oh no I didn't miss that. That's why I said what I said about the Military shirts. Animal gave away 10 and only like 5 of us put in for them. No one signed up. I ever kept the post going and reminded everyone. Like I said not trying to piss on anyone but when things like that are done and no response is given, it goes elsewhere like IG because the response there is greater. I miss the days when it was that way years ago, but I think the supply and demand has changed. we still have those things just not as much, I cant say I don't blame corp though, if it was my company I prob would be focusing on the social media side because it draws in the most unfortunately for us on the forum that lessens our chances but as tried and true that doesn't really matter to me, I will still be here with no expectations. I know NG and Jdawg miss those days as well but there are more decision makers that see bigger sights than just us. Im in no way saying im right, I don't think there is a right or wrong. Just don't want the ones on here to sound demanding because it kind of does.
Well if people are demanding...I am still demanding a 5xl tall Animal shirt that I can purchase. I would pay price and a half with no desire for kick backs...just want me an Animal shirt :) Glad you are back out of the shadows.
Now that's is a understandable demand my good man!!!
Originally Posted by Bean
Well if people are demanding...I am still demanding a 5xl tall Animal shirt that I can purchase. I would pay price and a half with no desire for kick backs...just want me an Animal shirt :) Glad you are back out of the shadows.
INSTAGRAM : @npcdusty
Thanks,
NPCDUSTY
Dusty Young
Jackson Tennessee ABC Coordinator
“I realized early on that success was tied to not giving up. Most people in this business gave up and went on to other things. If you simply didn’t give up, you would outlast the people who came in on the bus with you.”
Bingo! Living in the generation of what have you done for me lately. I'm sorry but I picked up my first Animal product in the 90s and never thought man if I use this someday they are going to give me something free and not one time have I ever expected it. For several years now I drive to Ohio and been lucky enough to work my way up to intern and bust my ass for several days working the booth on little to no sleep or rest, why because i love the company and the folks involved. Animal is not the cheapest product out there yet its not the most expensive either. I have had the opportunity to get my hands on some free stuff, trials, and discounts when given out. Not to long ago the free Animal military shirts were given away on the forum and only like 5 of us actually put in for it. I got one and then turned it in to a giveaway at home to a Vet who obviously deserved it more than I did. I'm not saying corporate does or doesn't care if we buy stuff straight from them or retail but I don't use that as my decision when I order my supps. If its cheaper to get from A1 or BB.com that's where I go. and most of the time I get a free shaker or something. This week alone, I bought whey, collagen, and some bcaa. Got a free coffee mug and shaker because that's the deal A1 had going. That's how marketing and business works. They bought from corporate and draw folks into the site with good prices and free things with certain products. Now have I gotten emails from Animal when site sales and discounts go out, YEP do I use it, YEP. did everyone in the world get the email NO, because they are not signed up for it. But it does get posted on IG and FB so eventually words gets out. So it would be no time before the word got out that if your on the forum you get free stuff, imagine the crap traffic....I like our world here as is by word of mouth. As a moderator I try to weed out the crap. I never expect anything back from anything I do as a fan or someone who buys the product. What I do expect is to buy the brand and get what I am paying for and that's why I choose Animal and Universal. Sorry for the rant but as I set here and read some of the last few days posts it kind of pisses me off to see the back lash of not getting something "free" or "given back". And the idea that because frank is no longer a face in the group some will leave. Man im going to miss Frank, had the pleasure of many talks with him at the Arnold behind the chaos. nice one on one talks about life and just ruin of the meal stuff. and as much as he was a face of Animal, he is not animal. We are. You are! I remember the day I saw the first poster of animal, squat till you puke. Couldn't see the guys face but I knew that dude had it, that company had it. I became Animal. I lived the lifestyle, the brand, the family. Yep Frank will be missed but you know he will always be family and I know he and the company will continue to prosper. Free stuff, points, whatever, im not going anywhere! The forum will live out its days as best it can and Animal will rage on! I'm not trying to piss on anyone here but I think these days of entitlement need to be set aside and everyone get back to the basics. Work hard and get results.
I don't disagree with anything you are saying... but we do live in society that is molding us to expect things like loyal members discounts and fuel saving discounts. I have never been one to use punch cards or items like that. Hell, I have to say every time I shop, " No, I don't have a fuel savers card and I don't want one." I shop there because I like their product, not the thought of cheaper gas. But many people probably do bank on that cheaper gas or the free pizza after the 10th one was bought. The point im making is...some people value those discounts or free items and we cant judge or blame them for feeling that way. We all come from different walks of life, different upbringings, different social status...we just have to meet people where they are at. Now the stuff about not following the product line due to Frank leaving.. I chalked that statement up to old age by Spartan. You can tell he loves the product and tries to spark conversations, which he has done. I don't think there was "backlash" either...just guys voicing a thought. Just glad you threw your thoughts in on it...because it has been awhile since we have seen you with any regular frequency on here and anyone that has been on threads with you knows your knowledge and drive is valuable to the Brothers and sisters in here.
