View Full Version : brock lesnar vs shane carwin (MMA)
ZombiePower
06-20-10, 8:52 pm
whats you guys thoughts about this upcoming event?who do you think will win?and why?
I think that this is one of the greatest heavy weight fights in a long time brock is all about power and out manuvering his opponents if youve had an inside look in his camp you would understand why his ground game is so deadly plus his power and striking ability in standing combat hes just a well rounded heavy weight and shane carwin one of the most amazing heavyweights ive have ever seen i mean what can you say? nothing his record and fighting says it all.I think that its a fair fight i cant really tell whos gonna win but if i honestly had to choose someone it would be brock.because i know more about him and his training and what hes capable of.
Girevik 69
06-23-10, 2:04 pm
I, for one, cannot wait for someone to dethrone Brock; his background in pro wrestling just bugs the shit out of me. That being said, I still recognize Lesnar's legit athletic and fighting skills--he was a collegiate wrestler with a formidable record, and he has really good MMA coaches, like Erick Paulson.
Shane Carwin has some brutal power, but, as a friend of mine commented a while back:
"Carwin is a truck, but Lesnar is a train."
I for one think this will be a short fight with these two behemoth's firing off on one another. Allegedly Shane's glove size is one up over Brock's. The hammer's are gonna fly. I don't think the fight will go to the ground, at least right away. Carwin in Round 1.
ZombiePower
06-23-10, 10:03 pm
60% chance it'll go to the ground and if it does shanes in trouble cause brocks training camp ive only seen big dudes do ground game and that what they kind of specialize in so brocks ground game is actually superior to shanes
HIGA MONSTER
07-03-10, 2:58 am
Carwin
Leben
"Lights out" Lytle
Krzysztof
Sotiropoulous
Schaub
Kendall Grove needs a win bad, so I am rooting for the Hawai'i boy. If not, I think the UFC may cut him. They are not even showing him on the free prelims on SPIKE. IMO
Brock looked LEAN tonight at the weigh-in. Holy shit, I can't wait for that fight.
HIGA MONSTER
Kendall Grove needs a win bad, so I am rooting for the Hawai'i boy. If not, I think the UFC may cut him. They are not even showing him on the free prelims on SPIKE. IMO
He just won @ 112, but if he loses tonight he will most likely being cut. He was supposed to be on Spike prelims, but he bad mouthed Spike TV on a radio show and was demoted to the untelevised prelims.
Carwin
Sexyama
Lytle
Bonnar
Sotiropolous
Schaub
Petruzelli
Grove
Harris
Roberts
Madsen
Enforcer
07-03-10, 11:13 am
All I know is I cant wait to watch this one tonight. BBQ all day, eat like a king, and then chill out and get to watch that. Happy 4th to me...lol. Got to go with my boy Lesner here, taking nothing from Carwin, just got to go with my fav. out of the two.
Joseph V
07-03-10, 11:20 am
everybody says no one can go 2 rounds with carwin..but im sure brock can..so once that is over and thats if brock can do it..it all sets down any bets for whos gonna win
so heres my take...
if brock goes past the 1st round and kicks decent ass in the 2nd..im sure hes gonna win
you know there is a saying....IF YA WANNA BE A CHAMP,..YA GOTTA KNOCK EM OUT...im sure carwin wont do that..and if he does then its embarassing for brock lesnar
stormin
07-03-10, 11:30 am
Brock looked LEAN tonight at the weigh-in. Holy shit, I can't wait for that fight.
HIGA MONSTER
You're right Higa, never seen him look that ripped ...... but I'm still thinking Carwin.
Seems like a decent card. Your boy Grove best be ready if he wants to stay in the big leagues.
you know there is a saying....IF YA WANNA BE A CHAMP,..YA GOTTA KNOCK EM OUT...im sure carwin wont do that..and if he does then its embarassing for brock lesnar
If Carwin wins, it will be by KO. There is no way he will take 3 rounds out of 5. Lesnar is too good of a wrestler.
Lesnar- 3rd Round, TKO
Nuff' said...
IN IRON,
BB-
Joseph V
07-03-10, 5:38 pm
you want my prediction...
both fighters will start the fight head on and and begin with a little boxing match to see who can take more until one needs to take the need to bring it to the mat and wrestle
but ultimately its gonna end with a ko...i know it and everybody knows it
Let's go Lesnar........
Sad i won't be watchin I'll have to follow online or something.
