I am sooo happy it is my back day today and this thread resurfaced. I think I am going to try your routine today Beast. Yes, I know the struggles of being a long armed big guy. I am a little worried that I will be too spent to even hold myself for the negatives with the chins at the end but ill give it a go
Those are some of my favorite exercises I perform regularly. Typically, 5 movements and if I have time and my muscles aren't fried I'll hit a 6th.
1. Deadlift (don't lie it's hard and nothing works it better, plus conjugate variations for greater back growth);
2. Chest supported Row (plate loaded);
3. Bent Barbell Row;
4. One Arm DB Row;
5. Seated Low Row;
6. Pulldown variations;
7. Chins.
I put chins last because for us heavier guys with super long arms, it's difficult to get full back recruitment because you have to use so much forearm/biceps to pull yourself up. Also #2-4 can be in any order as they're all very great for my back development. With the Chest Supported Row you can do 3 different types of rows so that is why I placed it at #2.
Chins, Seated Low Row and Pulldown variations are typically more finishing type movements. I'm currently focusing on Rowing movements to correct some muscle imbalances and help my right shoulder sit back more in the socket.
I was basically shamed into doing deadlifts early. You know the "All show and no go"! Bullshit. I started very slow, very light for fear of injury. After some goading ( and I use the term lightly) I began using some serious poundages (for me anyway) long story short 505 for 3 @ 186 lbs. after 3 weeks. It just wasn't worth the effort for what I was doing. So I dropped it and went back to my 100 hypers a day (with no resistance added) Oh yeah, I also did my bent over rows OLD SCHOOL STYLE I'm sure that had a lot to do building strength in my lumbars.
I was basically shamed into doing deadlifts early. You know the "All show and no go"! Bullshit. I started very slow, very light for fear of injury. After some goading ( and I use the term lightly) I began using some serious poundages (for me anyway) long story short 505 for 3 @ 186 lbs. after 3 weeks. It just wasn't worth the effort for what I was doing. So I dropped it and went back to my 100 hypers a day (with no resistance added) Oh yeah, I also did my bent over rows OLD SCHOOL STYLE I'm sure that had a lot to do building strength in my lumbars.
Rack pulls are your friend =) train them from various heights.
You don't see those that much anymore. The newer pullover machines just aren't the same.
Shame, I'm yet to try the later even.
Originally Posted by ChrisTuttle
T-bar rows chest supported?
Yes I have. We have one at Powerhouse New Haven. Great machine!
Not so much. I like the barbell in the corner ones, I"ll do my best to describe why. I start with my back parallel to the ground, arms full stretched out in front of my head so it stretches my lat right out too. Then as I pull the weight up my back gradually goes from parallel to maybe 45 degrees. Because of that my elbow starts around my head then finishes at my side.
It certainly looks it. We have and abundance of chest isolation machines, you would hope a pullover machine would be as common.
Is New Haven the gym with the red room of +20lbs?
Originally Posted by Altered Beast
I'd break it down like this:
1. Deadlift (don't lie it's hard and nothing works it better, plus conjugate variations for greater back growth);
2. Chest supported Row (plate loaded);
3. Bent Barbell Row;
4. One Arm DB Row;
5. Seated Low Row;
6. Pulldown variations;
7. Chins.
I put chins last because for us heavier guys with super long arms, it's difficult to get full back recruitment because you have to use so much forearm/biceps to pull yourself up. Also #2-4 can be in any order as they're all very great for my back development. With the Chest Supported Row you can do 3 different types of rows so that is why I placed it at #2.
Chins, Seated Low Row and Pulldown variations are typically more finishing type movements. I'm currently focusing on Rowing movements to correct some muscle imbalances and help my right shoulder sit back more in the socket.
I re-incorporated deadlifts after seeing Jordan Peter's back. The did very little for my "back" but a huge amount for my hams, erectors and glutes so I keep doing them.
[QUOTE=0RiFt0;1465674]Shame, I'm yet to try the later even.
Not so much. I like the barbell in the corner ones, I"ll do my best to describe why. I start with my back parallel to the ground, arms full stretched out in front of my head so it stretches my lat right out too. Then as I pull the weight up my back gradually goes from parallel to maybe 45 degrees. Because of that my elbow starts around my head then finishes at my side.
It certainly looks it. We have and abundance of chest isolation machines, you would hope a pullover machine would be as common.
Is New Haven the gym with the red room of +20lbs?
I will have to give those a shot again. I never used to like them for I never felt a good connection with them. Yes, New Haven Powerhouse is where Evan trains.
Killed the chin ups at the end of a killer lift yesterday. Ended up getting three sets of 8 in with a hand spot on my ankles...full exhaustion and feeling it today. Got to love it.Thanks Beast and the boys
I re-incorporated deadlifts after seeing Jordan Peter's back. The did very little for my "back" but a huge amount for my hams, erectors and glutes so I keep doing them.
Bruddah, I said hit a variety of conjugate movements with the Deadlift to maximize gains. Rack Pulls from various heights, pulling off of blocks at different heights, pull vs band & chains, reverse band deadlift, etc. You can even try different bars to keep the gains coming.
*If you're just pulling from the floor week in and week out, the same muscles get trained. Rack Pulls for example or pulling against accomodating resistance hammers the back muscles.
In my experience I've noticed, when it comes to the Powerlifts (basic Barbell movements) variety is the ultimate way to never stagnate. I'm blessed to have endless toys to keep the gains coming so I've done plenty of experimentation.
Bruddah, I said hit a variety of conjugate movements with the Deadlift to maximize gains. Rack Pulls from various heights, pulling off of blocks at different heights, pull vs band & chains, reverse band deadlift, etc. You can even try different bars to keep the gains coming.
How do you decide when to try a different variation. When you stagnate on the orginal? Would you do more than one in the same period of time?