70 x 8

Seated Grip Machine
90 x 12
90 x 12
90 x 12
90 x 12
90 x 12

Cardio- Indoor Track, 30 Minutes
Walked around the track, decent pace.

Phil800101
05-27-09, 3:22 am
Thursday 5/21/09

Legs

Lying Leg Curls
110 x 12
130 x 10
150 x 8
130 x 10
110 x 12

Leg Extensions
110 x 12
130 x 10
150 x 8
130 x 10
110 x 12

Seated Leg Curls
110 x 12
130 x 10
150 x 4
130 x 8
110 x 12

Leg Press
540 x 12
360 x 16
360 x 16
360 x 16
360 x 16

(After the first set, my hammies were starting to cramp very painfully, so I dropped the weight and went for reps).

Leg Press Calf Raises (Dropset)
450 x 25, 360 x 25, 270 x 25, 180 x 25, 90 x 25

Phil800101
05-27-09, 3:23 am
Friday 5/22/09

Rest

Weight: 281 Pounds (-4 pounds from 5/18)

Phil800101
05-27-09, 3:27 am
Sat 5/23/09

Shoulders

Shoulder Torture Super Dropset (Done With Plates)
(Seated Front Raises, Seated Side Lateral Raises, Bent-Over Rear Delt Lateral Raises)

Round 1: 25 x 8, 4, 8; 10 x 8, 8, 8; 5 x 8, 8, 8

Round 2: 25 x 8, 4, 8; 10 x 8, 8, 8; 5 x 8, 8, 8

Round 3: 10 x 8, 8, 8; 5 x 8, 8, 8; 2.5 x 8, 8, 8

Round 4: 10 x 8, 8, 8; 5 x 8, 8, 8; 2.5 x 8, 8, 8

ABC's (Spelling Out Letters In Air With Plate)

25 Pound Plate, A-Z x 1

Plate-Loaded Machine Shrugs
270 x 8
270 x 8
270 x 8
270 x 8

Phil800101
05-27-09, 3:30 am
Sun 5/24/09

Back/Calves/Abs

BB Deadlifts
135 x 12
225 x 10
315 x 8
225 x 10
135 x 12

T-Bar Rows
45 x 12
90 x 10
135 x 8
90 x 10
45 x 12

Seated Cable Rows
120 x 12
140 x 10
160 x 8
140 x 10
120 x 12

Wide-Grip Cable Lat Pulldowns
110 x 12
130 x 10
150 x 8
130 x 10
110 x 12

Powersquat Calf Raises
360 x 8
360 x 8
360 x 8
360 x 8
360 x 8

Machine Crunches
25
25
25
25

Cardio- Indoor Track, 30 Minutes
Walked around the track, decent pace.

Phil800101
05-27-09, 3:31 am
Mon 5/25/09

Rest?

Got up ridiculously early to go and march in a memorial day parade. The route was over a mile, so I am calling it cardio, lol.

Phil800101
05-27-09, 3:34 am
Tuesday 5/26/09

Chest/Calves/Abs

Incline BB Bench Press
Warmups with bar.
135 x 12
155 x 10
175 x 8
195 x 6

Flat DB Flyes
30s x 12
40s x 10
50s x 8
60s x 6

Seated Chest Press (Dropset)
250 x 6, 200 x 6, 150 x 8, 100 x 10

Seated Cable Flyes (Dropset)
80 x 8, 60 x 4, 40 x 6, 20 x 16

Seated Calf Raises
150 x 8
150 x 8
150 x 8
150 x 8

Machine Crunches
25
25
25
25

Cardio- Indoor Track, 30 Minutes
Jogged a lap, then walked a lap for 15 laps (1.5 miles), then just walked the rest of the time.

Phil800101
05-27-09, 3:39 am
So far, I am loving Project C!

It gives me a huge energy boost for training (which I do shortly after waking in the morning),which stays with me through my workouts. Furthermore, while I am working out I feel like I am sweating more. I've lost at least four pounds on the scale already, and I look and feel a little leaner. I am really looking forward to seeing how the rest of this test goes for me, and from what I've seen already it should be good.