HIGA MONSTER
07-04-10, 2:20 am
I was sick that Carwin couldn't finish, but hats off to Brock.
Carwin needed to finish him in the 1st round. I told my buddy, "Carwin has never gone past the 1st round, so now the pressure is on him."
BAM. Brock gets those frickin pythons on him so early in the round, and you knew he wasn't gonna let go.
The Akiyama vs Leben fight was AWESOME!
How about the "American Psycho"? Big win for him! Way to go for the old guys in the UFC.
Gerald Harris TKO was also AWESOME. He slammed the shit outta that guy.
Gotta feeling Brock is gonna hold onto the belt for a while, cause I think he will handle Cain with no problem.
I would love to see Brock and Junior Dos Santos fight after that!
On a side note, my sister in law text my wife saying that she was sitting in a diner next to Randy Couture in Utah tonight! She asked him how come he wasn't in Vegas, and he said "that the circus was in town" so he and 7 other buddies went on a motorcycle road trip.
She took a picture with him, and then DELETED it. Fuckin dumbass sister in law!
My wife said, "good thing you married the right sister".
If it was Edward Cullen from Twilight, she would have filled her smart card with all the pictures. I need to Anaconda Choke her next time I see her.
HIGA MONSTER
OVERCOME19
07-04-10, 2:24 am
that first round was scary for brock, have no idea how he made it, deff thought the ref was gonna call it any second in that 2 minute straight beatdown....and i know no one thought the fight would come down to a victory to a choke....fuck brock really surprised cant wait to see you and cain!
Great fight night.
Josh Rosenthal made an excellent call not to stop the Lesnar-Carwin fight in the first round. Clearly Brock was getting beat up. But the choke he layed on him in the 2nd was simply a great athletic move. After the fight he didn't act like a dbag and he gained back the respect of the fans.
I'm most impressed by Chris Leben and his win over Akiyama. Takes the fight on 2 week notice ater he just won a tough fight. Both times the underdog. That dude can take a punch. Doesn't know how to quit !
Jon_Blaze
07-04-10, 8:15 am
Great night of fights. Everybody performed very well.
Girevik 69
07-04-10, 7:36 pm
I was sick that Carwin couldn't finish, but hats off to Brock.
Carwin needed to finish him in the 1st round. I told my buddy, "Carwin has never gone past the 1st round, so now the pressure is on him."
BAM. Brock gets those frickin pythons on him so early in the round, and you knew he wasn't gonna let go.
Brock has obviously benefitted greatly from his training with Erik Paulson.
Gerald Harris TKO was also AWESOME. He slammed the shit outta that guy.
That guy is Dave Branch, who's a talented fighter in his own right. It was Branch's UFC debut; I think we will see great things from him in the future.
ZombiePower
07-04-10, 9:27 pm
wow i saw that man herald harris bombed his ass his guard was to good man fuck that was some serious shit and brock hell yeah thats my boy gotta give it up to him bro good fight but shane carwin ended up losing
bigweights74
07-04-10, 10:30 pm
I personally cannot stand Brock Lesnar. He is a monstor but I just cannot find a reason to like the guy. In my opinion the fight would have been stopped with anyone else would have been layin there gettin pounded on like that. I don't know much about Shane he is a regular guy from what it seems. He has a full time job and has kids and a family and has to bust his ass for everything he gets. To me Brock got handed the belt and I hate to say it but the UFC gets more political every day!!!!
HIGA MONSTER
07-05-10, 3:13 am
http://www.mmanews.com/news/88311
2 Fight of the night bonuses were given!
HIGA MONSTER
Girevik 69
07-05-10, 11:02 am
I personally cannot stand Brock Lesnar. He is a monstor but I just cannot find a reason to like the guy. In my opinion the fight would have been stopped with anyone else would have been layin there gettin pounded on like that. I don't know much about Shane he is a regular guy from what it seems. He has a full time job and has kids and a family and has to bust his ass for everything he gets. To me Brock got handed the belt and I hate to say it but the UFC gets more political every day!!!!
Hell, I'm still annoyed by how Brock grabbed the fence, to keep from being taken down by Randy Couture, during their fight...
Joseph V
07-05-10, 2:54 pm
Hell, I'm still annoyed by how Brock grabbed the fence, to keep from being taken down by Randy Couture, during their fight...
think about it ...the rule is if your not defending then the fight has to be stopped..i didnt see the fight but if he was defending himself fairly easy in that first round then the ref had every right to let the fight go on
think about it ...the rule is if your not defending then the fight has to be stopped..i didnt see the fight but if he was defending himself fairly easy in that first round then the ref had every right to let the fight go on
His hands and forearms were covering him up, and ever few punches brock would lunge back or kick carwin off... no reason for it to be stopped.
