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painisprogression
01-18-07, 10:43 pm
Protein and fat? People seem scared to try it because they all hear that carbs make the muscle. It is true that carbs are a great part of any bodybuilder diet, but let me tell you how I do it. It sounds nuts, but that is how I do it. I am 22 and about 208 to 210 pounds. Holding fat in the stomache as usual, but that is about it.
8:00 Wake up- 3 to 4 whole eggs and 4 oz. 80% lean ground beef.
10:00- 4tbs. peanut butter, 3oz tuna with sunflower oil
12:00- same
2:30- 3oz. tuna and 3oz. tuna with sunflower oil
4:30- 2tbs peanut butter, 3oz. tuna
5:00- 35g Whey
5:30- Supps
6:00- Train
7:00- Post training carbs from gatorade (article from milos sarcev)
7:30- 3 whole eggs with olive oil and 6oz 80% lean ground beef
10:00- 50g Whey, 2tbs peanut butter
10:30- Pass out.
For the last month I am recovering great. My strength has never been this good. I am surpassing all my bests. Only supplementing with Animal Pump and Pak, Bulgarian Tribulus, and Universal BCAA's. I have a problem with carbs holding water, so I cut them except post training. Tell me I am crazy and I will believe you, but this is really working
karmazon
01-19-07, 12:06 am
So wait, you're saying you don't take in any carbs? It might work now, but it won't end pretty.
ever hear of Atkins? He popularized the low/no carb diet. It is not new as is with most diets, but basically by keeping your carb intake low you force your body to use other energy sources, like fat. with Atkins and other low carb diets the key was to keep carbs below 50grams per day. this will throw your body into ketosis which, if maintained will force an alternate energy source to be used, enter fat.
Unfortunately this program will give you success initally but it will taper off and if you exceed the 50 g per day carbs your body will grab them up and use them for energy or store them as fat.
I have used a variation of this as a cycle diet with great success.
5 days low carb-below 50g.
1 day all protein no limit try and eat 1-2g per lb body wt, very low fat no carb.
1 day all fruit no limit just stuff it in.
5 day lowfat high protein med/high carbs on day 5 have any cheat meal you want.
repeat.
Actually, I've heard great things about this diet. It's called the anabolic diet and I if I remember right, it was made famous by Mauro DiPasquale.
The basic idea is that you go Mon-Fri with little or no carbs with a very high fat and protein intake. Then you load up on carbs at the weekend with whatever food you want, pretty much anything goes.
The thing is, it takes the body a few weeks to adjust to this diet when you start it as your body usually gets most of its energy from carbs, but for the anabolic diet it must change to burning fat for energy instead. As a result, bodybuilders who follow this diet actually produce leaner muscle than those who don't, and this saves a lot of work when trying to cut fat for a contest.
BritishTang
01-19-07, 1:30 am
I'm just seconding everyone who has thus far recomended a "refeed" or a "carb up" day. They are actually quite beneficial when following a ketosis inducing diet.
I'm proof you can make gains on a low carb diet. Long story short. I was a fat ass 3 years ago. Used Atkins to drop over 100lbs. Started hitting the weights again at 175lbs. I STILL follow a low carb approach to eating and have managed to get back to 215 at around 13%BF.
The difference between now and my weight loss days, is I follow a CKD rather than straight low carb. Do a search on it, either google or at bb.com. Basically, it's what someone else here is saying. You eat low carb\under 20 carbs per day for say 5 days. Carb up\refeed on weekends.
It can work very well if followed properly.
for cutting I use the type of diet discussed - 6 days of low carbs (most from veggies), lean meats, protein powder. healthy fats (fish, flax seed oil). Then one day of clean carbs, minimal fat, and protein. I prefer to not just eat anything on carb up days and keep the carb sources clean. Pump is awesome on that day also! Overall, have had success with it to lower bf, not lose a bunch of muscle and is easy to follow and generally feel good.
forgot to mention that on lifting days I will take in 40 or so grams of dextrose with my PWO shake to inrease the uptake of the protein. i still stay in keto even with the sugar intake.