Ox I'm really diggin on your attitude towards nutrition. Back to the basics. I see you like to eat salad alot, and I'm gonna ask(amongst 2 million other questions for you), what type of ingredients do you put in your salads? I believe humans need a wide variety of veggies, and most salad eaters eat lettuce with shredded carrots and cabbage, and croutons and crap. Personally I rely on V8 juice for alot of my veggies, but I'm interested to know what other veggies you throw in your salad besides lettuce.
V8 is not a replacement for veggies. You are missing an important part of the vegetables - fiber
Ox I'm really diggin on your attitude towards nutrition. Back to the basics. I see you like to eat salad alot, and I'm gonna ask(amongst 2 million other questions for you), what type of ingredients do you put in your salads? I believe humans need a wide variety of veggies, and most salad eaters eat lettuce with shredded carrots and cabbage, and croutons and crap. Personally I rely on V8 juice for alot of my veggies, but I'm interested to know what other veggies you throw in your salad besides lettuce.
Depends on whether it's offseason or pre-contest. Off-season I'll go with shredded carrots, tomato, avocado, shredded beats and just plain lettuce. Obviously there's a significant amount of carbs in there. So pre-contest, if I have a salad it'll be made out of alfalfa sprouts (much more nutritious than lettuce) and that's it. Maybe add some cucumbers. Otherwise, I'll steam fresh spinach . I'm a big beliver in leafy greens. They're packed with nutrients, they oxygenate, clean, and enrich your blood, and they also keep you regular. I've never used V8. I looked at it once but it was way too high in sodium and really lacked anything significant. I wouldn't bother with it if I were you.
As you saw recently in my "Torrent vs. Belly" post, and the one in here, it wasn't working so well with me. Causing some serious stomach discomfort, bloat, and bubbling. I've pretty much come to the conclusion that it was the extra dose of creatine doing this. I've used post-workout drinks before with almost the same amounts of leucine and other aminos. I've used dextrose and hydrolysate, and there were no problems. I used a PWO drink once with about 3-4g of creatine in it, but at that time I WASN'T taking a creatine pre-workout as well. I take Pump, and the 6g total between Pump and Torrent is just too much I think. I bet the Pump creatine is still active and doing it's job post-workout, so more just makes it bad.
I have two options. Do you think adding more water to my Torrent would help... or make it worse? Would that cause the creatine to run more smoothly if it had a bigger abundance to pull in, or would that heighten the effects? The second choice would be just buying some bulk waxy maize (some company just came out with one that's CHEAP) and Animal Nitro. I could hit the waxy maize with Nitro immediately post-workout, then follow up 15-20 minutes later with a whey shake in water. Then of course a little while later a whole food meal to finish it all off. Thanks again for your help.
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mad props to you bro. a complete honor to be on the same board posting along with other fellow brothers of iron and a few pros. on what other forum can you do that? well....i can say..none that matter!! looking forward to all your insight in this journey for yourself and the rest of the brother/sisterhood!!
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anyone trying this type of diet, smart balance just came out with all natural omega-3 peanut butter...
If they use flax seed oil for the omega-3s forget it. If you're going to consume flax seed oil it must be, and always have been, refrigerated. Not only that but the processing has to be meticulous. Even then, I'd go light on it because flax seed oil can raise estrogen. Just use plain old organic peanutr butter; Trader Joe's organic kills everyone else out there. Then just take fish oil supps for the omega3s. You'll be much better off. Trust me.
As you saw recently in my "Torrent vs. Belly" post, and the one in here, it wasn't working so well with me. Causing some serious stomach discomfort, bloat, and bubbling. I've pretty much come to the conclusion that it was the extra dose of creatine doing this. I've used post-workout drinks before with almost the same amounts of leucine and other aminos. I've used dextrose and hydrolysate, and there were no problems. I used a PWO drink once with about 3-4g of creatine in it, but at that time I WASN'T taking a creatine pre-workout as well. I take Pump, and the 6g total between Pump and Torrent is just too much I think. I bet the Pump creatine is still active and doing it's job post-workout, so more just makes it bad.
I have two options. Do you think adding more water to my Torrent would help... or make it worse? Would that cause the creatine to run more smoothly if it had a bigger abundance to pull in, or would that heighten the effects? The second choice would be just buying some bulk waxy maize (some company just came out with one that's CHEAP) and Animal Nitro. I could hit the waxy maize with Nitro immediately post-workout, then follow up 15-20 minutes later with a whey shake in water. Then of course a little while later a whole food meal to finish it all off. Thanks again for your help.
I would wait a little while and see if you adjust and if not, mix half torrent and half waxy maize.
I started your style of diet yesterday, and even though there should be a 48-96 hour delay before the body starts relying solely on ketones, I feel great. No more bloating from the carbs! I seem to have my insulin response on a hair-trigger, so carbs were seriously fucking up my blood sugar. Without the carbs, the only side-effect is that I feel a little fuzzy in the head, if that makes any sense. I am following the diet you posted closely, substituting tuna in wherever I can due to time restrictions, and it is working out damned well. How long does it usually take before the diet snaps in to place mentally? Will the fuzzy-headed feeling go away?
