Yeah, I hear ya U Rep. While DHA is important, EFA supplementation doesn't end there, chemicals like EPA, CLA, GLA are highly important for overall positive EFA balance and health.
That's quite an interesting idea B. Those three are definitely important for building a solid foundation. They aren't sexy, but they help ya build a solid base.
There's a lot of positives with those... And, without a solid foundation, everything crumbles...
Well, when you're at Ox's level, prepping for a pro show, you can take 2-3 packs a day...
I think even non-prep, hard training athletes can benefit from more than 1 pack/ day. I'd be curious to hear more of Ox's feedback in regards to this as well.
Yeah, I hear ya U Rep. While DHA is important, EFA supplementation doesn't end there, chemicals like EPA, CLA, GLA are highly important for overall positive EFA balance and health.
Agreed. For some reason, a lot of fellas seem to get fixated on single things... It's gotta be only one form of this vitamin... I can't take any sugar at all.. Etc. Short-sighted.
I think even non-prep, hard training athletes can benefit from more than 1 pack/ day. I'd be curious to hear more of Ox's feedback in regards to this as well.
Definitely J, so many focus on grams of protein and carbs, and often overlook fats within their diet, what better and easier way then through a pack.
Alot seem to avoid Fats like the plague, but healthy fats made up from a variety of sources are a necessity for muscle function and growth
if i can only take it once during the day, should i take it in the morning with breakfast along with my pak? middle of the day with a meal? or right before bed with my casein shake?
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Personally I take mine as early in the day as I can, but not before Pak. Due to the anti-inflammatory nature I've heard from many that you don't want to take it post-training, since THAT inflammation is good. Or if you train early AM then it would be your last pack of the day (before PM, muahahaha). Also, I like to time my fattiest meal of the day, whether that's steak or something not clean, with it so that I'm discouraging my body from storing THOSE fats, as increased Omega 3 intake is supposed to do.
The problem I'm running in to is how to take both Test and Flex...if Flex is my 3rd priority and I train at night, and it shouldn't be taken with Pak or Test, when to take it? I used to take it the same time as Omega, maybe I'll do that again...
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Agreed. For some reason, a lot of fellas seem to get fixated on single things... It's gotta be only one form of this vitamin... I can't take any sugar at all.. Etc. Short-sighted.
Yep. I think that's human nature. We hear about things via the internet/news/magazine without having the full grasp of the big picture and how all of these nutrients interact and compliment each other. The only cure for this is reading more and trying to become more educated on the subject at hand so that the pieces start to fall into place.
Originally Posted by Beach91
Definitely J, so many focus on grams of protein and carbs, and often overlook fats within their diet, what better and easier way then through a pack.
Alot seem to avoid Fats like the plague, but healthy fats made up from a variety of sources are a necessity for muscle function and growth
That's exactly right. Fats, especially EFAs are often overlooked as protein and carbs are the hot button terms for bodybuilders and athletes. If only more could realize both the short term and long term benefits of EFAs, weekend warriors up to elite athletes could take their performance and health up a notch.
Originally Posted by Zeus92
if i can only take it once during the day, should i take it in the morning with breakfast along with my pak? middle of the day with a meal? or right before bed with my casein shake?
I don't believe there is a right and wrong time to take EFAs in the big picture. I would suggest being consistent and taking it the same time each day. If I could only take one pack, I would do it sometime in the morning. I do, however, like the concept of taking EFAs prior to bed with a slow digesting protein source. While anecdotal, I feel that the EFAs could help assist repair and recovery via slow released during the night.
Originally Posted by twoheadedboy
Personally I take mine as early in the day as I can, but not before Pak. Due to the anti-inflammatory nature I've heard from many that you don't want to take it post-training, since THAT inflammation is good. Or if you train early AM then it would be your last pack of the day (before PM, muahahaha). Also, I like to time my fattiest meal of the day, whether that's steak or something not clean, with it so that I'm discouraging my body from storing THOSE fats, as increased Omega 3 intake is supposed to do.
The problem I'm running in to is how to take both Test and Flex...if Flex is my 3rd priority and I train at night, and it shouldn't be taken with Pak or Test, when to take it? I used to take it the same time as Omega, maybe I'll do that again...
Flex with Omega would be fine IMHO. The concept of timing Omega, with an unclean fat source meal, so that the fats from Omega impede the absorption of the unhealthy fats is very interesting and I like to do that as well. Ideally though, I would also shoot to get in a pack or sources of healthy EFAs in the absence of high fat meals so that you can ensure best absorption of clean EFAs (as the fats via the various lipase enzymes compete for absorption).
