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excessive endorphins
03-01-07, 12:19 pm
do you keep ur arms straight??
and im using 25-30's for strict reps i hate this light weight
I do not keep my arms straight, I never lock out my elbows on anything, just like you would not want to lock out knees on anything..well, maybe leg extensions and even then, I dont totally lock out my knees, I rather concentrate on contracting my quads.
Lift with the shoulder, not your arm..think about the movement. I use 20's and 25's for 6 sets in my shoulder workout. Side laterals are what's gonna give you great width and depth to your shoulders...the wider the shoulder, the smaller the waist appears.
I also do partial reps in addition to full range of motion..makes it a bit more challenging when you dont rest the weight at the bottom of the movement, but instead, stop midway and feel the resistance as you pull back up to shoulder height.
humanforklift
03-01-07, 12:36 pm
I've been doing raises Jay Cutler style- arms bent with the dumbbells moving towards your armpits. Almost like wide upright rows with dumbbells. I go fairly heavy, about 40 lbs. for 6-8 reps. I switch these with leaning raises and use the same weigh, for about 8-10 reps.
grissinger
03-01-07, 1:14 pm
I do them like you are holding 2 pitchers of beer in my hands. Bring them up to level of my ears like I am pouring the pitchers. I think Shawn Ray or Lee Haney explained it that way in an old mag and I really get a good feel.
Giant Killer
03-01-07, 2:18 pm
For side laterals, make sure your arms are relaxed except shoulders which are tensed. Have your arms start not quite at the front or side of your thighs, but on a diagonal plane. Lift with the shoulders, concentrating on the feel in your side delts, change the angle slightly if needed to get the most impact. Your arms will be kind of like your doing a flye machine but from your thighs up to your eye level. At the top of the motion, stop & tilt the dumbells down slightly to the front as if pouring water out of them. If you're cheating with your body, leave your ego at the door and lower the weight. Also shoulders need a lot of work so use drops sets to failure on the last set.
Its less complicated than it sounds, just whatever you do, make sure you are listening to your body, & hitting and contracting those delts.
a slight bend is ideal...but in my opinion its best to lower the weight to ur sides instead of in front of ur body. Not to much of a difference, but it helps focus on the lateral head
Pokoritel
03-01-07, 2:49 pm
On laterals I dont keep em straight. you have to have your arm bent just a little. Its like you raise it up imagine your holding two pitchers of water and in the end movement imagine your pouring water into a cup.
I love these things. I use 20-30 lbs. also. The light weight is good, you really don't want to put too much stress on the rotator cuff when doing these. Use the lighter weight and feel the burn, if you're not feeling it, do more reps. I always keep a slight bend in the elbow on the front lat raise and use the DB's. I also do the side raise, but I like using the cable for that. Just like Toni said, you always wanna keep a slight bend, just like you would your knees, same idea.
if you lock em out, you lose blood circulation..Just like when you are watching ppl stand at the Position of Attention...they lock out their knees, and pass out because of the lack of blood flow
gotta keep a slight bend in the arms on raises.
I do them like you are holding 2 pitchers of beer in my hands. Bring them up to level of my ears like I am pouring the pitchers. I think Shawn Ray or Lee Haney explained it that way in an old mag and I really get a good feel.
I got this from Arnold's writings also.
As a Martial Arts practioner, locking out "Any" joint is bad.
darkside64
03-01-07, 3:19 pm
for me "loose" form works best for shoulders. I keep my arms bent and I always used a "pretty body language". Meaning I use the muscle to the fullest extent without using bad form. Also do not bring your arms to a 90 degree angle. Instead stop a little shorter to put more stress on the medial head.
IntensityJT
03-01-07, 3:28 pm
i keep my arms at a slight bend, i feel it more this way and i dont believe in locking out any body part
excessive endorphins
03-01-07, 5:02 pm
i keep my arms at a slight bend, i feel it more this way and i dont believe in locking out any body part
yeah thanks guys,i was jw if my weight was too low,cuz ppl that train around me use like 10's max with bad forms,so i was jw if 20-30's were light in the bodybuilding game
Mike Honcho
03-01-07, 6:28 pm
Dude, don't worry about the weight you're using. Work with whatever gives you the best workout for YOUR muscles. No one starts out benching 405. Everyone has to start at the bottom and work up. All that matters is that you get in there and bust your ass everyday. The heavy weight will come with time and experience.
Kiwi129
03-01-07, 10:35 pm
You can't really keep your arms straight if you want to get them blasted. You'd have to use like 5 lb. dumbbells. Just make sure you're going straight out and using that medial delt and you'll get em good.
MELTDOWN
03-01-07, 10:38 pm
I do not keep my arms straight, I never lock out my elbows on anything, just like you would not want to lock out knees on anything..well, maybe leg extensions and even then, I dont totally lock out my knees, I rather concentrate on contracting my quads.
Lift with the shoulder, not your arm..think about the movement. I use 20's and 25's for 6 sets in my shoulder workout. Side laterals are what's gonna give you great width and depth to your shoulders...the wider the shoulder, the smaller the waist appears.
I also do partial reps in addition to full range of motion..makes it a bit more challenging when you dont rest the weight at the bottom of the movement, but instead, stop midway and feel the resistance as you pull back up to shoulder height.
BINGO................6 sets each of side, front and rear lateral raises, plus other delt work....burn 'em down, baby, burn 'em down.........
Kiwi129
03-01-07, 11:36 pm
You guys really do 18+ sets for delts? Jesus you guys are nuts. That would just kill my pump and ruin my workout. I wish I could do volume like that and still keep a good pump though...
excessive endorphins
03-02-07, 9:58 am
You guys really do 18+ sets for delts? Jesus you guys are nuts. That would just kill my pump and ruin my workout. I wish I could do volume like that and still keep a good pump though...
if u checked out my high volume thread i did more then that..volume was a TAD too high tho.my shoulders are still dead from wednesday ha
its all trial and erro,think im gna drop to 16 sets MOST on any one specific muscle except maybe back or legs
Freakshow
03-02-07, 9:46 pm
I do not keep my arms straight, I never lock out my elbows on anything, just like you would not want to lock out knees on anything..well, maybe leg extensions and even then, I dont totally lock out my knees, I rather concentrate on contracting my quads.
Lift with the shoulder, not your arm..think about the movement. I use 20's and 25's for 6 sets in my shoulder workout. Side laterals are what's gonna give you great width and depth to your shoulders...the wider the shoulder, the smaller the waist appears.
I also do partial reps in addition to full range of motion..makes it a bit more challenging when you dont rest the weight at the bottom of the movement, but instead, stop midway and feel the resistance as you pull back up to shoulder height.
More great advice from Toni...couldnt agree more.
I bring the weights the whole way down in front of me. I also keep my arms almost straight, but not locked out. I do this with 45s for ~6-8 reps. This rep range has always worked best for me.