"
Sorry you find this disappointing its just how I read some of whats been said. im not saying its all about what you said but here is kind of what im getting at:
"I'd gladly purchase my supplements from this sight if they would run promotional discounts every month. An occasional free T-shirt, free samples. Yeah when I spend a few grand on supplements or anything else for that matter in a year I like to get compted every now and again."
( this mostly comes from the retails shops where the prices are already cheaper.) That's how the sup industry has worked for a long time, I think Animal has done a great job being different but they still have certain things they have to do. It seems lately there has been more demand or complaint than anything. Again Spartan im not saying your right or wrong just some of the wording felt demanding.
Originally Posted by spartan300
That's just disappointing.
INSTAGRAM : @npcdusty
Thanks,
NPCDUSTY
Dusty Young
Jackson Tennessee ABC Coordinator
“I realized early on that success was tied to not giving up. Most people in this business gave up and went on to other things. If you simply didn’t give up, you would outlast the people who came in on the bus with you.”
Sorry you find this disappointing its just how I read some of whats been said. im not saying its all about what you said but here is kind of what im getting at:
"I'd gladly purchase my supplements from this sight if they would run promotional discounts every month. An occasional free T-shirt, free samples. Yeah when I spend a few grand on supplements or anything else for that matter in a year I like to get compted every now and again."
( this mostly comes from the retails shops where the prices are already cheaper.) That's how the sup industry has worked for a long time, I think Animal has done a great job being different but they still have certain things they have to do. It seems lately there has been more demand or complaint than anything. Again Spartan im not saying your right or wrong just some of the wording felt demanding.
Hey dusty if your goal was to not piss anyone off with that post, you failed miserably!
Well like I said, im sorry you feel disappointed in my view. And sorry you got pissed off by my view as well but it is in turn just my view. If you choose to be pissed off by it not much I can do or say. We all agree to disagree and have our own view of how something is or isn't done. if I dint feel comfortable expressing my view here then I would have given the post a few short words that could truly piss someone off. Its all in how you interpret things. No ill feelings to you or any other fellas here. We are in turn all here for the same reason, we love the company. Some just expect different things from it.
I will say this, every year I have 100+ people beg me for free stuff (more than we already give) at the Arnold because they spent 100, 200, 300 and so on. It almost becomes comical because some keep coming back through buying more stuff just to beg for more. We have a set "free with purchase" that we are allowed. I stand behind it and tell the folks im sorry but I cant do that, not one time have I had someone tell me than I don't want this purchase. Its business but as I said im sure if NG can swing something for the forum folks he will.
Now if your pissed at me go take it out on the iron, I dont keyboard fight I just speak my mind... Have a good day Spartan.
Originally Posted by spartan300
Hey dusty if your goal was to not piss anyone off with that post, you failed miserably!
INSTAGRAM : @npcdusty
Thanks,
NPCDUSTY
Dusty Young
Jackson Tennessee ABC Coordinator
“I realized early on that success was tied to not giving up. Most people in this business gave up and went on to other things. If you simply didn’t give up, you would outlast the people who came in on the bus with you.”
oh no I didn't miss that. That's why I said what I said about the Military shirts. Animal gave away 10 and only like 5 of us put in for them. No one signed up. I ever kept the post going and reminded everyone. Like I said not trying to piss on anyone but when things like that are done and no response is given, it goes elsewhere like IG because the response there is greater. I miss the days when it was that way years ago, but I think the supply and demand has changed. we still have those things just not as much, I cant say I don't blame corp though, if it was my company I prob would be focusing on the social media side because it draws in the most unfortunately for us on the forum that lessens our chances but as tried and true that doesn't really matter to me, I will still be here with no expectations. I know NG and Jdawg miss those days as well but there are more decision makers that see bigger sights than just us. Im in no way saying im right, I don't think there is a right or wrong. Just don't want the ones on here to sound demanding because it kind of does.
I understand going the direction of what sells via social media. Trust me, I'm a third generation entrepreneur and my family has multiple businesses. Business is one thing I know more about than most. You're still missing the point, but it's whatever! It's Friday =)
Originally Posted by npcdusty
Well like I said, im sorry you feel disappointed in my view. And sorry you got pissed off by my view as well but it is in turn just my view. If you choose to be pissed off by it not much I can do or say. We all agree to disagree and have our own view of how something is or isn't done. if I dint feel comfortable expressing my view here then I would have given the post a few short words that could truly piss someone off. Its all in how you interpret things. No ill feelings to you or any other fellas here. We are in turn all here for the same reason, we love the company. Some just expect different things from it.