IN IRON,
BB-
Joseph V
07-05-10, 3:35 pm
His hands and forearms were covering him up, and ever few punches brock would lunge back or kick carwin off... no reason for it to be stopped.
IN IRON,
BB-
thank you for putting detail to my answer =)...if you can defend then theres no reason to stop
just because the guy is throwing bombss at you doesnt mean the fight has to be stpped unless your not defending
defense is the best offence, and thats how brock won in the 2nd round submission
T o m m Y
07-05-10, 3:35 pm
Chris Leben vs Yoshihiro Akiyama was a AWSOME fight..Chris is getting better and better every fight..I like this dude alot..He has a iron chin and when he is in trouble he gets more dangerous lol..Ha..watch out for this dude..Maybe he can get a title shot down the road i hope..
Leben vs Vandalia Silva..i hope this happpen..This will be a VERY good fight..
T o m m Y
07-05-10, 3:42 pm
Edit: Wanderlei Silva
thank you for putting detail to my answer =)...if you can defend then theres no reason to stop
just because the guy is throwing bombss at you doesnt mean the fight has to be stpped unless your not defending
defense is the best offence, and thats how brock won in the 2nd round submission
No prob man. Carwin did pop Lesnar a few times, but Carwin's cardio SUCKS!!! He doesnt train for fights longer than 5 minutes. You could tell each shot was getting weaker and weaker. Lesnar was curled up, hands and arms over face ABSORBING most of those blows, not taking severe damage at all... some shots got through but Lesnar had time to recoop after each one. His ground game is awesome.. hence the wrestling background, and he is so big he can just ball up like an Armadillo and take a beating and still be safe. But yeah, after like 10 or 15 shots, he would explode and kick carwin back about 3 feet.. then eventually worked back up to standing and almost had a takedown at the end of round 1. Lesnars conditioning, decently tough chin, and ground game won the fight.
IN IRON,
BB-
Chris Leben vs Yoshihiro Akiyama was a AWSOME fight..Chris is getting better and better every fight..I like this dude alot..He has a iron chin and when he is in trouble he gets more dangerous lol..Ha..watch out for this dude..Maybe he can get a title shot down the road i hope..
Leben vs Vandalia Silva..i hope this happpen..This will be a VERY good fight..
I have been watching him since the Ultimate Fighter. He is definitely getting better each and every fight. I agree that a fight with Silva would be excellent!!
T o m m Y
07-05-10, 4:40 pm
I have been watching him since the Ultimate Fighter. He is definitely getting better each and every fight. I agree that a fight with Silva would be excellent!!
I have been reading just now that dana white said it is not going to happen anytime soon...FUCK..
I have been reading just now that dana white said it is not going to happen anytime soon...FUCK..
Its probably because Wanderlei is on his last legs as a fighter. He's had some nasty knockouts as of recently and Dana must me saving him for a good last fight or two.
T o m m Y
07-05-10, 5:22 pm
Its probably because Wanderlei is on his last legs as a fighter. He's had some nasty knockouts as of recently and Dana must me saving him for a good last fight or two.
He is having knee surgery and will be out for at least 6 months..Wanderlei said he does want to fight leben tho when he is at 100%...cant wait..
Girevik 69
07-05-10, 6:20 pm
His ground game is awesome.. hence the wrestling background...
It's not just his wrestling background--it's also the fact that he's got good MMA/BJJ coaches, and thus he's learning the submission game, obviously.
Joseph V
07-05-10, 6:40 pm
No prob man. Carwin did pop Lesnar a few times, but Carwin's cardio SUCKS!!! He doesnt train for fights longer than 5 minutes. You could tell each shot was getting weaker and weaker. Lesnar was curled up, hands and arms over face ABSORBING most of those blows, not taking severe damage at all... some shots got through but Lesnar had time to recoop after each one. His ground game is awesome.. hence the wrestling background, and he is so big he can just ball up like an Armadillo and take a beating and still be safe. But yeah, after like 10 or 15 shots, he would explode and kick carwin back about 3 feet.. then eventually worked back up to standing and almost had a takedown at the end of round 1. Lesnars conditioning, decently tough chin, and ground game won the fight.
