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Punisher
07-25-07, 1:01 pm
I have been doing some research in diets liek teh Paleo diet and diets of early man and am very intrigued at what I have found.
Their diets resemble something similar to what Ox follows low carb high omega3 fat and high in protein...
Does anyone follow a diet similar to this?
Lowdown5
07-25-07, 1:06 pm
Did the Warrior diet, tough to do. You eat very light during the morning and daytime, then one large meal at night. Don't know if you were referring to this type of plan or not. Days were tough, but eating so much at night also caused some stomach distress.
I have been doing some research in diets liek teh Paleo diet and diets of early man and am very intrigued at what I have found.
Their diets resemble something similar to what Ox follows low carb high omega3 fat and high in protein...
Does anyone follow a diet similar to this?
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What I have read about it....
Only eat what was available to the early hunter-gatherers. Foods which are edible raw. All other foods should be avoided. In effect this is the factory specified diet.
Do Eat: Meats and Fish, Fruits, Vegetables, Nuts, and Berries.
Do Not Eat: Grains, Beans, Potatoes, Dairy, Sugar.
I will miss my oats!
But pre-contest it looks very good!
I have been doing some research in diets liek teh Paleo diet and diets of early man and am very intrigued at what I have found.
Their diets resemble something similar to what Ox follows low carb high omega3 fat and high in protein...
Does anyone follow a diet similar to this?
Some hilarious ads, LOL...
Seriously, thought about doing it once. Some interesting ideas behind it. Haven't done it yet though.
Elijah_MB
07-25-07, 1:13 pm
this is what I pretty much do. Carbs usually never go above 30% of my daily intake. Protein stay around 45-50% then fats take up around 30-35%. It varies from day to day, training or not, ect. It takes a while for your body to get adjusted to it, thats for sure. I've noticed if cals are kept @ maintenance/slightly under, having a cheat meal once/twice a week is great to jumpstart the metabolism and really burn some fat while allowing lean mass gain/muscle recovery while using this. I do love my carbs though. I could eat oats every meal
Jaymafin
07-25-07, 1:26 pm
i do something like that. im at 205lbs, do bout 320g of protein, 150g of fat, and trace carbs. i make sure i get the fiber too 30-50g daily. works good for me.
Punisher
07-25-07, 2:05 pm
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What I have read about it....
Only eat what was available to the early hunter-gatherers. Foods which are edible raw. All other foods should be avoided. In effect this is the factory specified diet.
Do Eat: Meats and Fish, Fruits, Vegetables, Nuts, and Berries.
Do Not Eat: Grains, Beans, Potatoes, Dairy, Sugar.
I will miss my oats!
But pre-contest it looks very good!
i like how it looks, supposed to have a whole host of benefits besides just for your physique as well
i like how it looks, supposed to have a whole host of benefits besides just for your physique as well
Gotta find a caveman...ask---are cheese steaks allowable?
Universal Rep
07-25-07, 2:19 pm
Gotta find a caveman...ask---are cheese steaks allowable?
Did someone say cheesteaks? G probably just around the corner...
Hahahahaha......
brandona
07-25-07, 3:12 pm
Cheese stakes again....hey someone FEDEX me one of those bad boys...
-B
i dont think that cheese steak is a part of that diet but if you wat one by all means eat them.
brandona
07-25-07, 3:32 pm
Cave men had cheese staeks right? little on the rare side and maybe no cheesewiz....Intersing diet Punshier...
-B
adidamps2
07-25-07, 4:12 pm
I have been doing some research in diets liek teh Paleo diet and diets of early man and am very intrigued at what I have found.
Their diets resemble something similar to what Ox follows low carb high omega3 fat and high in protein...
Does anyone follow a diet similar to this?
yes, i pretty much do this.
i still eat pizza dn pasta but only because of my family.
but it is realy restricted.
i have not had oatmeal in over 6 months.
adidamps2
07-25-07, 4:13 pm
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What I have read about it....
Only eat what was available to the early hunter-gatherers. Foods which are edible raw. All other foods should be avoided. In effect this is the factory specified diet.
Do Eat: Meats and Fish, Fruits, Vegetables, Nuts, and Berries.
Do Not Eat: Grains, Beans, Potatoes, Dairy, Sugar.
I will miss my oats!
