I know there's literature out there supporting ketogenic diets and strength training, however I am looking for some personal experiences. All insight welcome.
I know there's literature out there supporting ketogenic diets and strength training, however I am looking for some personal experiences. All insight welcome.
The times I have ran keto, I never had issues with strength falling off. Are you powerlifting or more goaled towards a body building style of training? I know Cory Appleton has ran keto as long as I've known him (1 year roughly) and for a while was doing 2x a day workouts and never had issues with it. I'll hit him up and get him to log in here for ya to reply. The times I've ran keto, my protein & fats were through the roof though. I never felt great on keto + lower cals + weights & cardio (which is what I was advised originally to do when I found out about keto). I could power through, but it definitely wasn't optimal. I'd always raise my cals pretty well going into ketosis but never had issues with dropping fat.
"Ask yourself this: if everyone else is training once per week, what are you doing that's so different that you would expect to get better results than anybody else? You might have good genetics, be tough enough and disciplined enough to train hard... but so are a lot of people." - BOSS
"I think I must be overtraining"... no, you're just a pussy - Machine
From what I have heard people say it´s a good diet for strength training, like powerlifting for example. Heavy lifts in the max rep ranges (1-3) do not depend on glucose as much. They are fueled by ATP. Therefore a low or no carb diet theoretically shouldn´t impact strength.
Your endurance will suffer for sure. So, bodybuilding training with reps of 8-20 will be pretty hard or not optimal on this diet.
I know there's literature out there supporting ketogenic diets and strength training, however I am looking for some personal experiences. All insight welcome.
Been running strict keto for a year now this month.
When I first started I trimmed nicely, but lost strength. All of my lifts went down. My decision to not be "fat strong" stuck though. So I kept at it. Fast forward a year later and all of my lifts are better than they were before and I'm 50 lbs lighter.
YOU HAVE TO EAT.
I ate 2lbs of brisket for lunch the other day. You have to eat. Period. If you're getting enough fat and protein, you'll continue to build muscle. If you're not eating enough, you're going to get weak. You can hit me up on IG or FB if you're wanting more advice on it.
The times I have ran keto, I never had issues with strength falling off. Are you powerlifting or more goaled towards a body building style of training? I know Cory Appleton has ran keto as long as I've known him (1 year roughly) and for a while was doing 2x a day workouts and never had issues with it. I'll hit him up and get him to log in here for ya to reply. The times I've ran keto, my protein & fats were through the roof though. I never felt great on keto + lower cals + weights & cardio (which is what I was advised originally to do when I found out about keto). I could power through, but it definitely wasn't optimal. I'd always raise my cals pretty well going into ketosis but never had issues with dropping fat.
Still doing the 2 a days. Feel great now that I've been on it for so long. The first couple of weeks to a month in are rough. Fuck cardio.
Still doing the 2 a days. Feel great now that I've been on it for so long. The first couple of weeks to a month in are rough. Fuck cardio.
I guess I should have specified GVT 2x a day. Are you still doing that?
"Ask yourself this: if everyone else is training once per week, what are you doing that's so different that you would expect to get better results than anybody else? You might have good genetics, be tough enough and disciplined enough to train hard... but so are a lot of people." - BOSS
"I think I must be overtraining"... no, you're just a pussy - Machine
Been running strict keto for a year now this month.
When I first started I trimmed nicely, but lost strength. All of my lifts went down. My decision to not be "fat strong" stuck though. So I kept at it. Fast forward a year later and all of my lifts are better than they were before and I'm 50 lbs lighter.
YOU HAVE TO EAT.
I ate 2lbs of brisket for lunch the other day. You have to eat. Period. If you're getting enough fat and protein, you'll continue to build muscle. If you're not eating enough, you're going to get weak. You can hit me up on IG or FB if you're wanting more advice on it.
Good luck, brother.
Much thanks for the input, I've recently gotten into powerlifting over the past 6 months after doing more bodybuilding type splits for the years prior. But like you, I don't want to have to be "fat strong" to get where I want to be.
I don’t have any personal experience with keto - I love carbs way too much...but I would maybe check out josh Bryant’s book “keto built”. Dudes one of the best strength coaches out there, so I’d definitely heed what he has to say on the matter.
I know there's literature out there supporting ketogenic diets and strength training, however I am looking for some personal experiences. All insight welcome.
You will lose strength and will have a difficult time getting it back without eating carbs if you're natty. I've run keto before, you will drop body weight quick; therefore, strength will suffer.
Don't do it because crazy diets are a trendy new hip thing, do it because you're wanting to drop some serious body fat to be healthier and just know you'll have to try to maintain your strength as much as you can.
