I promise to take everything you guys say as gospel truth. Therefore you will assume any or all liability when and if the contents isn't what you say it is. Deal slick?
You mean, you'll take it as the truth that I told you 2 company employees and 1 sponsored athlete gave you your answer but you disagree with them? Or to mind the rules of the forvm? I'll be more the happy to 'assume any or all liability' of a product that was moved from one brand to another. Chances are, IF there's something missing from the label, it has been the entire time and you never knew it, slick
"Ask yourself this: if everyone else is training once per week, what are you doing that's so different that you would expect to get better results than anybody else? You might have good genetics, be tough enough and disciplined enough to train hard... but so are a lot of people." - BOSS
"I think I must be overtraining"... no, you're just a pussy - Machine
I think an admin needs to go ahead and kill this thread. It's going nowhere and is completely un-productive. Isn't there still "the shit" folder?
"Ask yourself this: if everyone else is training once per week, what are you doing that's so different that you would expect to get better results than anybody else? You might have good genetics, be tough enough and disciplined enough to train hard... but so are a lot of people." - BOSS
"I think I must be overtraining"... no, you're just a pussy - Machine
At this point, what is the current issue that you are running into? Do you not believe that what is on the label is actually in the product? Are you wanting / expecting them to bring the product back as Animal Max instead of Max Protein? Will having the "Animal" name on the product make you feel more comfortable with the contents, even though it's the same product?
At this point, what is the current issue that you are running into? Do you not believe that what is on the label is actually in the product? Are you wanting / expecting them to bring the product back as Animal Max instead of Max Protein? Will having the "Animal" name on the product make you feel more comfortable with the contents, even though it's the same product?
Hey Nix-
I thought you guys already put this one in the "shit folder" thanks anyway kid I lost interest 3 posts ago.
I'm not basing it off the label bro its the actual product. I question the integrity of the contents.
Animal Max was converted to Universal Max Protein some while back. As the other reps had mentioned, it's the same product with the same formula made the same way as always at Universal headquarters who, as you probably know, make their own supplements rather than farming them out to other "contract manufacturers." Honestly, the product didn't sell well enough at the time to be kept in Animal, but it had a loyal following. So I believe the decision was made to keep the same formula, but move it to the Universal brand. Both the Animal and Universal brands have different reach, different goals and different audiences, both in the U.S. and internationally. So what might be wrong for one, might be right for the other.
I can't answer your question about the company's "integrity" as only you can. I get your skepticism and cynicism. The industry has a lot of accounting to do, with so many years of problems, false and misleading advertising, label claim issues, and the like. I mean shit, just think about the whole "protein spiking" issue – that was not that long ago.
That said, Universal has always held to the highest standards since 1977. And ever since GMPs were put into effect years ago, the industry has changed a lot – and for the better as far as consumers are concerned. The FDA has more authority, more oversight, and do a lot more inspections than they ever have before. They require new testing protocols on products that enter the market. The supplement industry is much more like pharma than it ever has before. But that doesn't mean companies still don't play games or push the envelope when maybe they shouldn't. It still ultimately comes down to the trust between a consumer and a company. Universal, if it matters to you, has always seen trust as something earned, one consumer at a time, and has worked hard to earn it through their practices. This may not be good enough for you and I get that. But it's what I can say and I wanted to say it.
If you felt that any of the reps here have been rude to you, I apologize on their behalf. The reps here are held to high standards, just like I (as a rep) hold myself to a high standard. We don't always succeed, but as with all things, we try our best.
PS: Sorry to open the thread after a Watchman closed it. I thought it was important to get this out there.
Animal Max was converted to Universal Max Protein some while back. As the other reps had mentioned, it's the same product with the same formula made the same way as always at Universal headquarters who, as you probably know, make their own supplements rather than farming them out to other "contract manufacturers." Honestly, the product didn't sell well enough at the time to be kept in Animal, but it had a loyal following. So I believe the decision was made to keep the same formula, but move it to the Universal brand. Both the Animal and Universal brands have different reach, different goals and different audiences, both in the U.S. and internationally. So what might be wrong for one, might be right for the other.
I can't answer your question about the company's "integrity" as only you can. I get your skepticism and cynicism. The industry has a lot of accounting to do, with so many years of problems, false and misleading advertising, label claim issues, and the like. I mean shit, just think about the whole "protein spiking" issue – that was not that long ago.
That said, Universal has always held to the highest standards since 1977. And ever since GMPs were put into effect years ago, the industry has changed a lot – and for the better as far as consumers are concerned. The FDA has more authority, more oversight, and do a lot more inspections than they ever have before. They require new testing protocols on products that enter the market. The supplement industry is much more like pharma than it ever has before. But that doesn't mean companies still don't play games or push the envelope when maybe they shouldn't. It still ultimately comes down to the trust between a consumer and a company. Universal, if it matters to you, has always seen trust as something earned, one consumer at a time, and has worked hard to earn it through their practices. This may not be good enough for you and I get that. But it's what I can say and I wanted to say it.