But pre-contest it looks very good!
dairy is debatable since i cant remember who, but one of the paleo groups actually have been documented as using milk as thier primary protien sources (albeit, it was raw milk)
No grains? No fiber? Why not?
Punisher
07-25-07, 4:16 pm
I am thinking dairy would be good to avoid as it can cause stomach discomfort in most as well as irratate skin problems....i notice after having a lot of diary i just dont feel as good same as with bread or grain sources for carbs...i tthink there is osmething to this
adidamps2
07-25-07, 4:16 pm
also i posted a thread here title why low carbs diets need to be high fat, and it goes into detail as too why and was posted do to the use of the inuits diets. which is one of the few left hunter/gatherer societies left.
adidamps2
07-25-07, 4:17 pm
I am thinking dairy would be good to avoid as it can cause stomach discomfort in most as well as irratate skin problems....i notice after having a lot of diary i just dont feel as good same as with bread or grain sources for carbs...i tthink there is osmething to this
yes, but this is highy pasterized milk. which essentially strips all the good stuff out of milk.
raw whole milk is suppose to be really good. too bad i cant find any certified raw milk near me. :(
Punisher
07-25-07, 4:17 pm
No grains? No fiber? Why not?
if you eata good amount of fruits u get plenty of fiber from that...cavemen didnt eat grains, i dont think they were consipated all the time from lack of fiber lol
adidamps2
07-25-07, 4:18 pm
No grains? No fiber? Why not?
plenty of fiber, just no grains.
adidamps2
07-25-07, 4:19 pm
if you eata good amount of fruits u get plenty of fiber from that...cavemen didnt eat grains, i dont think they were consipated all the time from lack of fiber lol
dont forget roots and veggies...both of which are super high fiber..and nuts too (but not paenuts, as they are actually legumes)
Punisher
07-25-07, 4:28 pm
yes, but this is highy pasterized milk. which essentially strips all the good stuff out of milk.
raw whole milk is suppose to be really good. too bad i cant find any certified raw milk near me. :(
yea i heard thsi too actually...just not too easy to find so i think ill avoid it for now lol....what have u noticed whiel following thsi diet? what does a smaple day look like for you? I saw a book paleo diet for athletes and it tells you hwo to structure ur meals for working out what do you do?
adidamps2
07-25-07, 4:45 pm
yea i heard thsi too actually...just not too easy to find so i think ill avoid it for now lol....what have u noticed whiel following thsi diet? what does a smaple day look like for you? I saw a book paleo diet for athletes and it tells you hwo to structure ur meals for working out what do you do?
a typicals days diet for me looks like this:
1 large avocado
12 whole eggs
1tbls sour cream
1tbls pico de gilo (sp)
2oz cheese (mild cheddar, montrey jack)
2oz almonds
1 serving strawberries (about 144g worth), or some other for of berry
the above makes up the bulk of my diet
then i also typically have
6oz of red meat (prefer chuck or sirloins) and if not steak i will opt for pork/fish or boneless/skinless chicken (if chicken i make up for lack of fat with other stuff like suaces made from sour cream)
5-6oz broccoli(or some other veggie high in fiber)
this diet tends to get me roughly
202g fat
30-40g carbs
20-30g fiber
210g protien
on work out days i use milk and whey protien along with heavy whipping cream.
adidamps2
07-25-07, 4:50 pm
oh and as far as what i have noticed?
less see:
lack of methane release ( i find that wheat products mixed with protien really blow me out though) whch is funny considering all the blame protien gets for this.
slow & steady change in body comp (body wt has stayed constant while BF has decreased) i stress slow, as i know my over cal intake is what is really keeping me from dropping tons of body wt over night like people claim.
increased strength/endurance
lack of food cravings (no carbs craving actually)
always feel full and satisfied
Punisher
07-25-07, 4:52 pm
sounds awesome bro.....i am seriously considering switching over to this type of diet
sounds great to me, carbs make me bloated and crappy feeling...
Punisher
07-26-07, 10:05 am
do you make your own pico de gallo??? i dont get why they call it chicken beak it doenst make senseee lol
Freakshow
07-26-07, 10:30 am
This is interesting stuff...I had no idea about this. Nice thread.
Punisher
07-26-07, 11:22 am
the thing that caught my eye was how it is based on teh way humans are supposed to eat, grains like wheat and rice etc are not what our bodies are originally made to be eating, all that is something failry new only within the last 80,000 years. Once we started eating a primarily gluten based diet autoimmunne dieseases went up, people started living shorter lives only recently have we extended ppls lives due to advances in medicine.