Don't do it because crazy diets are a trendy new hip thing, do it because you're wanting to drop some serious body fat to be healthier and just know you'll have to try to maintain your strength as much as you can.
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That´s a good point there.
Why do you want to do the Keto diet?
Trust me. There is no holy grail or secret method out there. And Keto is certainly not optimal for any performance athlete. Manageable, yes. Optimal? Far from it.
That´s a good point there.
Why do you want to do the Keto diet?
Trust me. There is no holy grail or secret method out there. And Keto is certainly not optimal for any performance athlete. Manageable, yes. Optimal? Far from it.
Good question. What sparked my interest was a Josh Bryant interview done on the Muscle Expert Podcast. They briefly discussed there not being a big need for carbs in a powerlifting program where the total volume is low and rest periods are sometimes longer. Since I have been venturing into powerlifting over the past few months I've assumed there is a need to at least reduce my carbs from where they were in a bodybuilding program to avoid excess fat gain. I certainly want to get strong but I don't feel the need to get fat in the process. Maybe keto isn't the answer I'm not sure, that's why I have a great respect for all of the feedback on the forum.
Good question. What sparked my interest was a Josh Bryant interview done on the Muscle Expert Podcast. They briefly discussed there not being a big need for carbs in a powerlifting program where the total volume is low and rest periods are sometimes longer. Since I have been venturing into powerlifting over the past few months I've assumed there is a need to at least reduce my carbs from where they were in a bodybuilding program to avoid excess fat gain. I certainly want to get strong but I don't feel the need to get fat in the process. Maybe keto isn't the answer I'm not sure, that's why I have a great respect for all of the feedback on the forum.
His advice is for advanced Powerlifters at the top levels. They hit super heavy weights but far less volume due to being so strong and possible CNS fatigue; therefore, due to much less volume even though with heavy weight, they don't need a massive amount of carbs. At that level, you REALLY have to worry about wearing yourself out (as it's easy to do with super heavy weights) and staying injury free. Plus, remember like I said above, these guys take tons of drugs. That really does change things whether we want to believe it or not!
If you're just starting out, you're going to have to eat A LOT to keep those gains coming and build a strength base. Just part of it. As you get further along you can tailor things but gains will NOT come from going low carb or carb less.
Have you checked out the Renaissance Diet? I follow some of those principles and it's working great! I'm down to 272.2 from 292 =)
*Again, if you're just starting out, strength should be your focus. Don't be distracted by the massive amount of trendy bullshit being pushed by trainers and coaches everywhere these days for financial gain.
His advice is for advanced Powerlifters at the top levels. They hit super heavy weights but far less volume due to being so strong and possible CNS fatigue; therefore, due to much less volume even though with heavy weight, they don't need a massive amount of carbs. At that level, you REALLY have to worry about wearing yourself out (as it's easy to do with super heavy weights) and staying injury free. Plus, remember like I said above, these guys take tons of drugs. That really does change things whether we want to believe it or not!
If you're just starting out, you're going to have to eat A LOT to keep those gains coming and build a strength base. Just part of it. As you get further along you can tailor things but gains will NOT come from going low carb or carb less.
Have you checked out the Renaissance Diet? I follow some of those principles and it's working great! I'm down to 272.2 from 292 =)
*Again, if you're just starting out, strength should be your focus. Don't be distracted by the massive amount of trendy bullshit being pushed by trainers and coaches everywhere these days for financial gain.
I heard the Renaissance Diet mentioned somewhere else recently but haven’t taken the time to check it out yet. I definitely will now. Thanks for the insight man.
I heard the Renaissance Diet mentioned somewhere else recently but haven’t taken the time to check it out yet. I definitely will now. Thanks for the insight man.
I did Keto for four years along with powerlifting. Acutally, the years i was ranked #1 in the world at 220 were the years I was keto. (maybe I should switch back). I had a great experience and I felt very healthy. I was very lean, looked more like a fighter than a powerlifter. Dan would make fun of me for being skinny.
My training was very different. I always trained with a higher intensity and much lower volume. For example, I would train 8-10 singles or doubles at 85%. i would never get a pump, and I would not do a lot of accessory work.
When I decided to switch diets and become a larger human being, i responded very well to carbs. Just a few weeks of carbs and I was up from 228 lbs to 240 lbs and still lean but looking huge and muscular. BUt after a while I kept gaining weight, the abs went away. But i could manage huge amounts of volume in the gym and i really experienced pumps.
Im not sure which I prefer, Im much lower on the carbs(sitting at 236lbs) and thinking of going back to low carb paleo (and keto).
How do you expect to run with the wolves at night if you spend all day stuntin with the puppies?