Phil800101
05-27-09, 2:46 pm
Wednesday 5/27/09

Arms

Standing BB Curls
60 x 12
70 x 10
80 x 8
90 x 6

Seated Dips
110 x 12
140 x 10
170 x 8
200 x 6

Hammer Curls
20s x 12
25s x 10
30s x 8
35s x 6

Floor Skullcrushers
60 x 12
70 x 10
80 x 8
90 x 6

Standing Cable Curls (Dropset)
160 x 4, 120 x 6, 80 x 8

V-Bar Cable Pushdowns (Dropset)
160 x 8, 130 x 8, 100 x 8

Cardio- Indoor Track, 30 Minutes
Jogged a lap, then walked a lap for 15 laps (1.5 miles), then just walked the rest of the time.

Forearm work with grippers in the car on the way home.

Little Z
05-27-09, 4:08 pm
THERES THE UPDATES IVE BEEN LOOKIN FOR!


solid work bro!

GORILLA WARRIOR
05-27-09, 8:14 pm
good stuff bro.. I am enjoying it so far too.

GORILLA WARRIOR
05-27-09, 8:15 pm
So far, I am loving Project C!

It gives me a huge energy boost for training (which I do shortly after waking in the morning),which stays with me through my workouts. Furthermore, while I am working out I feel like I am sweating more. I've lost at least four pounds on the scale already, and I look and feel a little leaner. I am really looking forward to seeing how the rest of this test goes for me, and from what I've seen already it should be good.

I am sweating more as well

Phil800101
05-30-09, 2:47 am
THERES THE UPDATES IVE BEEN LOOKIN FOR!


solid work bro!

Thanks bro! I appreciate the support.


good stuff bro.. I am enjoying it so far too.


I am sweating more as well

Thanks my man! Oh yeah, it is solid.

Phil800101
05-30-09, 2:51 am
Thursday 5/28/09

Legs/Abs

Leg Extensions
100 x 12
120 x 10
140 x 8
160 x 6

BB Squats
Warmups with bar
135 x 12
195 x 10
255 x 8
315 x 3

Seated Leg Curls
90 x 12
110 x 10
130 x 8
150 x 6

Lying Leg Curls
90 x 12
110 x 10
130 x 8
150 x 6

Leg Press (Dropset)
540 x 8, 450 x 6, 360 x 8, 270 x 10, 180 x 12

Hamstring Presses (Dropset)
450 x 8, 360 x 6, 270 x 8, 180 x 10, 90 x 12

Leg Press Calf Raises
360 x 25
360 x 25
360 x 25
360 x 25

Crunches
25
25
25
25

Phil800101
05-30-09, 2:54 am
Friday 5/29/09

Shoulders

Seated BB Shoulder Press
Warmups with bar
115 x 12
135 x 10
155 x 5, then 1 assisted
175 x 1, then 1 assisted
135 x 6

Standing DB Side Lateral Raises
20s x 12
25s x 10
30s x 8
35s x 6

Bent-Over DB Side Lateral Raises
20s x 12
25s x 10
30s x 8
35s x 6

DB Shrugs
80 x 12
90 x 10
100 x 8
110 x 6

Phil800101
05-30-09, 2:55 am
Friday 5/29/09

Evening Cardio

Indoor Track, 30 Minutes
Jogged a lap, then walked a lap for 15 laps (1.5 miles), then just walked the rest of the time.

Phil800101
05-30-09, 12:52 pm
Saturday 5/30/09

Weight: 281

No change on the weight from last week. However, I look leaner in the mirror and feel leaner as well (clothes are a little looser).

Project C is still having the same effects on me, which is to say that I am absolutely loving the stuff.

About 20-30 minutes after taking it, I find myself getting an energy boost which lasts for an hour or two, sometimes a little more. This boost in energy seems to wear off gradually, without any kind of crash or rapid change in energy level, which is definitely a plus.

With Project C I have more energy for my workouts, which means I can hit it harder. I lift pretty much right after I wake up, so Project C helps me to shake off any lethargy I might be feeling on any given morning. Previously, there were some days where I would find myself still feeling tired until I was several sets into my workout. With Project C, I'm hitting the gym ready to kill it.