Look at Jack LaLane for example he is in his 90s and healthy!! one of his mottos was if man made it don't eat it...there is a lot of truth in those words if you want to live a long and healthy life, sure genetics play a factor but diet is also hugeee as well
the thing that caught my eye was how it is based on teh way humans are supposed to eat, grains like wheat and rice etc are not what our bodies are originally made to be eating, all that is something failry new only within the last 80,000 years. Once we started eating a primarily gluten based diet autoimmunne dieseases went up, people started living shorter lives only recently have we extended ppls lives due to advances in medicine.
Look at Jack LaLane for example he is in his 90s and healthy!! one of his mottos was if man made it don't eat it...there is a lot of truth in those words if you want to live a long and healthy life, sure genetics play a factor but diet is also hugeee as well
man, people just don't realize the role diet plays in life. I'm reading a book called the perricorn promise. This doctor goes really into depth about hoe foods cause our brains to release certain chemicals that effect basically EVRY aspect of our bodies and lives....
With all of this fast food consumption and ignorance towards nutrition, it's no wonder mental disorders and depression are so common.
Punisher
07-27-07, 9:45 am
been follwoing thsi for a few days now and really feel a lot better.....
been follwoing thsi for a few days now and really feel a lot better.....
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What is better, moods, energy, less sleep required?
...I just had a slice of double chocolate cake, gotta get in all in before monday Pun.
adidamps2
07-27-07, 10:27 pm
do you make your own pico de gallo??? i dont get why they call it chicken beak it doenst make senseee lol
the store i buy the Pico' De gallo out of sells it fresh...no additives or anything just straight up ingrediants.
adidamps2
07-27-07, 10:34 pm
i'm not sure what info you have seen or were you guys have got your info from but here is a data base of paleo diet info for ya.
http://paleodiet.com/
also another good site is westonprice
here is a link to how native americans ate from their site.
http://www.westonaprice.org/traditional_diets/native_americans.html
guts and grease is the title.
and althoguh i posted a thread here with the cut and past here is a link to another great site that deal with the myths of FAT and i'll sytart you off with
"why low carb diets need to be high fat, not high protien"
http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/fat-not-protein.html
Punisher
07-30-07, 3:27 pm
i'm not sure what info you have seen or were you guys have got your info from but here is a data base of paleo diet info for ya.
http://paleodiet.com/
also another good site is westonprice
here is a link to how native americans ate from their site.
http://www.westonaprice.org/traditional_diets/native_americans.html
guts and grease is the title.
and althoguh i posted a thread here with the cut and past here is a link to another great site that deal with the myths of FAT and i'll sytart you off with
"why low carb diets need to be high fat, not high protien"
http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/fat-not-protein.html
I have the Paleo Diet book by cordain but thsoe sites are def good reads, not sure baout eating guts though, do you ever include any of that in your diet? I have eaten beef tongue however and it was actually really good, lungs and hearts and even liver might be harder to get down for me lol
adidamps2
07-30-07, 3:58 pm
I have the Paleo Diet book by cordain but thsoe sites are def good reads, not sure baout eating guts though, do you ever include any of that in your diet? I have eaten beef tongue however and it was actually really good, lungs and hearts and even liver might be harder to get down for me lol
no, for the most part i just stick to regular cuts of meat.
occassionally i will eat some beef/chicken liver maybe some pork skin/rinds, and every once in a blue moon i may eat some chicken hearts or gizzards.
however i try too get my liver in the form of pill or powder. (easier to take that way).
and i only included the "guts and grease" for the article, letting people see how man can eat and still be healthy and also for the fact that it was a link to the westonprice foundation.
Punisher
07-31-07, 10:23 am
no, for the most part i just stick to regular cuts of meat.
occassionally i will eat some beef/chicken liver maybe some pork skin/rinds, and every once in a blue moon i may eat some chicken hearts or gizzards.
however i try too get my liver in the form of pill or powder. (easier to take that way).
and i only included the "guts and grease" for the article, letting people see how man can eat and still be healthy and also for the fact that it was a link to the westonprice foundation.
it was a good read though......i am loving etaing this way i didnt have as much energy at first but now i have more than i ever had it feels like i am taking a stimulant of some sort..very strange
adidamps2
07-31-07, 5:42 pm
it was a good read though......i am loving etaing this way i didnt have as much energy at first but now i have more than i ever had it feels like i am taking a stimulant of some sort..very strange
i have actually found my stength and endurance really turning up, along with deeper sleep.
all good things IMO...LOL
Girevik 69
07-31-07, 6:16 pm
The paleo diet is certainly interesting, and I have both of Cordain's books.