Of all the Animal supplements in the line, this is the one that I go through the quickest. I take 3 packs a day: 1 pack in the morning, 1 pack in the afternoon and another pre-bed.
Originally Posted by Mr. Dead
Does that mean we might eventually see a larger can of Omega available, in the future...???
Originally Posted by G Diesel
2 packs a day for me. 1 in the AM, 1 before bed. Every day.
Omega is one of my very favorite and most important supps.
Peace, G
Originally Posted by Ox
Bottom line: I make sure to get in 2-3 paks a day.
i agree that Omega is right there with Pak as the foundation.
i take 1-2 packs of Omega per day plus i supplement with a high quality fish oil liquid too (to bump up my total EFAs/O-3's/EPA)
i really like that Omega is so well-rounded.
it looks like everyone is using is 1+ packs per day...
i really wish Corporate would consider a larger size.
44 would be good, but 60 would be even better.
i still think a combo package of Pak and Omega (44 of each?) would be awesome.
EFAs for the brain--EFAs play a key role in the transmission of signals from one nerve cell to another (neurons). Without proper EFA intake, signals can be diminished or thrown off course. I've seen studies which show if ya don't get enough EFAs, memory problems develop (and also behavior problems). Things like ADD and ADHD, in part, could be due to poor diet and lack of EFA consumption. Just think of it this way, have a shitty diet, a lack of EFAs and how is that gonna help your brain health (not to mention overall health)? EFAs can be very important for keeping the brain and nervous system healthy (the replenishment of healthy phospholipids in the body). Though I'm not a doctor, I often wonder how many diseased or diseased states could be improved with a change in the diet (and of course, incorporating 'em with other recommended treatment). I'm a big believer that if people consumed the right nutrients, and EFAs in particular, they would have quite a potent tool for their healing process.
i agree that Omega is right there with Pak as the foundation.
i take 1-2 packs of Omega per day plus i supplement with a high quality fish oil liquid too (to bump up my total EFAs/O-3's/EPA)
i really like that Omega is so well-rounded.
it looks like everyone is using is 1+ packs per day...
i really wish Corporate would consider a larger size.
44 would be good, but 60 would be even better.
i still think a combo package of Pak and Omega (44 of each?) would be awesome.
Just a quick calculation:
Each pack of Omega works out to about 80 cents when purchased via an online retailer. A can of tuna is typically ~80 cents to a dollar. IMHO, a pack of Omega (or other really high quality EFA source) should be looked at as essentially a food source because of its ability to provide nutritionally dense, high quality fat calories and not necessarily a supplement, as EFAs are a necessity for humans. Even before Animal Omega, I would still take EFA supps--fish oil softgels, borage softgels, evening primrose softgels, CLA softgels. They've always been a must-have in my nutritional view of human body.
Just a quick calculation:
Each pack of Omega works out to about 80 cents when purchased via an online retailer. A can of tuna is typically ~80 cents to a dollar. IMHO, a pack of Omega (or other really high quality EFA source) should be looked at as essentially a food source because of its ability to provide nutritionally dense, high quality fat calories and not necessarily a supplement, as EFAs are a necessity for humans. Even before Animal Omega, I would still take EFA supps--fish oil softgels, borage softgels, evening primrose softgels, CLA softgels. They've always been a must-have in my nutritional view of human body..
EFAs for the brain--EFAs play a key role in the transmission of signals from one nerve cell to another (neurons). Without proper EFA intake, signals can be diminished or thrown off course. I've seen studies which show if ya don't get enough EFAs, memory problems develop (and also behavior problems). Things like ADD and ADHD, in part, could be due to poor diet and lack of EFA consumption. Just think of it this way, have a shitty diet, a lack of EFAs and how is that gonna help your brain health (not to mention overall health)? EFAs can be very important for keeping the brain and nervous system healthy (the replenishment of healthy phospholipids in the body). Though I'm not a doctor, I often wonder how many diseased or diseased states could be improved with a change in the diet (and of course, incorporating 'em with other recommended treatment). I'm a big believer that if people consumed the right nutrients, and EFAs in particular, they would have quite a potent tool for their healing process.
I could not agree more. Am I the only one that can see the correlation between America's unhealthy eating habits and all of the crazy shit that people are doing nowadays? My brother was diagnosed with ADHD a while back and all it took to help him was changing his diet. Getting good foods in with the right supps made a world of difference. Same thing with my son who is slightly Autistic... what he eats dictates his behavior. There is a lot to be said for good nutrition and foundational supplementation.