I am also noticing a warm sensation that occurs in conjunction with the energy boost, and lasts for roughly the same amount of time. Basically, I just feel warmer, but not in any kind of negative way. It feels good.

While working out, whether it be lifting or cardio, I also seem to be sweating more than I normally would be. I start sweating sooner than I normally would, and I am sweating more than usual in terms of volume. This is with my normal level of intensity, wearing the same clothes as usual, and with the gym being at the same relative temperature.

Phil800101
05-31-09, 2:19 pm
Sunday 5/31/09

Back/Calves/Abs

Assisted Pull-Ups
150 x 6
150 x 6
150 x 6
150 x 6

Bent-Over BB Rows
Warmup with bar
135 x 12
155 x 10
175 x 8
195 x 6

Machine Pullovers
110 x 12
140 x 10
170 x 8
200 x 6

Seated Plate-Loaded Single-Arm Rows
45 x 12
60 x 10
75 x 8
90 x 6

Rack Pulls
Warmup with bar
135 x 12
195 x 10
255 x 8
315 x 6

Calf-Extensions (Slow Reps)
180 x 12
180 x 12
180 x 12
180 x 12

Machine Crunches
30
30
30
30

Cardio later.

Phil800101
06-01-09, 3:40 am
Sunday 5/31/09

No cardio...

I had to go somewhere, and got home later than I expected. No time for cardio. Damn.

J-Dawg
06-01-09, 10:35 am
Looking good in here Phil. Keep up that hard work.

C.Coronato
06-01-09, 12:10 pm
Looking strong for sure. Keep it up my man.

Phil800101
06-01-09, 2:45 pm
Looking good in here Phil. Keep up that hard work.

Thanks J! Will do my good man.


Looking strong for sure. Keep it up my man.

Thanks bro! That is the plan.

Phil800101
06-01-09, 2:52 pm
Monday 6/1/09

Chest

Flat DB Bench Press/Incline DB Flyes (Alternating Sets)
55s x 12; 25s x 12
65s x 10; 35s x 10
75s x 8; 45s x 8
65s x 10; 35s x 10
55s x 12; 25s x 12

Cardio- Indoor Track, 30 Minutes
Walked around the track, quick pace.

Kept it nice and simple today. Took my time, and got really solid reps on all sets. Chest is feeling it already. Laid off the calves and abs since I hit them yesterday.

Phil800101
06-02-09, 2:31 pm
Tuesday 6/2/09

Arms

Hammer-Strength Plate-Loaded Preacher Curls
60 x 12
70 x 10
80 x 7
70 x 10
60 x 12

Smith Machine Close-Grip Bench Press
Warmup with bar
135 x 12
155 x 10
175 x 8
155 x 10
135 x 12

Concentration Curls
10 x 12
20 x 10
30 x 8
20 x 10
10 x 12

V-Bar Standing Cable Pullovers
120 x 12
140 x 10
160 x 8
140 x 10
120 x 12

Hammer Curls
20s x 12
30s x 10
40s x 8
30s x 10
20s x 12

Assisted Dips (More Weight = More Assistance)
120 x 12
100 x 8
80 x 5
100 x 4
120 x 8

Seated BB Wrist Curls/Seated BB Reverse Wrist Curls (Superset)
45 x 10; 45 x 10
45 x 10; 45 x 10
45 x 10; 45 x 10
45 x 10; 45 x 10

Cardio- Indoor Track, 30 Minutes
Walked around the track, quick pace.

I wanted to jog, but my calf muscles were so damn sore that I couldn't swing it. I really msut have burned the hell out of em' with the slow rep calf extensions on Sunday.

machineman
06-02-09, 7:00 pm
looking good, Phil.....keep up the hard work....

Phil800101
06-03-09, 3:29 am
looking good, Phil.....keep up the hard work....

Thanks bro! Will do.