I will say this, every year I have 100+ people beg me for free stuff (more than we already give) at the Arnold because they spent 100, 200, 300 and so on. It almost becomes comical because some keep coming back through buying more stuff just to beg for more. We have a set "free with purchase" that we are allowed. I stand behind it and tell the folks im sorry but I cant do that, not one time have I had someone tell me than I don't want this purchase. Its business but as I said im sure if NG can swing something for the forum folks he will.
Now if your pissed at me go take it out on the iron, I dont keyboard fight I just speak my mind... Have a good day Spartan.
Just give it time, social media is already fizzling out across the board with the exception of IG.
That's a false equivalency =) The Arnold is a zoo and 80-90% of the people who go there only do so to get all of the free stuff they can find (this does not include people working there, I'm referring to the general masses that are there). It's a sad and unfortunate truth.
Plenty of us still on the FORVM. I've noticed it's usually 5-15 active members (like us) and anywhere from 60-150 visitors that are looking at the various threads but don't want to comment (69 visitors right now). Just sayin =) Could be another way to get new customers and keep the loyal ones extra happy! Just a thought....juuuuuuuuust a thought.
Come on now Spartan...busting your balls a little on the age thing ( trying to make lite of the statements you made about not following Animal because Frank was gone...that statement did not sound like the Spartan I follow on here). You know that we often think a like and if you read my post clearly, you will see that I was supporting your thoughts.
Come on now Spartan...busting your balls a little on the age thing ( trying to make lite of the statements you made about not following Animal because Frank was gone...that statement did not sound like the Spartan I follow on here). You know that we often think a like and if you read my post clearly, you will see that I was supporting your thoughts.
Come on now Spartan...busting your balls a little on the age thing ( trying to make lite of the statements you made about not following Animal because Frank was gone...that statement did not sound like the Spartan I follow on here). You know that we often think a like and if you read my post clearly, you will see that I was supporting your thoughts.
If they used him up and shit him out for no good reason Bean you better believe I'd have nothing to do with anything or anybody that would agree with that bullshit! I take that kind of thing seriously! I would do the same for you, BEAST, CD, ORI, CHRIS, REX I think you get the idea where I stand on crap like that. As long as they didn't kick him to the curb I'm cool with him no longer being here!
I understand going the direction of what sells via social media. Trust me, I'm a third generation entrepreneur and my family has multiple businesses. Business is one thing I know more about than most. You're still missing the point, but it's whatever! It's Friday =)
Just give it time, social media is already fizzling out across the board with the exception of IG.
That's a false equivalency =) The Arnold is a zoo and 80-90% of the people who go there only do so to get all of the free stuff they can find (this does not include people working there, I'm referring to the general masses that are there). It's a sad and unfortunate truth.
Plenty of us still on the FORVM. I've noticed it's usually 5-15 active members (like us) and anywhere from 60-150 visitors that are looking at the various threads but don't want to comment (69 visitors right now). Just sayin =) Could be another way to get new customers and keep the loyal ones extra happy! Just a thought....juuuuuuuuust a thought.
I understand going the direction of what sells via social media. Trust me, I'm a third generation entrepreneur and my family has multiple businesses. Business is one thing I know more about than most. You're still missing the point, but it's whatever! It's Friday =)
Just give it time, social media is already fizzling out across the board with the exception of IG.
That's a false equivalency =) The Arnold is a zoo and 80-90% of the people who go there only do so to get all of the free stuff they can find (this does not include people working there, I'm referring to the general masses that are there). It's a sad and unfortunate truth.
Plenty of us still on the FORVM. I've noticed it's usually 5-15 active members (like us) and anywhere from 60-150 visitors that are looking at the various threads but don't want to comment (69 visitors right now). Just sayin =) Could be another way to get new customers and keep the loyal ones extra happy! Just a thought....juuuuuuuuust a thought.
If they used him up and shit him out for no good reason Bean you better believe I'd have nothing to do with anything or anybody that would agree with that bullshit! I take that kind of thing seriously! I would do the same for you, BEAST, CD, ORI, CHRIS, REX I think you get the idea where I stand on crap like that. As long as they didn't kick him to the curb I'm cool with him no longer being here!