If you felt that any of the reps here have been rude to you, I apologize on their behalf. The reps here are held to high standards, just like I (as a rep) hold myself to a high standard. We don't always succeed, but as with all things, we try our best.
PS: Sorry to open the thread after a Watchman closed it. I thought it was important to get this out there.
I THANK YOU SIR! I've been pretty loyal to the Universal brand since the 70's, and I've used nothing but products from the animal line since you guys introduced it. Throughout the years i've always relied on supplementation for my competitive edge. I competed in over 70 bodybuilding contests and only placed out of the money in a handful. Your company can share the responsibility of my success. I'm 60 years old and i know i'm not entitled to an explanation but I thank you for appeasing an old fool. i merely made a statement indicating i did not get the same effect when the product was switched. THANKS again my friend I will continue to support the Universal/Animal lines. However i will reserve my commentary regarding product line on the forum.
Animal Max was converted to Universal Max Protein some while back. As the other reps had mentioned, it's the same product with the same formula made the same way as always at Universal headquarters who, as you probably know, make their own supplements rather than farming them out to other "contract manufacturers." Honestly, the product didn't sell well enough at the time to be kept in Animal, but it had a loyal following. So I believe the decision was made to keep the same formula, but move it to the Universal brand. Both the Animal and Universal brands have different reach, different goals and different audiences, both in the U.S. and internationally. So what might be wrong for one, might be right for the other.
I can't answer your question about the company's "integrity" as only you can. I get your skepticism and cynicism. The industry has a lot of accounting to do, with so many years of problems, false and misleading advertising, label claim issues, and the like. I mean shit, just think about the whole "protein spiking" issue – that was not that long ago.
That said, Universal has always held to the highest standards since 1977. And ever since GMPs were put into effect years ago, the industry has changed a lot – and for the better as far as consumers are concerned. The FDA has more authority, more oversight, and do a lot more inspections than they ever have before. They require new testing protocols on products that enter the market. The supplement industry is much more like pharma than it ever has before. But that doesn't mean companies still don't play games or push the envelope when maybe they shouldn't. It still ultimately comes down to the trust between a consumer and a company. Universal, if it matters to you, has always seen trust as something earned, one consumer at a time, and has worked hard to earn it through their practices. This may not be good enough for you and I get that. But it's what I can say and I wanted to say it.
If you felt that any of the reps here have been rude to you, I apologize on their behalf. The reps here are held to high standards, just like I (as a rep) hold myself to a high standard. We don't always succeed, but as with all things, we try our best.
PS: Sorry to open the thread after a Watchman closed it. I thought it was important to get this out there.
I truly appreciate this information U-Rep! Ever since the movie "Bigger Stronger Faster", everyone thinks there is zero regulation and supp companies can put in whatever they want into their supplements. Remember when MuscleTech was adding Nandrolone to their products and got caught years ago? Just one crazy example.
You're right, the overall impression of the Supp industry to the masses is still based on ignorance or old info. Just for a marketing op, y'all should really discuss the GMP situation and the increased regulation, etc from the FDA that you have mentioned. It would DEFINITELY boost sales and give a more positive outlook on the Supp industry in general, plus it's simply solid marketing. Could even put out some kind of letter or small laminated pamphlet like y'all have been putting in the FLEX cans discussing the discoloration of some of the pills instead with information discussing something like "Produced in a GMP certified facility with FDA approval. 100% made in America." That would be quite the statement that y'all can easily back up. You could even send some kind of Animal style PDF letter to all of the supp selling websites too. Just some thoughts...
*If y'all would remove the iron in Max Protein, I'd switch to that. Love the protein profile as it would be a perfect pre-bed shake on training days.
I truly appreciate this information U-Rep! Ever since the movie "Bigger Stronger Faster", everyone thinks there is zero regulation and supp companies can put in whatever they want into their supplements. Remember when MuscleTech was adding Nandrolone to their products and got caught years ago? Just one crazy example.
You're right, the overall impression of the Supp industry to the masses is still based on ignorance or old info. Just for a marketing op, y'all should really discuss the GMP situation and the increased regulation, etc from the FDA that you have mentioned. It would DEFINITELY boost sales and give a more positive outlook on the Supp industry in general, plus it's simply solid marketing. Could even put out some kind of letter or small laminated pamphlet like y'all have been putting in the FLEX cans discussing the discoloration of some of the pills instead with information discussing something like "Produced in a GMP certified facility with FDA approval. 100% made in America." That would be quite the statement that y'all can easily back up. You could even send some kind of Animal style PDF letter to all of the supp selling websites too. Just some thoughts...
*If y'all would remove the iron in Max Protein, I'd switch to that. Love the protein profile as it would be a perfect pre-bed shake on training days.
Iron? I don't think the iron is "added" to the product, but occurs in one of the ingredients. The question is, which one? I can try and find out.