Omega and Nitro are a must for me. Both deliver and are very cost effective in my humble opinion. Soon to add to my offseason stack, which is the same as Ox with some uni-liver thrown in.
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I have been nodding my head in agreement with all the comments made.
I whole heartedly agree with upping the amount of Omega to be at least standard with the Pak and Flex at 44 per can.
The 3 staples in my supplement intake is Pak, Flex and Omega and if i have spare cash i will see what my goals are and throw in other things as well.
JD
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I have been a dedicated Omega user from the very begginning. In my opinion the total quality of your entire diet is enhanced by adding these essestial nutrients. THESE ARE NOT A WASTE OF MONEY OR TIME! If you haven't tried them, change your mind and give them a shot. You won't be disappointed.
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Can't put a price tag on such a foundational supp... imo
That's right. Some supplements you can't put a price tag on b/c the benefits though not quick to hit the body like a stimulant, are very great in the long term.
Originally Posted by boyer77
I could not agree more. Am I the only one that can see the correlation between America's unhealthy eating habits and all of the crazy shit that people are doing nowadays? My brother was diagnosed with ADHD a while back and all it took to help him was changing his diet. Getting good foods in with the right supps made a world of difference. Same thing with my son who is slightly Autistic... what he eats dictates his behavior. There is a lot to be said for good nutrition and foundational supplementation.
There's definitely a correlation there B, IMHO. The effects of a poor diet, though somewhat obvious to us in the health sector, will be shown in a greater light as more and more studies come out. We can't expect to be healthy, both mentally and physically, if what we put in our bodies is sub-par. If only nutrition and health were better taught to us at a young age (in school). I mean it's great to be educated in math, science, language but we often neglect the understanding of how to live a healthy lifestyle. It's more and more difficult for the greater society to understand and practice as the prominent food choices around them are often highly processed. The easy thing to do is buy a processed meal rather than take the time to cook something healthy. I'm often left with trying to figure out how to explain to others how to best incorporate healthy foods into their lifestyle. It's a struggle but we need to do our part to help those around us understand the benefits of eating better and the impact it can have on them overall.
Originally Posted by Littlefry
Omega and Nitro are a must for me. Both deliver and are very cost effective in my humble opinion. Soon to add to my offseason stack, which is the same as Ox with some uni-liver thrown in.
Two solid basics there--EAAs and EFAs. Can't go wrong with 'em.
Originally Posted by J-DOG
I have been nodding my head in agreement with all the comments made.
I whole heartedly agree with upping the amount of Omega to be at least standard with the Pak and Flex at 44 per can.
The 3 staples in my supplement intake is Pak, Flex and Omega and if i have spare cash i will see what my goals are and throw in other things as well.
JD
The basics are the best way to start with supplements. I'm a big believer in taking care of the basics in order to succeed at what you do. For bodybuilding it's these basics--training, diet and basic supps.
Originally Posted by kevinyu
i have to agree too. omega is really underrated, same with flex
i upped my dosage of omega to 2 packs a day =]
Definitely agree--Flex and Omega are very underrated. They aren't flashy supplements but flashy isn't what builds a physique over the long haul. Being spectacular at the basics is what's needed in this game.
Originally Posted by Survivor831
I have been a dedicated Omega user from the very begginning. In my opinion the total quality of your entire diet is enhanced by adding these essestial nutrients. THESE ARE NOT A WASTE OF MONEY OR TIME! If you haven't tried them, change your mind and give them a shot. You won't be disappointed.
That's right. Adding Omega in addition to an already solid diet will further enhance the quality of the diet as it's extremely difficult to obtain quality EFAs from a typical bodybuilding diet. Omega is great b/c it allows you to tap into the benefit of EFAs without massive amounts of other unnecessary fats in addition.
There's definitely a correlation there B, IMHO. The effects of a poor diet, though somewhat obvious to us in the health sector, will be shown in a greater light as more and more studies come out. We can't expect to be healthy, both mentally and physically, if what we put in our bodies is sub-par. If only nutrition and health were better taught to us at a young age (in school). I mean it's great to be educated in math, science, language but we often neglect the understanding of how to live a healthy lifestyle. It's more and more difficult for the greater society to understand and practice as the prominent food choices around them are often highly processed. The easy thing to do is buy a processed meal rather than take the time to cook something healthy. I'm often left with trying to figure out how to explain to others how to best incorporate healthy foods into their lifestyle. It's a struggle but we need to do our part to help those around us understand the benefits of eating better and the impact it can have on them overall.
As a nurse, surrounded by the obesity epidemic (Both staff and patients...), I find this statement to be absolutely golden...