I understand what you are saying and that makes perfect sense... I look at Wrath like a prize bull. he shot his loads and inspired the little bulls to grow into big bulls but eventually the loads stop coming and it is time to let him enjoy his time in the field and relaxing the way he wants to. There is no less love for that bull but you just enjoy his company now but don't expect anything from him. I always look at things like the glass is half full and I trust that people are good people until I witness it personally that they are not.
I try, I try. Common sense logic backed by years of hands on experience has given me my mindset. People may claim confirmation bias, but seeing nothing but success in a variety of areas my entire life has given me the idea that I know what I'm talking about =) Results always seems to silence the critics.
The challenge with doing heavy discounts on our own site is that we don't want to compete with our distributors (bb.com, DPS, A1supps, etc.) so promo items and/or a loyalty points system where you can earn free products makes more sense.
There are some supplement companies that offer big discounts on their sites but they are taking that discount off of full retail prices so it seems like you are getting a better deal but in reality you are paying the regular market price.
What's up Eric?
Are you talking about building up points as you buy product? I'm assuming it would only happen if you bought from The Shop.
This sort of has to do with what I said in the thread about the ABCs.
I don't necessarily need a discount. The things that I enjoyed, that made membership here valuable to me were:
1. Access to the Cage
2. Access to the National ABC
3. The Cage T-shirt that I got from 2014- 2016 because I knew ahead of time that Animal was only giving out shirts to the first 50 people from messages posted on the Forum leading up to the Arnold. When the doors opened, I made a beeline to The Cage to get my shirt that year.
Before I left, it felt like those things, that sense of belonging were being whittled away because they just didn't apply any more. I still remember standing in The Cage when we all convoyed up from Georgia to Columbus for The Cage. I was three feet away when Sam Byrd squatted 925lbs and I remember looking at the people outside The Cage, hearing people ask me to let them in and I had to say, I couldn't do anything for them. They weren't in because they didn't have the VIP passes we used to get. I still remember MAB making me clear out because she didn't realize I was a Forum member (ha ha!)
As I mentioned though, seeing Eric and Jay at events and just talking about lifting with Jay and Krav with Eric was cool. It felt like catching up with family at a reunion. Mass and I had a conversation about his parents and how they got some repairs done to their house. His home gym that he's got planned. Meanwhile, people were coming to line up to talk to him about the same stuff you could ask any bodybuilder in any line. That to me is the difference between the Forum and just following on social media.
In fact, I'd say the most outrageous thing I've ever seen given away was the giant Pak can. (I won some Animal Whey in that promo but didn't win the Can so I had to borrow one to use as a prop for our ABC fundraiser. )
Anyway, for me, while discounts are nice; I'm more interested in HOW you would earn the points NG mentioned. EliteFTS gives you points for comments on posts (not a lot of points but they do add up), you also get points if you submit an article and it's accepted. I've submitted articles twice to Corporate for the main site because I saw that Forum members have had their stuff posted on there in the past. I wasn't successful but just knowing that it was possible had value to me.So if we're going to reward behavior so we get more of it; why not reward the behavior we want more of? Namely participation in this Forum?
Why not give out a Forum only shirt to people who participate a lot?
Why not make Bean a giant T-shirt? (I just threw that last one in. Tried to help you out man!)
Are you talking about building up points as you buy product? I'm assuming it would only happen if you bought from The Shop.
Correct, you would earn points based on what you buy and later turn them in for free product or swag. Also correct we would only be able to run this if you bought directly on AnimalPak.com
We here you GunRock. The "Box" in the The Cage was a cool concept. I believe we took it out to make more room for the lifting events as the athletes said it was getting tight in there. We try different concepts, we had the bleachers one year, etc.
Let's see what we come up with for this year, we may do VIP badges again, perhaps that is something we can hook you loyal FORVM guys up with.
Correct, you would earn points based on what you buy and later turn them in for free product or swag. Also correct we would only be able to run this if you bought directly on AnimalPak.com
That would be fantasic if y'alls prices matched a retailer's like BB.com for example. Ordering from the shop you don't get a whole lot of support if something is incorrect. I ordered two Animal Shaker cups and only received one. Tried calling and emailing multiple times and only spoke to an actual person just once. It's no big deal, but that DEFINITELY isn't good for business if y'all are wanting to sell more from Animalpak.com.
Originally Posted by naturalguy
We here you GunRock. The "Box" in the The Cage was a cool concept. I believe we took it out to make more room for the lifting events as the athletes said it was getting tight in there. We try different concepts, we had the bleachers one year, etc.
Let's see what we come up with for this year, we may do VIP badges again, perhaps that is something we can hook you loyal FORVM guys up with.
Y'all did VIP badges back in 2013 when I went to the Arnold. Was BADASS! I really enjoyed that, made me feel special like I was part of the family.