View Full Version : PCT: Needed for Animal Stak or M-Stak?
Upstatetiger
01-21-07, 9:52 pm
When finishing up with the pak, pump, and M-stak cycle, is it necessary to run PCT or will your gains stay as long as you have a great diet set up?
Maximus
01-22-07, 12:08 am
When finishing up with the pak, pump, and M-stak cycle, is it necessary to run PCT or will your gains stay as long as you have a great diet set up?
No, methoxy doesn't require a PCT, and yes you will have a better chance of keeping your gains w/a good diet
lennoxchi
03-09-07, 3:54 pm
i am thinking about running a cycle of m-stak. what kind of PCT do i need? i'm thinking it's not going to involve nolva or any other serm is it? might just be enough to run an AI close to the end of the cycle, something like retain or rebound reloaded. let me know what you guys have experienced....
P_Venkman
03-09-07, 7:38 pm
M-Stak needs absolutely no PCT. It's not a hormonal product. It uses natural ecdysterones and isoflavones to help use nutrients for muscle building, instead of being stored as fat. Works especially well on a bulking diet and is great for hardgainers. I've used it a few times and have always put on at least 3 quality pounds of muscle in the three week length of the can. Good luck with it.
Young&Hungry
03-09-07, 9:40 pm
What is PCT?
Post-cycle therapy. Generally refers to steroids.
i am thinking about running a cycle of m-stak. what kind of PCT do i need? i'm thinking it's not going to involve nolva or any other serm is it? might just be enough to run an AI close to the end of the cycle, something like retain or rebound reloaded. let me know what you guys have experienced....
your post leads me to believe that you don't really know much about the supps you're going to take...you might wanna read up on m-stak a little more before u take it. you don't need pct.
Mr.Totality
03-09-07, 10:17 pm
db, I gotta agree. Dont take anything you dont know about.
Trapmonster
03-09-07, 10:42 pm
i have done all i know how to do to try to get info on m stack but i still dont know if it is legal in npc natural shows. if anyone has an answer it would be great to hear it. thanks ROCK ON
Stabiliser
03-10-07, 7:38 pm
EAsy guys the man is asking question we r here to help each other!! right!!!
and for the question i took mstak.. didnt work for me- but i think increasing the dosage to 600mg of flavones might give best results, and dnt worry about it- these are just herbs, non-steriods...
MickMars
03-12-07, 2:40 pm
you do not need PCT. And the awesome thing is... the mass and strength gains STAYS after you finish the cycle.
i am thinking about running a cycle of m-stak. what kind of PCT do i need? i'm thinking it's not going to involve nolva or any other serm is it? might just be enough to run an AI close to the end of the cycle, something like retain or rebound reloaded. let me know what you guys have experienced....
Yeah I agree with the boys, no pct required, no AI's. Just giv'er. You don't need PCT with any of the Animal line, however i have heard of people using Stak 2 as a PCT for prohormone cycles. If your really want to take something after, maybe cause you want to just maintain healthy liver enzyme levels, you can hit up some milk thistle (which is already in M-stak, however at a low dossage, so you could step that up) or N-Acetyl-Cysteine. Once again though, probably not neccesary because this isn't a methylated compound, but milk thistle is never a bad thing.
Do i need to PCT when Im done stak2?
Young&Hungry
06-09-07, 12:25 am
No. Stak 2 is a natural testosterone booster that helps you body to produce more testosterone on its own. Synthetic test and hormones (steroids) however overload your system with unnatural chemicals and slow your body's ability to produce hormones such as test, hGH, etc, by itself and send those output centers into temporary chaos once you cycle off the stuff.
Alrigh thanks I just finished my last pack of stak2 yesteday and im going to start Mstak next saturday. Taking a week off everything but protein and Creatine. Glad i dont gotta take a PCT thanks.
Giant Killer
06-09-07, 3:16 pm
Alrigh thanks I just finished my last pack of stak2 yesteday
Not to be a dick but the day after a supplement is done is a bad time to ask about PCT. Do more research comprehensively before starting a supplement regimen...
Hi guys,
Does Animal Stak require PCT?
To be more specific, what efforts do I need to take so that I retain the gains made over the 21-day Stak cycle?