However, humans have also proven to be highly adaptable, and so I don't think dairy and other foods from the "Agricultural Revolution" are necessarily "bad"--on the contrary, milk is something of a superfood.
adidamps2
07-31-07, 7:51 pm
The paleo diet is certainly interesting, and I have both of Cordain's books.
However, humans have also proven to be highly adaptable, and so I don't think dairy and other foods from the "Agricultural Revolution" are necessarily "bad"--on the contrary, milk is something of a superfood.
actually modern pasterized milk is shit compared to raw unpasterized whole milk.
Girevik 69
07-31-07, 8:37 pm
actually modern pasterized milk is shit compared to raw unpasterized whole milk.
I agree--but that doesn't change the fact that various Ancient peoples were able to thrive on dairy, both fresh and fermented. In other words, the argument that the paleo diet is the "ideal" human diet is flawed. Humans are quite adaptable.
I think that the Weston A. Price Foundation has the right idea, with their Campaign for Real Milk.
Medford
07-31-07, 10:30 pm
remember back then the average lifespan was what, twenty? Twenty five?
adidamps2
07-31-07, 10:36 pm
I agree--but that doesn't change the fact that various Ancient peoples were able to thrive on dairy, both fresh and fermented. In other words, the argument that the paleo diet is the "ideal" human diet is flawed. Humans are quite adaptable.
I think that the Weston A. Price Foundation has the right idea, with their Campaign for Real Milk.
some paleo type diets say yes to milk others say no.
that wasnt my arguement.
my arguement was pasterized milk is shit.
on the noteof age of 20 or so for their life span.
you may want to take into accoutn how much harder their life was and how easy it was to die from say a typical infection or even worse a compound fracture. modern medicine has allowed for an extended life as well as our more sedatary non-hunting life style.
it was a good read though......i am loving etaing this way i didnt have as much energy at first but now i have more than i ever had it feels like i am taking a stimulant of some sort..very strange
so what exactly is your diet looking like right now? just curious as to what a typical day looks like.... as in what is eaten and when
Girevik 69
08-01-07, 9:25 am
some paleo type diets say yes to milk others say no.
that wasnt my arguement.
my arguement was pasterized milk is shit.
So which paleolithic peoples consumed milk?
I figured that if it was after the Agricultural Revolution, it was no longer "paleo", but perhaps I'm wrong?
Punisher
08-01-07, 10:54 am
so what exactly is your diet looking like right now? just curious as to what a typical day looks like.... as in what is eaten and when
I am not following an exact diet just trying to get in a lot of protein and follow the principles of teh diet, i cheat once ina while but do notice a huge differenc ein hwo i feel after eating grain based foods liek bread or pasta or rice, i feel liek absolute shit and fee liek the life was just sucked out of me. In place of these carbs I upped teh fresh fuits suck as blueberries, strawberries, apples, peaches, bananas, avacados basically anything I can get my hands on and eating them in bigger amounts way more than normal, and also eating veggies at every meal liek artichokes, zucchinni, tomatoes(thoughits actually a fruit). i also have been drinking soem of thsoe drinks that are basically just pureeded fruit and veggies, no additives. I also picked up soem dried fruit that has not been enriched with sugar. I do still have soem dairy and dont think it has had any negative effect on me either, i just try to limit it. I also have been eating a lot fo eggs even though cordain says not to in his book and meat i dont care what cut it is if its meat i eat it ha i figure thats what a real caveman would do, not waste anything.
Punisher
08-01-07, 10:56 am
So which paleolithic peoples consumed milk?
I figured that if it was after the Agricultural Revolution, it was no longer "paleo", but perhaps I'm wrong?
i think in order for a diet to be paleo it just has to follow the typical diet of a hunter gatherer society and not be grain based
Pun;
Please give us the 411 on the new diet...any more-less energry, mood levels, less-more hunger...we ALL want to know!