Also:
You posted your diet, can you give us a heads-up on what you take post-workout on this diet?
Thanks for all the tips and support, you fucking rock.
I started your style of diet yesterday, and even though there should be a 48-96 hour delay before the body starts relying solely on ketones, I feel great. No more bloating from the carbs! I seem to have my insulin response on a hair-trigger, so carbs were seriously fucking up my blood sugar. Without the carbs, the only side-effect is that I feel a little fuzzy in the head, if that makes any sense. I am following the diet you posted closely, substituting tuna in wherever I can due to time restrictions, and it is working out damned well. How long does it usually take before the diet snaps in to place mentally? Will the fuzzy-headed feeling go away?
Also:
You posted your diet, can you give us a heads-up on what you take post-workout on this diet?
Thanks for all the tips and support, you fucking rock.
Hey buddy. Yup everything you explained is normal. It usually takes 2-4 days before you body runs out of glycogen, in the the meantime your brain doesn't yet know to switch to ketones. Once the glycogen is wiped ou, your brain will flip the switch and you will feel crystal clear. Also, you may feel a little flat for a couple of weeks and then your pumps will be great. Just stick with it. Post-workout on this diet I just have a shake. 50-60g whey isloate and 2 tbsp peanut butter. I take my Animal nitro before and after training then slam the shake. Universal's BCAA powder throughout my workout helps induce solid pupms and keeps me from entering a catabolic state. Keep in mind the pwo thing isn't as important when dieting as in the offseason. While dieting, your calories for the day, so long as they're spaced out, are your calories for the day. The key while dieting is to sustain yourself not build. Therefore PWO isn't as crucial.
I've posted this in some other threads but I guessed you missed it. Anyway, I'm just wondering how is your shoulder routine like? You have killer delts and it's really inspiring. Thanks in advance for the reply bro.
Hey Ox,
Just want to give props to you brother. I just read through all 5 pages of this and the amount of information youve given all of us is insane! Its obvious that you are here to help us all and better the sport of bodybuilding. You are truly a man that I look up to and I will continue to check this thread to soak up all knowledge from you. Thanks!
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Yo Ox I was wondering whats your take on using Nitro G since your using a high fat diet do you ever use simple sugars post workout or do you only use fats. You said in a previous post that you use peanut butter post workout I thought we wanted to spike insulin post workout. Also do you think its ok to use nitro G even when on a cutting diet (post workout only).
I've posted this in some other threads but I guessed you missed it. Anyway, I'm just wondering how is your shoulder routine like? You have killer delts and it's really inspiring. Thanks in advance for the reply bro.
Shoulder training goes like this: 4 exercises. Super set 2 and 2.
Example:
Barbell Shoulder press superset with dumbell side laterals x 4 sets (the usual 8-12 rep range)
Bent over dumbell laterals superset with upright rows x 4 sets (same rep range)
I might finish off with some dips or some rear delts on the reverse pec deck.
Yo Ox I was wondering whats your take on using Nitro G since your using a high fat diet do you ever use simple sugars post workout or do you only use fats. You said in a previous post that you use peanut butter post workout I thought we wanted to spike insulin post workout. Also do you think its ok to use nitro G even when on a cutting diet (post workout only).
When I diet, because I use a ZERO carb diet, nitro G is not an option. I use the regular nitro to still get the aminos. Like I mentioned in a previous post, pwo carb intake is not necessary when dieting. When I'm dieting I DO NOT WANT TO SPIKE MY INSULIN EVER. That is the idea behind a zero carb diet; to keep insulin dormant. Offseason is where carb intake PWO and insulin spiking is important.
Hey Ox,
Just want to give props to you brother. I just read through all 5 pages of this and the amount of information youve given all of us is insane! Its obvious that you are here to help us all and better the sport of bodybuilding. You are truly a man that I look up to and I will continue to check this thread to soak up all knowledge from you. Thanks!
Hey man, I'm here for you guys. As much as I'm offering my advice, knowledge etc. , I'm here to learn from you guys too. We can all benefit from each other.
When I diet, because I use a ZERO carb diet, nitro G is not an option. I use the regular nitro to still get the aminos. Like I mentioned in a previous post, pwo carb intake is not necessary when dieting. When I'm dieting I DO NOT WANT TO SPIKE MY INSULIN EVER. That is the idea behind a zero carb diet; to keep insulin dormant. Offseason is where carb intake PWO and insulin spiking is important.
But at the same time, you're so carb depleted on this diet, that the BCAA's you take in spike your blood sugar. Your blood sugar/insulin is also very sensitized. BCAA's actually have a very decent effect on insulin. You still utilize the post-workout opportunity of insulin with protein & BCAA supps. Just minus the carbs.
thanks for answering everybody's questions, i've been learning a lot as i'm sure everybody else has too. i had 2 quick questions if u wouldnt mind answering.
1) in the offseason, should your first meal be bigger than the others since you have been asleep without nutrition for an extended period of time (other than downing a protein shake in the middle of the night) ?
2) what does your diet look like on the day of ur competition? i know u dont use carbs when dieting, but do you carb up at all ?