Thanks,
Sak
JUGGERNAUT
06-26-08, 5:40 pm
The same things to maintain your strength and lean mass are the same things you will do to maintain any addition boost you get from a supplement.
cviewmike851
06-26-08, 5:45 pm
Hey bro, If I was taking Stak I wouldn't take a PCT off of it. A PCT is used for something like a prohormone where because you are putting artificial substances in your body, your body shuts down its natural production of testosterone because it is getting enough from your prohormone. Stak on the other hand is natural extracts which promote your body to create more of its own testosterone and to help keep free testosterone from binding with different chemicals and not being able to bind with androgen receptors. Stak has a DHT (Dihydrotestosterone) which causes hair loss and also has an Aromatase inhibitor in it which keeps the body from creating an excess of estrogen. the ingredients in Stak are natural and overall I would say no PCT is needed... just after you take it take the 3-4 weeks off it says to, thats what i do and ive never had any problems with gyno or anything like that
killyouintheface
06-26-08, 8:40 pm
I've read on here that taking M-Stack after you run through your cycle of Stak2 is helpful, but I don't recall if anybody said it was necessary or not.
Sir J-Werk
06-26-08, 8:49 pm
No, you do not need a PCT after taking Stak.... It is "suggested" that you take a cycle of M-Stak to preserve lean muscle gains after a cycle of Stak....
Iron4Life
06-26-08, 8:57 pm
no there is nothing hormonal in stak or any of the other animal/universal products for that matter...the only thing that requires pct are AAS, pro-steroids or pro hormones...so dont worry about it, your good to go
Fury317
06-26-08, 10:37 pm
Like everyone said, I dont believe you need a PCT, but coincidently the thought crossed my mind the other day. I just finished a cycle of Stak last Wednesday and from about Fri until Monday or Tuesday I looked softer and had less energy. Obviously this pissed me off, but its just the body adjusting. Today I went back to the "normal" me- got a good swell in the gym, looked solid throughout the day etc. So I would say, possibly expect this, but dont worry about it, youll keep your gains.
Thanks guys, for the terrific and prompt feedback.
Stak has a DHT (Dihydrotestosterone) which causes hair loss....
Guys, Is there anything that can be done to arrest the possible hair loss? Some medicated soap/shampoo, any diet modifications?
I shall be starting my cycle of Stak this week and needless to say am mighty excited about it!
Regards,
Sak
Thanks guys, for the terrific and prompt feedback.
Guys, Is there anything that can be done to arrest the possible hair loss? Some medicated soap/shampoo, any diet modifications?
I shall be starting my cycle of Stak this week and needless to say am mighty excited about it!
Regards,
Sak
Youre not going to lose your hair any faster than you would normally by taking Stak...
Stop worrying and go lift some weights...
Enforcer
06-30-08, 11:45 am
Hi guys,
Does Animal Stak require PCT?
To be more specific, what efforts do I need to take so that I retain the gains made over the 21-day Stak cycle?
Thanks,
Sak
Keep training and eating properly bro. Too many people after using a supplement don't train as hard as they did while taking a supplement such as Stak. That is the mistake right there. You should train right and eat properly all of the time, not just when you are using some hardcore supps.
Stop worrying and go lift some weights...
Yes, Sir! Point taken :-)
Giant Killer
06-30-08, 12:54 pm
Stak has a DHT (Dihydrotestosterone) which causes hair loss
NO
Guys, Is there anything that can be done to arrest the possible hair loss? Some medicated soap/shampoo, any diet modifications?
Woah woah woah there!!!
Stak has DHT BLOCKERS my friend, not DHT. These prevent the conversion of Testosterone to DHT. That would be highly illegal and irresponsible of any supplement company to do such a thing.
simpleguy
06-30-08, 1:03 pm
PCT after using a supplement is ridiculous in my book... also good call GK, I can't believe nobody realised till then lol
Shaffer_515
06-30-08, 1:17 pm
you dont need a PCT but you can use it as one if desired...if you take PH's stak is a good natural test booster to help you from getting shut down when you get off of them
I know these products are sold as natural products.
But do they require pct
simpleguy
07-05-08, 2:16 am
I know these products are sold as natural products.
But do they require pct
NO
You really can not compare steroids to Animalpak products.
What people have to remember here is we are talking about supplements not steroids, you will never need anything PCT wise (as in drugs) when taking any Animalpak Products.
All you need to do once off your paks is keep training the same, strive to lift more weight, keep protein/food intake the same, its exactly the same as what you would/should be doing on pak or off pak.
simpleguy
07-05-08, 12:51 pm
You really can not compare steroids to Animalpak products.
What people have to remember here is we are talking about supplements not steroids, you will never need anything PCT wise (as in drugs) when taking any Animalpak Products.
All you need to do once off your paks is keep training the same, strive to lift more weight, keep protein/food intake the same, its exactly the same as what you would/should be doing on pak or off pak.
yeah, agreed
G Diesel
07-05-08, 2:00 pm
I know these products are sold as natural products.
But do they require pct
Actually, they could more serve as a PCT component for prohormones or anabolics... They are natural products that themselves will cause no hormonal suppression. Peace, G
Agreed actually as I know people who use products like this off cycle of steroids along with certain products for PCT.