Girevik 69
08-01-07, 11:19 am
i think in order for a diet to be paleo it just has to follow the typical diet of a hunter gatherer society and not be grain based
I understand that--and thus dairy should not be included either, since both dairy & grains were products of the "Agricultural Revolution" of roughly 10,000 years ago.
Punisher
08-01-07, 11:24 am
i have more energy better sleep, better mood, normally i feel iek i wanna take along nap all day but recently no i feel awake all day long and my training is going great, i have energy to get through teh whole workout and im taking ) stimulants preworkout and after my training i have started to run as well...so we will see how it goes....Grivek anything from cordains book for athletes that is different form the original book, i have been meaning to pick it up but havent seen it in stores....Ant after ur competition i suggest you try a diet liek this you will feel better
i have more energy better sleep, better mood, normally i feel iek i wanna take along nap all day but recently no i feel awake all day long and my training is going great, i have energy to get through teh whole workout and im taking ) stimulants preworkout and after my training i have started to run as well...so we will see how it goes....Grivek anything from cordains book for athletes that is different form the original book, i have been meaning to pick it up but havent seen it in stores....Ant after ur competition i suggest you try a diet liek this you will feel better
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SOUNDS ALL GOOD!
Girevik 69
08-01-07, 12:06 pm
Grivek anything from cordains book for athletes that is different form the original book, i have been meaning to pick it up but havent seen it in stores....
Punisher--Cordain's book for athletes seems to concentrate a lot on endurance events--running, cycling, triathalon, etc., and divides eating into various stages throughout the day (pre-workout, during workout, post-workout, & so on). I'm honestly not sure how much of that applies to lifters of any sort, aside from those concentrating on things like increasing the number of reps of kettlebell snatches they do (where there's a distinct cardio element).
However, he goes into detail about a lot of other things--food as fuel, the glycemic index & load, EFAs, etc. I also find his various tables interesting, that compare primitive societies with modern ones. For example:
Calories Burned per Hour in Hunter-Gatherer and Modern Activities
H-G Calories Burned *** Modern Human Calories Burned
Carrying logs 893 *** Carrying logs 670
Running (cross-country) 782 *** Running (c-c) 587
Butchering large animal 408 *** Chopping w/axe 306
Flint knapping 216 *** Shoe repair 162
Scraping a hide 302 *** Scraping paint 227
Punisher
08-01-07, 1:01 pm
Punisher--Cordain's book for athletes seems to concentrate a lot on endurance events--running, cycling, triathalon, etc., and divides eating into various stages throughout the day (pre-workout, during workout, post-workout, & so on). I'm honestly not sure how much of that applies to lifters of any sort, aside from those concentrating on things like increasing the number of reps of kettlebell snatches they do (where there's a distinct cardio element).
However, he goes into detail about a lot of other things--food as fuel, the glycemic index & load, EFAs, etc. I also find his various tables interesting, that compare primitive societies with modern ones. For example:
Calories Burned per Hour in Hunter-Gatherer and Modern Activities
H-G Calories Burned *** Modern Human Calories Burned
Carrying logs 893 *** Carrying logs 670
Running (cross-country) 782 *** Running (c-c) 587
Butchering large animal 408 *** Chopping w/axe 306
Flint knapping 216 *** Shoe repair 162
Scraping a hide 302 *** Scraping paint 227
interesting, does he say why modern man would burn less calories doing those activities? What would a typical pre post and during workout meal be?
Girevik 69
08-01-07, 1:06 pm
interesting, does he say why modern man would burn less calories doing those activities? What would a typical pre post and during workout meal be?
I'll post more info when I get home from work tonight.
adidamps2
08-01-07, 10:45 pm
So which paleolithic peoples consumed milk?
I figured that if it was after the Agricultural Revolution, it was no longer "paleo", but perhaps I'm wrong?
http://www.nerdheaven.dk/~jevk/paleo_intro.php
"The Maasai, who are traditional hunter-gatherers, are reknowned for their vast consumption of milk and meat and preferably little else - they're obviously not allergic to milk."
Girevik 69
08-02-07, 7:13 pm
http://www.nerdheaven.dk/~jevk/paleo_intro.php
"The Maasai, who are traditional hunter-gatherers, are reknowned for their vast consumption of milk and meat and preferably little else - they're obviously not allergic to milk."
Ah, the Maasai.