Phil800101
06-03-09, 2:42 pm
Wednesday 6/3/09

Legs

Lying Leg Curls
110 x 12
130 x 10
150 x 8
130 x 10
110 x 12

Leg Extensions
110 x 12
130 x 10
150 x 8
130 x 10
110 x 12

Seated Leg Curls
110 x 12
130 x 10
150 x 8
130 x 10
110 x 12

BB Squats
Warmup with bar
135 x 12
225 x 10
315 x 5
225 x 10
135 x 12

Stiff-Legged Deadlifts
135 x 12
135 x 12
135 x 12
135 x 12
135 x 12

Leg Press
360 x 12
450 x 10
540 x 8
450 x 10
360 x 12

Leg Press Calf Raises
360 x 12
360 x 12
360 x 12
360 x 12

Wheels are destroyed. I am really feeling it already.

Abs later.

Phil800101
06-04-09, 4:15 am
Wednesday 6/3/09 (Technically Thursday 6/4/09)

Abs

Crunches
30
30
30
30

Leg Lifts (Static Holds, 6" From Ground)
20 Seconds
20 Seconds
20 Seconds
20 Seconds

Phil800101
06-04-09, 3:05 pm
Thursday 6/4/09

Shoulders

Smith Machine Shoulder Press
Warmup with bar
135 x 12
155 x 10
175 x 8
155 x 6
135 x 12

DB Upright Rows
15s x 12
25s x 10
35s x 8
25s x 10
15s x 12

Reverse Pec Deck
75 x 12
100 x 10
125 x 8
100 x 10
75 x 12

Plate-Loaded Machine Shrugs
90 x 12
180 x 10
270 x 8
180 x 10
90 x 12

Cardio- Indoor Track, 30 Minutes
Jogged a lap, then walked a lap for 15 laps (1.5 miles), then just walked the rest of the time.

Phil800101
06-05-09, 4:16 pm
Friday 6/5/09

Back/Calves

One-Arm DB Rows
80 x 12
90 x 10
100 x 8
90 x 10
80 x 12

Hammer Strength Plate-Loaded Pullovers
120 x 12
150 x 10
180 x 8
150 x 10
120 x 12

Seated Machine Rows
80 x 12
100 x 10
120 x 8
100 x 10
80 x 12

Assisted Pull-Ups (Weight = Assistance)
180 x 6
180 x 5
180 x 5
180 x 6
180 x 5

BB Deadlifts
135 x 12
135 x 12
135 x 12
135 x 12
135 x 12

Powersquat Calf Raises
360 x 12
360 x 12
360 x 12
360 x 12
360 x 12

Cardio and abs later.

Phil800101
06-06-09, 6:11 am
Went to see my friends' band play, haven't seen them play in a long time. Got home much later than expected, so cardio/abs will be hit on Saturday.

Phil800101
06-07-09, 1:50 am
Saturday 6/6/09

Cardio/Abs

Walk, 30 Minutes
Took a brisk walk areound my neighborhood, enjoying the weather.

Crunches
25
25
25
25

Leg Lifts (Static Hold, 6" From Ground)
25 Seconds
25 Seconds
25 Seconds
25 Seconds

Shamus11B
06-07-09, 2:04 am
I bet you were feeling those last couple leg lift holds.

Phil800101
06-07-09, 5:43 am
I bet you were feeling those last couple leg lift holds.

Oh yeah, always do. Thanks for stoppping by bro!

shortstack
06-07-09, 10:52 am
Just checking out the log. Your leg stuff is crazy dude. No way I could hit that many legs Plus calves and then hit calves again later in the week. Nice.

Keep up the good work bro.

See ya around,

Jeremy

Phil800101
06-07-09, 1:42 pm
Just checking out the log. Your leg stuff is crazy dude. No way I could hit that many legs Plus calves and then hit calves again later in the week. Nice.

Keep up the good work bro.

See ya around,

Jeremy

Thanks Jeremy! Yeah, I have to beat the living crap outta my legs in order to get a response out of them. Will do bro.

Phil800101
06-08-09, 2:34 am
Sunday 6/7/09

Rest

Woke up, relaxed, then went to work. Finished up my can of Project C. Final report & weight tomorrow.

Phil800101
06-08-09, 3:27 pm
Monday 6/8/09

Final Weight: 279
Starting Weight: 285

Six pound loss, three weeks. Not too shabby.

Final thoughts here: http://forum.animalpak.com/showthread.php?t=25870