IN IRON,
BB-
ppl on youtube swear lesnar sucks balls still...its so weird?.
HIGA MONSTER
07-06-10, 2:14 am
His hands and forearms were covering him up, and ever few punches brock would lunge back or kick carwin off... no reason for it to be stopped.
IN IRON,
BB-
I agree.
I wanted Carwin to win, but I don't think it should have been stopped in the 1st round.
Carwin didn't finish him. A couple shots/elbows came through, but most of them were blocked by Brock's hands/forearms. IMO
The pressure was on Carwin to come out and finish him in the 2nd round, since he hadn't been past the 1st in all his fights. IMO Seem liked he was so gassed, that he got taken down easily in the 2nd.
HIGA MONSTER
Jon_Blaze
07-06-10, 3:08 am
The problem, Carwin said, wasn't his cardio but his body locking up and getting tense when he thought he was winning. He put more effort than he should've when he was raining down the punches. Also I've watched it, and Shane only landed 2 good punches, everything else was blocked. I believe if Shane had landed another 2 more good shots in, he would've won the fight.
That said, I like Brock Lesnar. He plays a great bad guy and he's a down to earth guy himself, he just never shows it. Yoshihiro Akiyama needs to boost his cardio also.
And Gerald Harris had a sweet power bomb!
HIGA MONSTER
07-06-10, 10:35 am
Akiyama deserved to lose after coming out to that weak ass shit music!
At least come out to some Wu-Tang Clan or DMX "what's my name?" to make it seem like you are ruff! C'mon now!
LOL
HIGA MONSTER
prowrestler
07-06-10, 3:20 pm
brock > all.
HIGA MONSTER
07-07-10, 11:08 am
Sheesh, Brock made some coin last Saturday!
I believe this does not include the Bonuses (KO of the night, Sub of the night, Fight of the nights for 2 fights)
http://www.mmanews.com/news/88320
HIGA MONSTER
bigweights74
07-07-10, 7:02 pm
No prob man. Carwin did pop Lesnar a few times, but Carwin's cardio SUCKS!!! He doesnt train for fights longer than 5 minutes. You could tell each shot was getting weaker and weaker. Lesnar was curled up, hands and arms over face ABSORBING most of those blows, not taking severe damage at all... some shots got through but Lesnar had time to recoop after each one. His ground game is awesome.. hence the wrestling background, and he is so big he can just ball up like an Armadillo and take a beating and still be safe. But yeah, after like 10 or 15 shots, he would explode and kick carwin back about 3 feet.. then eventually worked back up to standing and almost had a takedown at the end of round 1. Lesnars conditioning, decently tough chin, and ground game won the fight.
IN IRON,
BB-
Yes Carwin did pop Lesnar quite a few times!!! Maybe because I cant stand Brock it looked different to me but I thought Carwin was putting a pounding on Lesnar for quite some time!!!! I guarntee though that Carwin hit Lesnar with about 5 or 6 strait hard ass punches and maybe a few elbows. I dont know to me it just feels like it was a little more than just a few punches just my opinion so lets not all jump me for an opinion.
Jon_Blaze
07-08-10, 2:53 am
Yeah the $400,000 is without the Submission of the Night bonus. With that, he gets $475,000. Its nice to have a big name to draw the PPV. Not sure if he gets a cut of that too.
Yeah the $400,000 is without the Submission of the Night bonus. With that, he gets $475,000. Its nice to have a big name to draw the PPV. Not sure if he gets a cut of that too.
I believe that $400k is with the PPV percentage. I think when you're a big name like that, thats how you get paid. I remember a little while back someone getting knocked out, but was paid by PPV percentage, so even though they lost, they got paid a crap load more than the guy who won.
But I could be entirely wrong, haha.
ZombiePower
07-11-10, 9:17 pm
It's not just his wrestling background--it's also the fact that he's got good MMA/BJJ coaches, and thus he's learning the submission game, obviously.
Brock,big hands firm grip has one of the best bootcamps that actually specialize in big men and ground game, he uses his weight to his advantage, his weight is pretty much muscle hence his powerlifting hence his bootcamp that actually specializes in cardio and coditioning
honestly if he never had a collegiate background d1 to..he would be so bad and his striking game is rocky its not very good no offense.its rocky because of his powerlifting which gives him an advantage as one of the hardest hitters but not a good hitter.
just to show you what plenty of powerlifting and cardio does for you, on youtube search heath herring vs. brock lesnar and you'll see why