The Maasai are an example of a post-AR hunter-gatherer society, but they are not paleolithic. Sorry, I don't mean to be nitpicky--but when I think "paleolithic" I think of Neanderthal, Cro-Magnon, et al.
adidamps2
08-02-07, 11:49 pm
Ah, the Maasai.
The Maasai are an example of a post-AR hunter-gatherer society, but they are not paleolithic. Sorry, I don't mean to be nitpicky--but when I think "paleolithic" I think of Neanderthal, Cro-Magnon, et al.
true, the whole idea though is that the Paleo diet is modeled after hunter/gatherer tribes. and the Maasai are that.
but yes like you when i think Paleo in terms of time, i think of the same as you.
just remeber the Paleo diet is a guideline and not set in stone...LOL
Girevik 69
08-04-07, 7:19 am
true, the whole idea though is that the Paleo diet is modeled after hunter/gatherer tribes. and the Maasai are that.
but yes like you when i think Paleo in terms of time, i think of the same as you.
just remeber the Paleo diet is a guideline and not set in stone...LOL
Once again, I'm not trying to be nitpicky--but the Paleo Diet is not simply "modeled after hunter/gatherer tribes"; it is modeled after what we know about what paleolithic peoples ate. Dairy was not on the paleolithic diet, and Cordain has argued against the consumption of dairy by humans.
That being said, I'm personally fine with dairy, and, as I stated before, Man has proven quite adaptable to various diets.
Far Beyond Driven
08-04-07, 10:08 am
Personally, I think that the idea is pretty stupid. Let's face it, as humans accumulate knowledge, we create techniques to do things better and more efficiently. Embracing a diet thought out by stone age protohumans is foolish, considering the wealth of dietary knowledge available to us today. No dis intended, just my 2 cents.
naturalguy
08-05-07, 9:29 pm
The diet can work for some people. I would not do well on this type of diet. I don't do well on very low/no carb diets but everyone is different.
Girevik 69
08-06-07, 11:45 am
Personally, I think that the idea is pretty stupid. Let's face it, as humans accumulate knowledge, we create techniques to do things better and more efficiently. Embracing a diet thought out by stone age protohumans is foolish, considering the wealth of dietary knowledge available to us today. No dis intended, just my 2 cents.
The paleolithic peoples were typically in really good shape, so to dismiss what they ate out-of-hand sounds a bit rash.
adidamps2
08-06-07, 12:55 pm
Personally, I think that the idea is pretty stupid. Let's face it, as humans accumulate knowledge, we create techniques to do things better and more efficiently. Embracing a diet thought out by stone age protohumans is foolish, considering the wealth of dietary knowledge available to us today. No dis intended, just my 2 cents.
i'm not sure what "techniques" we as a human kind have created, that has amade a diet like this out dated?
lets see steaks, berries, nuts, a few roots, and little to no wheat/legumes and a few other minor foods. hmmm, sounds better than what most people eat on a daily basis.
the creation of the twinkie and fried chicken is not my idea of advanced food techniques.
adidamps2
08-06-07, 12:56 pm
The diet can work for some people. I would not do well on this type of diet. I don't do well on very low/no carb diets but everyone is different.
this diet can be as high carb as you like, the the bulk of the majority of "energy" carbs will come from fruit not grains.
Far Beyond Driven
08-06-07, 6:58 pm
Not dismissing it out of hand, and yes, it's a lot better than the crapola 90% of people eat. Absolutely no question there. But, there are simply a lot more things out there that they didn't eat that we have today, like more types of nuts and legumes, different species of fish, and modern techniques like frying in olive oil for those good fats. (sparingly). It just seems that the modern era has more to offer. The reason they were in such good shape is because, unlike us, they actually had to kill, by hand, what they ate. Now that's animal!
squattingtillipuke
08-06-07, 8:16 pm
yes, but this is highy pasterized milk. which essentially strips all the good stuff out of milk.
raw whole milk is suppose to be really good. too bad i cant find any certified raw milk near me. :(
My in laws are farmers and when I first started dating my wife they milked their own cows...shit I felt like I was having a casein shake with my dinner...shit was thick as hell. As far as being better for you...I like the fresher things in life.
I grow my own veggies, chickens - for eggs and meat, cows and hogs. I don't want someone in some underdeveloped country fucking with my food source becuase it is too important.
ate a bowl of plain pasta today, and then i fell asleep for 1.5 hours... shit knocked me out... i notice grains make me sluggish and sleeepy... zzzzz
Punisher
08-08-07, 10:47 am
My in laws are farmers and when I first started dating my wife they milked their own cows...shit I felt like I was having a casein shake with my dinner...shit was thick as hell. As far as being better for you...I like the fresher things in life.
I grow my own veggies, chickens - for eggs and meat, cows and hogs. I don't want someone in some underdeveloped country fucking with my food source becuase it is too important.
that is awesome, though id hafta admit id hate to kill my own animals, but it is the best way to live you control the process enitrely.
Fresher is better tatse and health wish.
for all that say well we are mroe evolved now blah blah i dare you to try eating a diet in which you do not eat potatioes, corn or grains and replace them with fruits and veggies and tell me how much better you feel. though our methods may have evolved and the types of food available has grown our body chemistry is almost teh same as it was millions of years ago, it has evolved on the foods we grew up on. i agree some paleo people ate a little different and added some grains etc into their diet but this was not the bulk of their diets. The bulk was from what was available and that was fruit veggies and animals. Many well known diet bodybuilder gurus are now recommending to eat this way, so it must hold some value.
Girevik 69
08-10-07, 10:17 am
Not dismissing it out of hand, and yes, it's a lot better than the crapola 90% of people eat. Absolutely no question there. But, there are simply a lot more things out there that they didn't eat that we have today, like more types of nuts and legumes, different species of fish, and modern techniques like frying in olive oil for those good fats. (sparingly). It just seems that the modern era has more to offer. The reason they were in such good shape is because, unlike us, they actually had to kill, by hand, what they ate. Now that's animal!
They were in good shape for numerous reasons.
1. They ate unprocessed, nutrient-dense foods.
2. They did not overeat.
3. They got plenty of exercise simply by doing their day-to-day routine.
As for "frying in olive oil", I wouldn't recommend it. You have to keep that oil below 160 degrees F, or you'll turn that good fat into a bad fat. Olive oil is better used cold, with salads, for dipping bread, etc (and FWIW, it was a staple oil of Ancient peoples who were also in great shape, like the Greeks and Romans).
Punisher
08-10-07, 10:23 am
They were in good shape for numerous reasons.
1. They ate unprocessed, nutrient-dense foods.
2. They did not overeat.
3. They got plenty of exercise simply by doing their day-to-day routine.
As for "frying in olive oil", I wouldn't recommend it. You have to keep that oil below 160 degrees F, or you'll turn that good fat into a bad fat. Olive oil is better used cold, with salads, for dipping bread, etc (and FWIW, it was a staple oil of Ancient peoples who were also in great shape, like the Greeks and Romans).
yea frying in olive oil? ??i never knew frying in anything was healthy
Girevik 69
08-10-07, 11:11 am
yea frying in olive oil? ??i never knew frying in anything was healthy
Frying in general certainly isn't the healthiest way to cook (this especially applies to deep-frying, of course), but if one must cook something via frying, one should use an oil that can actually handle the heat without breaking down into carcinogenic substances. The best oils for frying are actually the ones that are low in EFAs, like coconut oil, palm oil, and butter (a big shock, right?). Other oils that are good include high oleic sunflower and high oleic safflower oil.
The ultimate book on this subject is Fats that Heal, Fats that Kill, by Udo Erasmus.
whatnow5
08-10-07, 11:42 pm
I grow my own veggies, chickens - for eggs and meat, cows and hogs. I don't want someone in some underdeveloped country fucking with my food source becuase it is too important.
thats awesome. I have a garden in my back yard, I grow zucchini, peppers, and some tomatoes. I also have a grapefruit, and a lime tree. The citrus trees are still young and didnt get anything off of them but I should soon. next year I'm going to plant a lot more though, because its amazing to have food growing in you back yard.
Torque757
08-15-07, 3:00 pm
Personally, I think that the idea is pretty stupid. Let's face it, as humans accumulate knowledge, we create techniques to do things better and more efficiently. Embracing a diet thought out by stone age protohumans is foolish, considering the wealth of dietary knowledge available to us today. No dis intended, just my 2 cents.
The diet wasnt really "thought out", they ate what was avialable. So thier bodies ran best on those food types, and they havnt changed all that much since then. Those peaples were also in much better shape than the majorty of todays population.